Drango1

Love the way this kid conducts himself on the court. He is a player and we will be watching him in March in a few years. 

Love the way this kid conducts himself on the court. He is a player and we will be watching him in March in a few years. 

Looks like their fans are chosing to let the cards fall where they may instead of coming on here and demanding and insisting things. Smart if you ask me. 

Who cares. This is getting so old. Time will tell and thats a fact. Wondering why this thread hasn't been deleted like the last one. It is the same stuff. 

In my opinion they will look closely at transfers there that are for athletic purposes because just what you have said. Who wouldn't want to play for a hall of fame coach. And yes I believe if other coaches in Coach Sutherlands district thought there was a kid that moved there just to play for him they would speak up and an invesigation would occur. 

110% correct!

In my opinion they will look closely at transfers there that are for athletic purposes because just what you have said. Who wouldn't want to play for a hall of fame coach. And yes I believe if other coaches in Coach Sutherlands district thought there was a kid that moved there just to play for him they would speak up and an invesigation would occur. 

It is breaking a rule that matters very much to the UIL. Trust me. 

Interesting. One of UIL's biggest no no's!!!!

Terry Rogers played at Lamar from Silsbee. Significatntly better than a few of those. 

I thought the refs did a fine job in the Big Sandy game until the 4th quarter and it got pretty bad  
The refs missed a ball being tipped by muenster on a 3 point attempt by big sandy. Gave muenster the ball and IMHO the momentum. Hated seeing big sandy lose. Can't wait to see these next two games and hoping Silsbee makes it to the final. Pretty confident they will. 

Should have taken that bet from AAW

Should have taken that bet from AAW

It will be an outsider. Mark it down. 

Also Silsbee is good enough to force you to run. HJ didnt press in either game and were very succesful for 6 of the 8 quarters against Silsbee. Problem is they are so good at some point they will force you to run because you don't have enough gaurds to stay patient on the press. It's like it happens and you never knew it. 

Fist of all, Angel is a fine player and will play college basketball somewhere.  He’s a great young man with great character and a strong academic record.  That being said, people fail to realize that recruiting is so much more than being good enough.  Recruiting is about being good enough, fitting the need of the university, fitting the style of play of the coach, meshing with the coach, getting seen, and finally the coach deciding that the particular player is his number one target.  So many coaches now are more concerned with fitting a particular physical profile as opposed to established skill set.  Most coaches would rather a 6’4” freakishly athletic kid with potential over a 6’1” kid, not very athletic, and an already established skill set.  Recruiting has changed to the point now that just playing AAU is not enough.  If you want to get noticed, you have to play on the right team and lots of times that is not enough.  You better be playing on a team that either has a player that is already being recruited or will play against players that are already being recruited.  That’s the only guarantee to get seen on the summer circuit.  Your AAU team can play in the biggest tournaments out there but, if you are off in some side gym the whole weekend then odds are you are not where the college coaches (DI at least) are.

As for Angel being able to play at Lamar or Sam Houston, that is another mistake that lots of people make.  Look at the Bosha kid from HJ for example.  He is the school’s all time leading scorer, arguably one of the best to come through there and he is barely touching the floor at Lamar.  On top of that, he is 6’5” and long and rangy.  To say any kid should have already received offers at this point in their senior year is not accurate.  Most smaller schools (NAIA, DII, DIII) will do the majority of their signings in the spring time of a player’s senior year.  That is when those schools are most active.  Heck, there are not a whole lot of schools period that are out recruiting heavily right now.  It is the heart of conference play, they are only out there if scheduling works out.

Recruiting is like selling a home.  You can put your home on the market for $200,000 but, if the best offer you get is $150,000 then that is what the market says your house is worth.  And if you don’t get any offers then unfortunately, then you may not sell your house.

Angel has a great coach who, I have no doubt, is working very hard to help him in any way possible.  People also must understand that the recruiting process is a group effort.  It is not just the high school coach’s responsibility, it is not just the parent’s responsibility, nor is it just the AAU coach’s responsibility.  It is everyone’s job to work together to do what is best for the kid and then let the chips fall where they may.  

people have been saying hj is gonna be down next year every year for as long as i can remember...that pipeline is plenty full...just because no one is on a message board touting their young kids as the next great thing doesnt mean anything

What parents fail to realize in college recruiting is one of the first questions coaches ask high school coaches is "what are the parents like?"  College coaches won't and don't have to put up with parents who "think" they know. It is a huge detriment to the kids. 

Oh Parents start the fire. 

You can compare them. Clearly cosch sutherland thinks you can and I would say he is fairly knowledgeable!

Undefeated Ozen team has to be mentioned along with several of the 80’s PA Lincoln teams.  However, as I was reading through the book written by Charles Breithaupt “Press On” about the 1991 Hardin-Jefferson team Todd Sutherland is quoted in the book saying, “This was the best team I have ever been around and I have been blessed to be around some great teams.  I told my wife Jenny, ‘Don’t get used to this.  This team is not normal.’ “

 

If you didn't like the way coach Davis acted and you didn't mind the way the kid from Nederland acted than you are either blinde or dumb. Not to mention english had to discipline the kid for cussing at the opposing team after the game was over. 
 
Watch this thread disappear now
 
P.S. We finally agree in something. Sutherland is indeed GOAT!

You may think about critiquing the way you act in the stands before you critique a coach. 

Sutherland is a Hall of Fame coach no doubt.  His record speaks for itself as does his impact on kids.  However, to say that there has been a drop off after he leaves is just incorrect.  At Kountze they won 2 state titles in 3 years after he left and have been a fixture deep in the playoffs.  His last year two years at H-J they lost in the 2nd and 1st rounds of the playoffs and last year H-J was in the third round of the playoffs. When he left EC the first time I’m fairly certain they were in the hunt in the 2nd/3d round of the playoffs. Furthermore, at Kountze, EC and H-J you have 3 coaches who played for Sutherland at H-J (when he was an asst.)and one who played for him at EC  and I believe Sutherland would be the first to tell you those guys all uphold the same standards that he does.            

Fist of all, Angel is a fine player and will play college basketball somewhere.  He’s a great young man with great character and a strong academic record.  That being said, people fail to realize that recruiting is so much more than being good enough.  Recruiting is about being good enough, fitting the need of the university, fitting the style of play of the coach, meshing with the coach, getting seen, and finally the coach deciding that the particular player is his number one target.  So many coaches now are more concerned with fitting a particular physical profile as opposed to established skill set.  Most coaches would rather a 6’4” freakishly athletic kid with potential over a 6’1” kid, not very athletic, and an already established skill set.  Recruiting has changed to the point now that just playing AAU is not enough.  If you want to get noticed, you have to play on the right team and lots of times that is not enough.  You better be playing on a team that either has a player that is already being recruited or will play against players that are already being recruited.  That’s the only guarantee to get seen on the summer circuit.  Your AAU team can play in the biggest tournaments out there but, if you are off in some side gym the whole weekend then odds are you are not where the college coaches (DI at least) are.

As for Angel being able to play at Lamar or Sam Houston, that is another mistake that lots of people make.  Look at the Bosha kid from HJ for example.  He is the school’s all time leading scorer, arguably one of the best to come through there and he is barely touching the floor at Lamar.  On top of that, he is 6’5” and long and rangy.  To say any kid should have already received offers at this point in their senior year is not accurate.  Most smaller schools (NAIA, DII, DIII) will do the majority of their signings in the spring time of a player’s senior year.  That is when those schools are most active.  Heck, there are not a whole lot of schools period that are out recruiting heavily right now.  It is the heart of conference play, they are only out there if scheduling works out.

Recruiting is like selling a home.  You can put your home on the market for $200,000 but, if the best offer you get is $150,000 then that is what the market says your house is worth.  And if you don’t get any offers then unfortunately, then you may not sell your house.

Angel has a great coach who, I have no doubt, is working very hard to help him in any way possible.  People also must understand that the recruiting process is a group effort.  It is not just the high school coach’s responsibility, it is not just the parent’s responsibility, nor is it just the AAU coach’s responsibility.  It is everyone’s job to work together to do what is best for the kid and then let the chips fall where they may.