tvc184

[quote name="scooter!" post="828385" timestamp="1282362694"] what's the top 3 things your team (or teams) need to do to reach state? [/quote] Vastly improve the offense, vastly improve the defense, get lucky.

I'm not always real good in math but I am fairly certain that if P4E was correct 77% of the time, that leaves 23% of the time wrong. Who can tell these days though?

[quote name="bigdog" post="827618" timestamp="1282269893"] 8 completions  for 170 yds?  Must be throwing some bombs. [/quote] Vidor just didn't know they were supposed to practice defending the pass against WO-S. No one told them that Hooks might throw the ball...............

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="827505" timestamp="1282258917"] Silsbee 9th    4 LCM 9th        1 [/quote] Top of the 9th? Who is in pitching for LCM?

Come on Vidor, win that ............. practice.

I will take your thoughts into consideration however I had PNG in mind when I made the statement.  :D

But that's assuming he brings 30 gallons of Blue Bell.

I believe that is what the link is for.

[quote name="PNG Proud" post="826505" timestamp="1282083281"] No Can Do!  I've got a big game in San Antonio to go to!   ;D [/quote] Who can be bigger than offshore fishing?

I am almost surely cancelled out on those days. I work weekends but I have commitments on both of those weekends anyway so a vacation day won't help. I think that I still have 3 weeks of vacation left but those weekends are booked. I know 9-11 is locked up as I usually run my honor guard on a 21 gun salute for the 9-11 memorial. How far do you run out of Freeport? I except it may be less than out of Galveston and sure closer than Sabine Pass. I know when I fished out of Aransas Pass oh so many years ago, it was a lot shorter run to the deep water. I've never fished out of Freeport.

Sounds like food......

Not a bad idea.

Lot of good eating in that story.

It's 4.5A Sportswood.

I don't get too excited about "winning" a practice no matter who it is against. I don't get worried about "losing" one either.

[quote name="Roughrider" post="825513" timestamp="1281831404"] Nederlands defensive front were just plain ridiculous. They dominated the line of scrimmage in a huge way. The Nederland defense is as good as its been in a while. [size=10pt][b]This aint your brothers Nederland Bulldog Defense.[/b][/size] [/quote] If they held any single run to less than 5 yards, it is an improvement over recent defenses.

[quote name="KFDM COOP" post="825467" timestamp="1281824824"] They beat 5A FB Marshall, they scrimmage Dayton next week. [/quote] If you call outscoring someone in a scrimmage beating them.

[quote name="biaplayer" post="825444" timestamp="1281822237"] Sounds like to me Silsbee needs a QB?????? two scores to nothing i wouldnt call dominating sounds like the tigers are headed for a losing season [/quote] Yep. If they can't outscore Kirbyville in a scrimmage, the season is over.

I really can't imagine very many people around here wanting an area wide stadium or complex. Home field is home field and a nice pressbox or new turf won't change that.

Yep, been there, seen that. I could tell you similar stories and they aren't rumors because I was the one putting on handcuffs. Sometimes the cover ups go deeper than you may think.

[quote name="bullets13000" post="823506" timestamp="1281156893"] "arrest" and "conviction" are two different things.  if i'm arrested, but proven innocent, or at least not prosecuted, i shouldn't be punished outside of the law considering i wasn't even punished BY the law. [/quote] I agree if the charges are dropped or you are found not guilty.

[quote name="PN-G bandkid" post="823439" timestamp="1281129448"] [quote author=tvc184 link=topic=71445.msg823345#msg823345 date=1281104580] They should all be the same no matter that activity. I am not sure about the being held to a "higher standard" though. They should just live to the standard of other students, not higher. The standard for society and students should be that you aren't out breaking the law by robbing the local store, selling dope, etc. If other students need to be to class on time, UIL participants should not be made to be there 10 minutes early. No need for the "higher standard", just "the standard". [/quote] I disagree. Extra-curricular activities require a huge amount of time and dedication. Band, football, volleyball, drill team, and cheerleader practice all start 2-4 weeks before the first day of school. UIL Academics groups and other sports teams all have regularly scheduled practices before and after school. Sponsors and students alike don't like putting in all that work just to be embarrassed by one person. Besides that, these students represent the school and ultimately the community behind it. I don't know how things work at other schools, but at PN-G, that is taken VERY seriously. I have seen students sent home from UIL meets for being five to ten minutes late and band members run ten or more laps for things that most people would consider miniscule. It's simple. If you put on the uniform, you live by a higher code. If you choose not to live up to those standards, you will be disciplined and possibly cut from the program. Now obviously, small things like a speeding ticket aren't going to get you into trouble with the school, but I wouldn't get into too much trouble beyond that. [/quote] Maybe we are saying the same thing in a different way but I don't call that being held to a higher code. That is just the rules of the organization. Obviously a non-athlete doesn't have to be to football practice early as he is not playing. If a football player violates that rule, it is an organization rule violation. A "higher standard" is when you do something that is not a rule of the school or organization but of life in general. It is like maybe having a teacher fired for having an extra-marital affair and it going public and embarrassing the school. It is not illegal and it doesn't really have anything to do with the school per se. That is being held to a higher standard. A teacher that is fired for not showing up for work on time is not being held to any different standard than any other worker and is simply violating a school rule. If a student showed up 10 minutes before a meet and is removed, that was punishment for a team rule. That would be like a football coach telling me to go run some bleachers and I tell him to take a hike. That is not a higher standard but a team rule that I will do what the coach says as long as it is not illegal. A higher standard is not involved or at least not the way I look at a higher standard. As a police officer I can be fired for things that are not specifically against our policies, that are not illegal and not immoral. THAT is being held to a higher standard. If I break a known rule, that is just breaking a rule. I think the "higher standard" phrase is sometimes tossed around for a feeling of importance and maybe a way to gain compliance. We athletes or UIL competitors are different because we are held to a higher standard. So is it really a different standard or just team rules?

[quote name="Tigers9" post="823435" timestamp="1281127208"] .................................I dont have issues with the cheerleader being removed (it was the rule)[size=10pt][b] just cant figure out how the ISD allows the football players to play with arrest records, or why the AD should allow it either![/b][/size] By the way, these issues have been taken up with reps from the ISD, basically I was told the Cheerleaders have a constitution and athletics does not! So the next step would be? Public forum (with names and paperwork to prove it) Local paper....how do you stop this double standard? [/quote] Arrested for what though? You can almost literally be arrested for anything in Texas. If you are picking up your mail early one morning and have to cross the street and there is no traffic but a cop sees you jaywalking, he can arrest you and bring you to the county jail. So you have an arrest record and for what? Jaywalking. As far as group rules or constitutions, I guess to some extent, each can make his/her own rules. if the head coach for the girl's volleyball team has a rule and the girls know it, then that is a rule. Does the football team have to follow the same rules? I don't think so. I also think that each head coach can issue punishment as he/she sees fit for that team. I do think that the district needs a blanket code of conduct for UIL sanctioned events/teams however and those should not be deviated from. Get caught with illegal drugs for example and you need to lose you UIL eligibilty for at least that year. Get arrested for a felony and the same results. I think the UIL needs to have some basic rules of eligibility and conduct that is some cases takes the school out of it. Just like no pass-no play is a UIL rule, not an individual school district rule. If you can remove them from competing for grades, I don't see how or why you couldn't for drugs or felonies.

[quote name="Tigers9" post="823417" timestamp="1281122953"] [quote author=thetragichippy link=topic=71445.msg823372#msg823372 date=1281112301] [quote author=tvc184 link=topic=71445.msg823367#msg823367 date=1281111110] [quote author=Tigers9 link=topic=71445.msg823365#msg823365 date=1281110734] I understand and agree with your description of "higher standard" I guess my point was more along the lines of....the school still has an obligation to provide an education to you even if you are out robbing stores or selling dope, after the law has released you back to the public.[size=10pt][b] If a kid has proven to be a "robber" or a "dope seller" should they be allowed to participate in extraciricular activities?[/b][/size][/quote] [b]No.[/b] [/quote] HAIL NO! [/quote] Obviously I have specifics, just trying to make sure I'm not the one reaching with my belief! So to clarify your opinions a little more. If a kid is arrested for theft, or passession of drugs, gone to jail for truancy, they should not be allowed to participate........period! There should not be a form of punishment by the coaches, then allowed to play in ANY of these examples....correct? [/quote] Truancy is a school issue like acting up in class or a discipline problem. That should be up to the school and the coach. While it is true that you can be arrested for truancy, you can also be arrested for disrupting the classroom or failing to signal a turn while driving to school. In fact, every citation issued by an officer is an arrest but you are released on your own recognizance. I don't think kids should lose UIL privileges for citations. Those are not serious issues and are between the schools and coaches. I was talking about (and thought that I said) robberies, selling drugs, using drugs and other serious crimes. If you are selling dope, you should not be allowed the privilege to play sports or UIL sponsored events. If you are committing armed robberies... same answer. Breaking into homes? See Ya!

[quote name="Tigers9" post="823365" timestamp="1281110734"] I understand and agree with your description of "higher standard" I guess my point was more along the lines of....the school still has an obligation to provide an education to you even if you are out robbing stores or selling dope, after the law has released you back to the public.[size=10pt][b] If a kid has proven to be a "robber" or a "dope seller" should they be allowed to participate in extraciricular activities?[/b][/size][/quote] No.