CraigS

Kinda like we are staying out of enforcing immigration laws in THIS country. However, I do agree with you on "staying out of"....so you (you people) and your kids can fund the "needy" and maybe they can unload those buses full of ILLEGALS at YOUR home....I find that the sympathetic and compassionate are only so in political speech....
 
Alot of the very people you accuse, or say "you go" have done exactly that, ask how many Vets are in this forum that have given extra of themselves....on the other hand....ask how many of you "computer screen liberals" have donated extra tax money, or housed any of the poor little ILLEGAL children showing your TRUE compassion....YOU PEOPLE talk the talk, but will not walk it.
 
To be clear so you can understand....
 
I will stand by MY words as would ANY conservative -
 
I would surely STOP paying taxes that assist in welfare....will YOU pay more to assist it?
 
I would gladly drive the truck to dump the illegals back across the border...will YOU house them?

Locally - West Texas BBQ  between Silsbee and Evadale is pretty dang good

I'll answer for them. They don't hate the country as it was designed, rather than what it has become and IS becoming due to the ever so STUPID ASS white president and his ANTI AMERICAN policies. Now had we elected a BLACK man such as Herman Cain maybe we wouldn't even have that to hate on....

Ok....so according to this article and some I have read, he will be sending 275 personnel to add to the 100-200 already there.
 
What is that going to do?  I think we had more than 300 in my senior class.
 
They have an ARMY.....with this stuff
 
"Security officials said the Islamic State fighters managed to take control of two weapons depots holding 400,000 items, including AK-47 rifles, rockets and rocket-propelled grenades, artillery shells and mortars. A quarter of the stockpiles were sent to Syria, they said."
 
He needs to man up to his mistake and send some troops in to take care of this.

Bomb the hell out of them!

Yes, we are. He is THE dumbest white man I know.

I usually don't resort to calling names....but you are just flat out stupid!
 
In most of these debates, I can at least see the point of the "other side" whether I agree or not....but YOU...just eat up with DA!

Kinda like we are staying out of enforcing immigration laws in THIS country. However, I do agree with you on "staying out of"....so you (you people) and your kids can fund the "needy" and maybe they can unload those buses full of ILLEGALS at YOUR home....I find that the sympathetic and compassionate are only so in political speech....
 
Alot of the very people you accuse, or say "you go" have done exactly that, ask how many Vets are in this forum that have given extra of themselves....on the other hand....ask how many of you "computer screen liberals" have donated extra tax money, or housed any of the poor little ILLEGAL children showing your TRUE compassion....YOU PEOPLE talk the talk, but will not walk it.
 
To be clear so you can understand....
 
I will stand by MY words as would ANY conservative -
 
I would surely STOP paying taxes that assist in welfare....will YOU pay more to assist it?
 
I would gladly drive the truck to dump the illegals back across the border...will YOU house them?

Kinda like we are staying out of enforcing immigration laws in THIS country. However, I do agree with you on "staying out of"....so you (you people) and your kids can fund the "needy" and maybe they can unload those buses full of ILLEGALS at YOUR home....I find that the sympathetic and compassionate are only so in political speech....
 
Alot of the very people you accuse, or say "you go" have done exactly that, ask how many Vets are in this forum that have given extra of themselves....on the other hand....ask how many of you "computer screen liberals" have donated extra tax money, or housed any of the poor little ILLEGAL children showing your TRUE compassion....YOU PEOPLE talk the talk, but will not walk it.
 
To be clear so you can understand....
 
I will stand by MY words as would ANY conservative -
 
I would surely STOP paying taxes that assist in welfare....will YOU pay more to assist it?
 
I would gladly drive the truck to dump the illegals back across the border...will YOU house them?

I just said the same thing in another thread, there are exception for sure, even good people rising above the fact they come from terrible families.
 
I have a friend that is one of the best people and an exceptional father, in spite of the fact both parents were drug abusers and alcoholics, his 2 brothers on the other hand didn't fall far from the tree.

My wife is a first grade teacher. For the most part, they know who will be contributors to society by that time, by the participation and care given by the parents of each student. Is it 100%, probably not, but I'd be a very wealthy person just betting on the odds. 
 
Children are the most innocent and precious commodity of any institution, what they become will define our society, our family, etc. Sure, there are a lot of peer pressures that can turn a well raised child against their teachings, likewise turn a less fortunate to overcome. However, those are the exceptions.
 
As far as the "Education System", it is my opinion that if any child in any particular "system" can come away with a quality education, then they all can. If not it is NOT the fault of the system....not to mention. you get out of something what you put into it...no amount of money or legislation will FIX that...that's on the parents...starting with the value they put into their families success, and that is determined by the morals in which they instill............

My wife is a first grade teacher. For the most part, they know who will be contributors to society by that time, by the participation and care given by the parents of each student. Is it 100%, probably not, but I'd be a very wealthy person just betting on the odds. 
 
Children are the most innocent and precious commodity of any institution, what they become will define our society, our family, etc. Sure, there are a lot of peer pressures that can turn a well raised child against their teachings, likewise turn a less fortunate to overcome. However, those are the exceptions.
 
As far as the "Education System", it is my opinion that if any child in any particular "system" can come away with a quality education, then they all can. If not it is NOT the fault of the system....not to mention. you get out of something what you put into it...no amount of money or legislation will FIX that...that's on the parents...starting with the value they put into their families success, and that is determined by the morals in which they instill............

I just said the same thing in another thread, there are exception for sure, even good people rising above the fact they come from terrible families.
 
I have a friend that is one of the best people and an exceptional father, in spite of the fact both parents were drug abusers and alcoholics, his 2 brothers on the other hand didn't fall far from the tree.

All of this has been a great read. Interesting perspectives from BOTH sides. However, you are BOTH over complicating the whole matter. I often hear the statement don't treat the symptoms, cure the problem.
 
The only, and I  repeat, the ONLY problem this country has is the breakdown of family and moral values.
 
All else is a self fix when these two become priority....
 
oh, and I barely graduated HS (athlete, didn't have to do much) went to 3 different colleges (2 for baseball) before finally getting my associate degree. But none of that seemed to have any bearing on my financial or life success once I got my priorities in order and put FAITH and FAMILY at the top of my list....

Apparently even aTm had a quota to meet in "giving" degrees...must be that fairness stuff....

I'm glad these things are recognized. However, I have a few questions.
 
1) Why isn't ALL the efforts of this country put on fixing the broken family structure, rather than blaming others and/or rewarding it? 
 
2) Then with what sounds like resentment from the black community about the suppression, torture, persecution, lynchings, etc from the white man in the USA, has it ever crossed your mind to HATE on your African Ancestors? The black slaves wouldn't have been in those situations had their fathers and grandfathers not sold them? 
 
I will debate race with you any time any place? But to do so, I will require a discussion where the words, you, they, y'all, YOU PEOPLE can NOT be used. Speak only of the issues of our OWN race, where we are NOW, and what can be done by our OWN people to fix or at least better current relations..........so, I challenge you to invite me out for dinner and a beer...I'm buying!
 
ps...invite all your friends on this board to join us, I'd welcome them.

I never owned a slave my ancestors never owned slaves I come from dirt poor farmers, I went to high school with many black students whos fathers worked at the plants with my father and they had the same teachers I had in school so with all that said I can say with confidence that I owe no one anything for my part in the slavery chapter of our nation! Hate it happened but I cant change that! Sure there is still racism and always will be on both sides but I  always try to treat others  the way they treat me.

1. None of my family was here till after the Civil War, so I don't want to here about how I should feel guilty because of slavery.
2. The Democrat Party is the party of the Ku Klux Clan, and Abraham Lincoln (who freed the slaves) was a Republican, so don't tell me how the republicans have oppressed your people.
3. My entire family is German and all of my great-grandparents and grandparents faced beatings, bigotry, and hate for their ancestry during WWII, and it was forbidden for them to speak German or they would be attacked.
4. If you look back through the history of the world, every culture, race, or group of people has been oppressed by another group at some point.
5. The current president and his cabinet and administration has flat out lied and deceived the American people of all races. The Caucasian democrats along with every other race and nationality in congress currently have helped to destroy the freedoms that were granted to the people of this country by "our creator". Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are being destroyed so that we can live in the way they consider someone should live. They know better than we do, so they should tell us what to eat, what to drive, and what we can and cannot do.
6. Most republicans fit in with number 5 above. They are just as guilty of destroying our country as anyone.
7. President Obama ( white, black, brown, green, or other), has done very little good and very much to destroy our country in the way I mentioned above. I disagree with the majority of his policies, the things he has pushed for, and his beliefs of what governments function is.
8. I did not vote for him either time, I also did not vote for Romney or mcCain.
9. I am not racist, I just think he has done a great job doing what he said he would do, "fundamentally change" our country. For that I hate him. Even though the United States was not perfect and never has been, what other country has the number of immigrants trying to come there? They are coming for a reason. We were doing things better than anyone else. What do we want to change it to be like? We had the best country in the world, and his stated goal is to change it. Why? Because the majority of Americans have gotten lazy and spoiled and he knew that promising them more free stuff and that it is someone else's fault that they don't have the same lifestyle that the people we see on TV have, that we would vote for him so we could get those things without having to actually earn them. Sadly, he is right, and he won, so even though he is asking us to give up control of our lives and trying to bring our country down to the level of the 3rd world countries, we will gladly sit and beg for scraps, still hoping Donald Trump or Bill Gates stuff will be ours soon.

In a lot of cases, the cry of racism is intended to silence opposition of whatever point is being discussed.  I am troubled enough by that and will not be "silenced" by those methods.  In fact, it motivates me to be louder.

And the great AFRICANS were the last to sell to the GREAT USA! yet you take BOTH their names "African-American" and blame only ONE....smh
 
Which is the point of the right - selective tolerance, selective racism, selective anything from the left! and Take ZERO personal accountability.
 
Where is your hatred toward the BLACK Africans, your ancestors, who sold or traded your other ancestors to the GREAT USA!
 
But I guess we don't REALLY want to have an open HONEST discussion about race do we....you want to start in the middle and IGNORE the ENTIRE history of slavery and the suppression of blacks...started by the Africans themselves!
 
By that standard lets JUST blame those who buy and abuse drugs - not the Drug dealers!
 
And - to keep rambling - I personally would feel way more anger toward one of my own for selling me out (pun intended) than anything a stranger might do to me...

Sorry Dove, but the color of ones skin and the history of race relations in this country do not, under any circumstance, provide the individual occupying the highest office in the country exemption from scrutiny and criticism. Mr. Bush received (and still receives, for that matter) a lot of criticism and it was because people disagreed with how he ran the office. Why should it be any different with Mr. Obama?(since they are/were both Presidents, the main common denominator) Sometimes it would appear that those who cry loudest about the desire for equal treatment, actually want better than equal treatment in order for things to be equal from their perspective.

That's a typical position for race baiters...throw out an unsupported accusation then demand that you prove yourself innocent.
 
How about this Bluedove, you are a child molester. I have nothing to base this on, but I will continue to call you that until you prove your innoncence. Maybe then you can walk a mile in a white man's shoes.

Well, I for one think that 100% of his WHITE side is completely incompetent, a liar, and will to some degree leave this great country worse off than when he took over....only 1% of his BLACK side is of the same....simple math...51% failure . so that makes me - tolerant, compassionate and understanding of the opposite race, however intolerant, lacks compassion and understanding of my own? 
 
Whew, And YOU PEOPLE were starting to make me feel racist -