The BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL - PASSED THE HOUSE

[thetragichippy]

1 hour ago, CardinalBacker said:

No offense, but needing the VP to tie break the Senate’s 50-50 deadlock isn’t a mandate. 

None taken, but Trump campaigned on everything in the bill.

 

[CardinalBacker]

1 hour ago, baddog said:

I paid it in for those ahead of me. The government is the best for distribution, since they are already so far up our keisters, monitoring our bank accounts and what we purchase. Thanks to those hard workers behind me helping me through what remains of my time here on earth. It really works well if there is no fraud and abuse.

I hear you, and I think that my opinion might change if I were closer to retirement. But the sad truth is that the money that you paid in was wasted. It’s not there anymore. 
 

The boomer mentality of “as long as I get mine, I couldn’t care less about what happens to those behind me” is appalling. It’s like those people who are like “but if I got a job, I’d lose my Medicaid.” The Social contract with America has destroyed the American ideas. 

[Big girl]

What happens when a person who loses their Medicaid coverage gets sick. They will go the the ER, and the extra costs will be handed down to people who have insurance

[LumRaiderFan]

7 hours ago, CardinalBacker said:

I hear you, and I think that my opinion might change if I were closer to retirement. But the sad truth is that the money that you paid in was wasted. It’s not there anymore. 
 

The boomer mentality of “as long as I get mine, I couldn’t care less about what happens to those behind me” is appalling. It’s like those people who are like “but if I got a job, I’d lose my Medicaid.” The Social contract with America has destroyed the American ideas. 

Flat out lie, the money is there.

[LumRaiderFan]

7 hours ago, Big girl said:

What happens when a person who loses their Medicaid coverage gets sick. They will go the the ER, and the extra costs will be handed down to people who have insurance

Sad that you come from the world of total dependence on the federal government and have no clue what paying your own way and not burdening others with your problems even means.

By the way, deadbeat ER charges have always been passed down to those with insurance, smh.

[DCT]

20 hours ago, thetragichippy said:

None taken, but Trump campaigned on everything in the bill.

 

Plenty wasteful spending in this bad bill.

[Big girl]

12 hours ago, LumRaiderFan said:

Sad that you come from the world of total dependence on the federal government and have no clue what paying your own way and not burdening others with your problems even means.

By the way, deadbeat ER charges have always been passed down to those with insurance, smh.

So what is the point of kicking people off of Medicaid. It is only going to get worse

 

[DCT]

On 7/4/2025 at 9:31 AM, baddog said:

Are you able to view the military flyovers in S.C.?

No I worked in Jefferson SC. For the 4th.  

Big fireworks display and biggest turnout for that part of the State.  10,000 in attendance.  Town is not even that big.

[DCT]

On 7/4/2025 at 9:31 AM, baddog said:

Are you able to view the military flyovers in 

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[DCT]

46 minutes ago, DCT said:

Plenty wasteful spending in this bad bill.

Prayers and thoughts go out to Texas.  FEMA is still in place for the time being is that correct?  

My concern is I believe the Atlantic Coast and the Gulf Coast have the potential to be very active.  What will happen to those who may loose everything do to a major storm?  There is nothing in the bill to address those concerns.

[baddog]

22 minutes ago, DCT said:

Prayers and thoughts go out to Texas.  FEMA is still in place for the time being is that correct?  

My concern is I believe the Atlantic Coast and the Gulf Coast have the potential to be very active.  What will happen to those who may loose everything do to a major storm?  There is nothing in the bill to address those concerns.

Thank you. Right now they need rescue equipment and personnel. The Guadalupe river rose 30’ in under 1 hour and it is still raining. Moving slowly over Austin area which is still “hill country” and known for flash flooding. Need boats and helicopters…..and more prayers.

[baddog]

33 minutes ago, DCT said:

Prayers and thoughts go out to Texas.  FEMA is still in place for the time being is that correct?  

My concern is I believe the Atlantic Coast and the Gulf Coast have the potential to be very active.  What will happen to those who may loose everything do to a major storm?  There is nothing in the bill to address those concerns.

 

[LumRaiderFan]

2 hours ago, Big girl said:

So what is the point of kicking people off of Medicaid. It is only going to get worse

 

Kicking illegals off.

[OlDawg]

2 hours ago, LumRaiderFan said:

Kicking illegals off.

Would have been good. But, didn’t accomplish it. 14 states plus D.C. offer Medicaid to illegal immigrants. All of them are Democratically led States. The Senate Parliamentarian stopped the Bill from not paying for any because of procedural issues. All the Bill was able to do was to cut Fed matching from .90 of every dollar to .50 of every dollar for uninsured ER visits. (So, taxpayers in Texas will still be paying for medical care for illegals in CA and 13 other states.) Thus, one of the major reasons the Bill costs more than originally planned. That, plus some last minute pork they always find a way to slide in. Dems or Reps. Both do it.

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[OlDawg]

Some items the Senate Parliamentarian shot down. Were going to be cost saving offsets. But, she thought they violated the Byrd Rule. (There were a lot more. But, this article had $$$ attached and the other varied articles didn’t.)

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I bet these rules are some of what Musk doesn’t understand, and leads to his frustration. Can’t say I blame him. To avoid the Byrd Rule, must have 60 votes. Don’t see that happening anytime in the near future.
 

[OlDawg]

Better believe Dems will harp on people losing healthcare while never mentioning that 14 of Dem led States can still provide insurance of some level to illegal migrants, and we all pay for it because of the Senate Parliamentarian.

That part will never come up.

[Reagan]

29 minutes ago, OlDawg said:

Some items the Senate Parliamentarian shot down. Were going to be cost saving offsets. But, she thought they violated the Byrd Rule. (There were a lot more. But, this article had $$$ attached and the other varied articles didn’t.)

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I bet these rules are some of what Musk doesn’t understand, and leads to his frustration. Can’t say I blame him. To avoid the Byrd Rule, must have 60 votes. Don’t see that happening anytime in the near future.
 

I doubt the Parliamentarian is constitutional.  We need answers on this!

[OlDawg]

44 minutes ago, Reagan said:

I doubt the Parliamentarian is constitutional.  We need answers on this!

Parliamentarian rules aren’t binding. The position was created because Senators spent more time arguing procedure than policy. It’s an advisory position created in 1935. Supposedly non-partisan. But, the current Parliamentarian was appointed by Harry Reid in 2012. Parliamentarians can be fired at the whim of the Senate Majority Leader. Some called for her firing over some of these rules. But, they backed off for some reason.

If Musk is so frustrated he wants to start his own Party—which is nigh impossible because of rules created by Dems & Reps (the UniParty I think he calls them)—he’d be better off funding the Libertarian Party. His thoughts seem to align with them the best anyway, and they already have ballot access & Party structure set up. A few more Rand Pauls wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing in my mind. Make the 2 major Parties have to form a consensus with a third Party. Pretty sure some of the fiscal conservative Reps could be convinced to join as well. Wouldn’t take many. Eleven total would probably do it in the Senate. Just where neither side could get 50.

[CardinalBacker]

2 hours ago, OlDawg said:

Parliamentarian rules aren’t binding. The position was created because Senators spent more time arguing procedure than policy. It’s an advisory position created in 1935. Supposedly non-partisan. But, the current Parliamentarian was appointed by Harry Reid in 2012. Parliamentarians can be fired at the whim of the Senate Majority Leader. Some called for her firing over some of these rules. But, they backed off for some reason.

If Musk is so frustrated he wants to start his own Party—which is nigh impossible because of rules created by Dems & Reps (the UniParty I think he calls them)—he’d be better off funding the Libertarian Party. His thoughts seem to align with them the best anyway, and they already have ballot access & Party structure set up. A few more Rand Pauls wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing in my mind. Make the 2 major Parties have to form a consensus with a third Party. Pretty sure some of the fiscal conservative Reps could be convinced to join as well. Wouldn’t take many. Eleven total would probably do it in the Senate. Just where neither side could get 50.

No offense, but the Simpletons are gonna vote for whoever Trump tells them to. 
 

 

[CardinalBacker]

21 hours ago, LumRaiderFan said:

Flat out lie, the money is there.

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Yeah… better hope you’ve checked out by 2033 or expect to see those benefits automatically cut by 23%. We’re running a deficit on SS spending since 2021. The trust fund runs out and then cuts happen. 

Why not take 5% cut now that enables more people to draw for longer?

[DCT]

7 hours ago, baddog said:

 

Wow! Prayers coming your way.

[OlDawg]

1 hour ago, DCT said:

Wow! Prayers coming your way.

43 deceased is the current count. 28 adults & 15 children. At least 27 more missing (girls at Christian camp) with an unknown number of others that may have been there for the 4th long weekend.

Saying Guadalupe River rose 26 feet in 45 minutes.