Matthew328

41 minutes ago, Separation Scientist said:

No, Houston refs are needed to counterbalance the disadvantage of the Houston / SETX  teams playing in DFW's teams back yard.   

Houston officials worked DeSoto-Summer Creek, PNG-SOC and Aledo-Smithson Valley...San Antonio did Duncanville-North Shore

2 hours ago, badndn said:

Looked at 2022 pics and a few had purple gloves on and we wore white SOC in all black. None of the SOC kids had on white gloves. So gives credence to a disrespect vs in game advantage reasoning. Pretty stupid but….

PNG 2023 State Champs 

Disrespect that! 😂

Tough but fair! Lol

5 minutes ago, pine curtain said:

there are some numbers on this report that just leads to more questions.

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Hopefully you get those questions answered!

5 minutes ago, PN-G bamatex said:

Whether high school or college, this game is supposed to teach the players about life. How to grow up and be men. That ain’t it.

You are entitled to your opinion. Much like the coaches at SOC are entitled to run their program as they see fit, the results are the results. And the results from this year's game had nothing to do with the gloves or being distracted...PNG just beat SOC

I think what's happened at SOC and the type of kids they've put out have made a difference for the positive.

IMO they've done far more good in their community than any percieved slights by wearing the opposing teams colors.

14 minutes ago, PN-G bamatex said:

If the SOC program is at a point where the players care more about showy Instagram clout than respecting their opponents, it explains a lot about their poor showing, and they deserved to lose.

If a player did that at Alabama, Saban would run him until his legs fell off, and half the fan base would rightly laud the decision.

Considering they've been doing it a while now and they've won two state titles and played for another my guess is they'll be fine

7 minutes ago, PN-G bamatex said:

So you’re telling me they did it specifically to disrespect their opponents? That makes it so much more acceptable.

Whether the deception is intentional or not (I suspect it is) doesn’t change the effect. My opinion is unchanged.

Generally speaking yes it's not done on purpose to give that competitive advantage it's more for clout on Instagram in hype videos etc 

On 12/23/2023 at 7:12 PM, pine curtain said:

do the math.

200k attendance times $20 a ticket.

where does all the money that the UIL makes off sports go to?

A lot of it keeps the UIL from being in the red...you think the marching band, one act play and academic contests make money? Absolutely not lol

It's not done to hide penalties, it's called "disrespect spat" where you wear the other teams colors..its not uncommon to see...first time I saw SOC do it was in 2019 vs Kimball they wore red.....Kimball was in white jerseys that day so it clearly wasn't done for a competitive advantage then 

1 hour ago, png409ndns said:

So Houston calls PNG home games?

Not sure if PNG uses SETX or Houston as their home chapter...sometimes geography doesn't always line up...for example DeSoto in the Dallas area uses Fort Worth for their home games

16 minutes ago, Mr. Buddy Garrity said:

If you were familiar with up there you would know it's a little bit different between Fort Worth and the D and that's putting it mildly.  Should I say mildly @Matthew328 ?? 😁

Mildly lol

It's also literally two different chapters lol

24 minutes ago, pine curtain said:

well now we know why he was calling at state.

I guess he must have just had a bad game........

You might want to ask Mike Fitch who the head honcho of TASO is.........

I've never met Mr Fitch, I know Bill was at state football this year organizing and managing the officials and is usually the point person for TASO at coaching school...I guess Bill is technically #2

I want to say Bill's crew has been picked to do 5 state title games now

3 hours ago, pine curtain said:

That crew was not very good last year.

Makes you wonder how some of these crews make it to state.

Theodore's crew is pretty well thought of generally..he's also the head honcho at TASO 

1 hour ago, PN-G bamatex said:

Yes, I’m absolutely certain there members of that crew connected to Dallas ISD in any way on that crew.

It was Bill Theodore's crew...I'd have to research all of them..I know one the guys on the crew has kids that go to Midlothian...would have to research the others

13 hours ago, png409ndns said:

Last year was a Dallas crew. Do we need to go pull backgrounds on them? Check Facebook friends? Relatives? Any ties to the SOC community? 

I don't like the optics of it due to all the negative conversation that it has triggered but the ref had absolutely ZERO impact on the outcome of the game. People need to move on. 

It wasn't a Dallas crew last year, it was a Fort Worth crew...quite different 

1 hour ago, Rez Ipsa said:

After watching Coach Todd in this, he mostly has a reasonable take. He seems to be more focused on whether there were procedural errors that need to be corrected, not on challenging the results of the game. He basically says, “It’s not the reason we lost, but it’s not a good look for the game.” Mostly, we all agree with that (leaving out the fact that he should have been the one to police which refs are playing in the game). He doesn’t allege any wrongdoing by PNG, he simply ascribes the situation to the fact that ref crews really, really want to coach in the state championship. Again, I think he should take more responsibility for not doing his own, or sufficient, diligence on the ref crew. Of course, he says he disagreed with the call but it’s his job to disagree with the call. I don’t expect him to like it. I wish he would get it right that the ref from SETX isn’t the one who made “the” call. And he even admits that the kid who had the call against him had been warned at least two times by the ref. Overall, a pretty reasonable discussion, even I don’t totally agree with all of his perspectives. He may be cocky but he’s not dumb, and I don’t think he’s behaving maliciously against PNG or being a bad sport. There might be someone else at DISD stirring up a storm just for the optics or out of bitterness or something, but Coach Todd comes off looking pretty fair here.

Todd is a polarizing figure, but he and his staff are very good coaches. They had their kids ready to play, they just got beat by a really good team....no shame in that

I can assure you the SOC coaching staff is ready to move on, this being done by DISD board members/admin for optics

14 hours ago, Zoey1204 said:

SOC had to know the Houston chapter calls PNG as well as Ned games 

they did know that

2 hours ago, pine curtain said:

Todd even said the ref warned him 2-3 times before he flagged them for hands to the face.

The ref knew he should not be calling that game.

Perception is reality no matter if anything happened or not

The ref has kids that go to PN-gisd and he owns a business that services the PN-g community.

You know if he would have made a call against PN-g it would have effected his business.

It is a no win situation for him and PN-g.

If the ref wasn't from PN-g this would not even be an issue today.

 

 

I agree, it does put that ref in a bad situation regardless of what happens....

1 hour ago, CS. said:

So it sounds like he thinks the guy who called the PI is the guy from Groves.  That simply is not the case.  Ignorance.

He did and I corrected him....the official who lives or works in Port Neches threw one flag the entire game and that was a hands to the face

22 hours ago, pine curtain said:

only 2 were competitive.  

SOC-PNG; Bellville-Gilmer and Malakoff-Franklin were competitive down to the very end

Gunter-Tidehaven was pretty competitive until the 4th

Mart-Albany and Duncanville-North Shore were close enough to where it wasn't a total blowout but you never felt like Mart or North Shore was coming back to win

Yeah everything else...blowout city

43 minutes ago, Rez Ipsa said:

Thank you. I was confused because someone (I don’t remember who, but it was someone in a journalist position) emphasized that the SOC coach didn’t say anything about the “call” in the three minutes after it happened

even if challenges were allowed I don think a DPI could be challenged

I do think SOC makes it back, they are loaded at the lower levels with talent and several sophomores played key roles...

When we are talking about talent SOC only had one kid sign with Texas Tech today, a couple go G5 and a few FCS kids....absolutely nothing like last year

23 hours ago, png409ndns said:

Well he doesn't have kids at PNG high school. And the coaches agreed on the refs so the point is moot per IV of your post 

 

The coaches agreed on the refs but to my understanding Part IV only applies if the potential conflict is disclosed...the rule reads he doesn't have kids at the school, so I assume since it specifically says school and not ISD its not per TASO considered a conflict 

31 minutes ago, navydawg31 said:

In your opinion PNG vs SOC who had the better the better…

Oline, QB, RB, WR, DL, LB, Secondary, STs… 

 

OL PNG

QB PNG

WR SOC

DL PNG

LB SOC

DB SOC

Special Teams PNG

54 minutes ago, Reagan said:

They’re just mad because “coaching” beat “talent!”   They, like some here, don’t understand it!  😎😁

I think you are overestimating SOC's talent this year..PNG especially up front IMO was more talented 

7 hours ago, Mr. Buddy Garrity said:

Depending on who you ask up there, I totally get what Matt is saying 🤣

Exactly IYKYK

7 hours ago, WOSdrummer99 said:

Local optics? 🕶

Absolutely you file a protest to appease your base..standard operating procedure