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14 minutes ago, TrojanWarrior08 said:

Well this looks like an unpopular hire within our community.  The whole town is upset about this hire per Facebook.

Think he did a good job at Colmesneil if I'm not mistaking 

2 minutes ago, 89Falcon said:

Will be interesting to see if WV under the new leadership can win the District. Have not accomplished that very often in school history.

Newton's loaded. It'll be tough to beat them regardless of who's coaching 

12 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

Curious, who did you have in mind to be the new AD/HC out of the applicant list?

If not out of the list, then who were you wanting? Realistically

Didn't really have anybody in particular in mind because I didn't know who was available. Was hoping the people in charge could skim through the list and select a legit candidate. Was made to believe Neece from Anahuac may or may not have been available. I probably would rather have Neece over Clawson but we have what we have now and I'll just hope for the best. Hopefully I'm wrong 

1 hour ago, Matthew328 said:

Elgin didn't have a winning season from 2015-2020...Clawson takes over 2021...they bottom out year one 0-10...next year 7-4 in 2022...area playoffs in 2024 gotta give him some credit for turning Elgin around

I noticed that. He had 2 winning seasons durring his 4 year stay. Could be a good sign or it could be him landing there at the right time. Also noticed they gave up 30 plus 7 times last year. 60 plus 4 times. We may have given up 30 plus 7 or 8 times the last 4 or 5 years. Can't remember the last time we gave up 60 and don't want to start that now. That being said I think it would probably be best to leave that DC where he found him. I've looked at some clips from Elgin's offense last year and liked some of the things I saw. I think we could have some success if we could manage to get a good DC

33 minutes ago, HarryDoyle said:

One of 20 assistants at Aledo is probably better than being the head coach at a majority of 3A schools

Aye, may be better to be a ball boy also in that case 

24 minutes ago, oldeagle said:

Setx fan, I removed an earlier message because I thought better of it but you keep downing the Coach.

You have not met him, talked to him, discussed a scheme, been to an Elgin game, know who he will bring with him.  How do you know so much more than anyone else?  If you know so much put yourself in a position to make a decision.  Board signups start in July.

Why are you so negative on him.

Note: no one is leaving Woodville to follow the old Coach.

Not downing him, just being honest. Doesn't look like a great hire based on what I can see so far. He's 26-51 as a head coach. Has 2 rings as an assistant at Aledo but you can only give him so much credit for winning a ring a an assistant. I'd give him more credit for that if he was at least a coordinator. Did seem to show a little improvement as a HC after his couple years at Aledo but there's not enough proof for me to be sure of that. He had winning seasons 2 of 4 years at Elgin. Don't know how much of that was due to coaching or just talent coming and going at Elgin. We'll see how it goes. I'm definitely hoping for the best though 

2 hours ago, 89Falcon said:

“Winning wise” it is a step up from Elgin to WV for a single season. It is a massive step down from Aledo.
 

Also, there are many coaches who would rather make 6A money vs 3A money. 

He was one of 20 assistants at Aledo 

6 minutes ago, 89Falcon said:

With the HC being an offensive guy he could very likely bring his own OC. I would say that is the norm and not the exception in these situations. Coordinators usually come and go with regime changes. 

Understood but I'm hoping this time is the exception at least for now. Just not real comfortable with a 26-51 guy coming in not knowing much about our kids and completely doing his own thing without someone who's been here a while to help him along. And him being an offensive guy makes it even more important that we get a really good DC

5 minutes ago, 89Falcon said:

At least it is HC that has been a part of the offensive staff on State Championship teams. He should be able to help with his experience with championship offenses. Probably has good connections to get some quality offensive coaches. 

That's great if he does but we need a solid DC also since our DC went to Lufkin I believe. We have a OC who knows our kids. Don't want to lose all the people who allready have relationships and a good guage on our kids abilities 

5 minutes ago, 89Falcon said:

Maybe we can locate a “High School Football Coach Search Firm” ranking agency and see what data they may have on the search firm.
 

At least we can rest assured that the school board made the decision about who to hire. 

Yea, and it was a questionable decision

5 minutes ago, 89Falcon said:

That is how search firms work. Businesses or boards pay the search firm to find candidates. They typically do not hire a search firm and then do the search themselves. 

Which brings us back to my original question 

9 minutes ago, 89Falcon said:

Did the search firm make the hire? Or was it the school board?

Final decision came down to the school board I believe but I hear they let the firm do most of the work 

31 minutes ago, TC2020 said:

You never know who applied and how interviews went.  Whispers here were that the firm was underwhelmed be the applications received.  

I'd be interested in knowing what kind of hires this firm has gotten for other programs in the past. Is the firm known to get good hires or were the school leaders being lazy and willing to let anybody handle it long as it didn't have to be them? 

37 minutes ago, 2wedge said:

Not sure what to think of this hire. I know Elgin has been fairly successful under Clawson, but honestly it feels a bit underwhelming for a state finalist program returning a bunch for another run. Could be wrong though. 

Same thoughts here. 7 years experience as head coach. Three years at Louise and 4 at Elgin. Very unimpressive 26-51 record. Did seem to be a little improvement at Elgin after going 0-10 his first year there though. Has 2 state championships as an assistant at Aledo. We'll see how it turns out but I probably would have kept it inside if there weren't any better options 

6 minutes ago, lionpride08 said:

Better listen to the OC? Who is to say he won't bring in his own OC. BTW you can win a state championship without throwing the ball. Good luck to this coach he will have his hands full with this community.

Hope he brings in a really good DC. Looks like his teams are known to give up hella points 

1 hour ago, AggiesAreWe said:

Wasn't just about money but that had a huge factor.

 

I think they're really comfortable in WW. Money might be one factor but there are plenty other advantages to staying in WW as well. 

12 minutes ago, Tiger33 said:

I never said Silsbee wouldn’t be beat. I mean to be honest we would have a senior QB that would probably fight for the job. Either way both kids would be on the field in someway. But we dont even know if his Daddy got the job.  

That wasn't for you. It was for the groupie who claims nobody in the district will be able to compete for the next 4 years. And that's based on the little brother who will be a freshman next year 

1 hour ago, 89Falcon said:

Understood, you "know its there but cant find it" and "what you did find is opposite of what you are saying". FYI: 247 Sports has Bryant currently ranked as the #3 QB in the Nation and #1 in Texas.  

That's really good for him to be nationally ranked in his class. A lot of kids are ranked in different rankings at one point or another. Still wasn't the best qb in the district that year like you claimed and it still doesn't guarantee nobody will come close to beating Silsbee for the next 4 years. But I understand groupies are really impressed by those type of things 👍 

4 hours ago, 89Falcon said:

LOL. Just like with Kavian, see if it comes to pass and check back. Also, don’t make up things that I didn’t say like you have done in this thread. 

I haven't made nothing up. Just haven't had time to pull up all the things you were saying. 

1 hour ago, Matthew328 said:

Those are fair points, but the flip side of that is he's going to be more physically mature as he goes from being a sophomore to a junior and he'd have a much better supporting cast at Silsbee if he indeed left...you have to take that into account too..I've seen the kid in person and he's an elite talent...there's a reason he's got the offers he does for football, because he's got every tool in the belt

I've had a good look at hom also and nothing you stated is really wrong. Just go look at Falcons comments on the first page and you'll see what I have a problem with. He made an assumption regarding the next 4 years based on a kid who hasn't played high school ball yet. There's too many respectable programs in the district for that foolishness 

13 minutes ago, SmashMouth said:

That's going to be an odd exception. Nobody long term has stepped in and looked like Tom Brady... C'mon now.

Doesn't happen all the time but it happens. Just depends on the makeup of the team and the level of competition 

43 minutes ago, SmashMouth said:

While that's true to a point, there are other factors to consider. I've seen very successful HS football teams lose a QB during the season (just one guy), and it tanked their season. And that wasn't even an "elite" QB...

That probably depends on the level of competition your playing against and how bad your backup is. I remember Tom Brady got injured and a guy I don't even remember stepped in and looked just like Tom Brady. 

37 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

your nose tackle is one guy. a linebacker is one guy. your average wide receiver is one guy. but an elite dual threat qb is the "one guy" who can literally take over a game by himself, assuming he has a halfway decent line in front of him. he was worth about 7 extra wins a year for WW. What would he do for a silsbee team that went 3-4 rounds deep the last 3 

As a guy who pays close attention to 3A football in the area you might not believe me when I tell you this but his freshman year WW would have probably had simular results without him. They returned a lot from a playoff team including a senior qb who was pretty good. They MAY have added one or 2 extra football wins at the most because of Bryant. They lost a lot of guys this past season so the wins were largely because of him but partially because of the D1 RB they went and grabbed from across town also. And you have to take in account there will likely be a step up in competition at Silsbee. 

15 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

I agree, except for at the QB position, and WW and Silsbee are two different animals. WW football hadn't had a winning football record in a decade before they showed up. Silsbee goes 3-4 rounds deep most years. Silsbee had a really good qb the last few years. But give them a potential all-american with the talent and athleticism they're already lining up, they have the chance to do something they've never done before. Whereas you put another great basketball player on a team that usually has a bunch of great basketball players, and hey, they're doing what they normally do, but a little better.

QB position is the most important position and can effect the game a lot especially if it's a dual threat QB. But it's still just one guy. And accolades aren't doing anything for you once that whistle blows 

4 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

I understand. And the reason I said what I said is that the basketball team makes it to state all the time. Their odds will greatly increase to go back next year if the Bryants show up, but they have a shot regardless almost year in and year out. Conversely, if you take a football team that has never won state, but has gone 34-6 and won 7 playoff games over the last 3 seasons, and bring in a QB who some talk about as being the best dual-threat qb IN THE COUNTRY for his class... I just tend to think the football team might benefit even more than the basketball team.

Football is an 11 man sport. Basketball is a 5 man sport. 1 or 2 guys will make a lot bigger difference in basketball than it will in football. That's why WW won more playoff games in basketball than football with Bryant.