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He has a list of coaches that he deems "elite".. that have either won multiple state championships, state championships at more than one school, or both. And he believes that any of those coaches or any coach of that caliber would go to any school, of any classification, with any level of talent/ability, and win a state championship within 7 years.

It's most certainly easy. Why did one of your elite coaches go 7 years with mediocre record each year, after winning his second state title? Because he didn't have players good enough to make a deep run with. You're right. Easy. I just want you to admit it.. even though you probably wont.

Sigh... selective responses.. "Etheridge Records after 1977 '78- 6-4 '79- 4-5-1 '80- 7-3 '81- 3-7 '82- 4-6 '83- 6-3-1 '84- 2-8 @Round Rock" You still didn't explain that ^. I need your explanation to why he (AN ELITE COACH) managed a 7 year stretch that you would've fired him for... after winning his 2nd state title. 4 of those 7 years were below .500. Explain that. It's not about taking hall of fame status away.. just admitting that he didn't have the players. Proving that even a great coach can't do it without good players. Like I've said countless times, Bill Belichick is an average to below average coach without Tom Brady. 79-87 without him, to be exact. "

" Etheridge Records after 1977 '78- 6-4 '79- 4-5-1 '80- 7-3 '81- 3-7 '82- 4-6 '83- 6-3-1 '84- 2-8 @Round Rock" You still didn't explain that ^. I need your explanation to why he (AN ELITE COACH) managed a 7 year stretch that you would've fired him for... after winning his 2nd state title. 4 of those 7 years were below .500. Explain that. It's not about taking hall of fame status away.. just admitting that he didn't have the players. Proving that even a great coach can't do it without good players. Like I've said countless times, Bill Belichick is an average to below average coach without Tom Brady. 79-87 without him, to be exact.

Great point.. but it doesn't make sense to pretend that the idea is anything other than what it is.. idiotic. Even coaches on his own list of elite coaches were proven do have mediocre or poor seasons after winning their 2nd+ state title.

This too. 100% correct.

Everybody here know this... except for one.

The fact that he only believes that "elite coaching" happens in football tells me everything I need.

None of that will matter to him. Etheridge is "elite".

First of all, the names I mentioned aren't exceptions to the rule. They also represent a few of many that had great success and then average or below average seasons after at some point. Even the Great G.A. Moore had some somewhat mediocre seasons mixed in between those title runs. His last year as a head coach was a losing season. And you're talking about schools that are powers either beforehand or since said coach left. Celina, Pilot Point, suburb Austin, Aledo.. are you serious? Areas of the state that have gone through the most substantial transformations of wealth/growth over the last couple decades anywhere. Same thing happened in the Beaumont area during the oil boom. And the Permian Basin area during that oil boom. I will never not give credit to CT for how he handled WOS prior to the current coach.. but I think it had to do with player management more than anything (a coaching quality no doubt). Because I was told that this year's WOS team had players walking off the field during games, insanely poor attitudes, etc. And that might just be the main difference, because like you said and I agree with.. same kids, different coach. But I don't attribute that to coaching ability (Xs and Os) as much as I do player management. Time will tell with all of that. PNG- same sentiment. Time will tell. This was a great year for them but they're losing a bunch of seniors. How confident are you that they'll repeat or somewhat repeat the level of success they had this year? I personally think Phil Danaher and Tim Buchanan have a very similar qualification to be hired. Buchanan has an unprecedented 8 state titles... but, at a school with 3 state titles during that same time period when he wasn't head coach. And almost his entire career was spent at Aledo. Danaher may not have rings but he has a lot of success at 3 different schools that didn't have anywhere near that level of success without him. Like I said.. being an elite coach doesn't JUST mean winning state titles. I'm not gonna sway on that. You're obviously not going to sway on your opinion. It is what it is. There isn't a coach you named that could EVER win a state championship at countless school across the state right now or within 7 years of now. I'll bet every dollar I've ever made or will ever make on that. Coincidentally, there are a ton of great coaches right now that could have similar levels of success right now or within 7 years at some schools across the state.

I found another I'd forgotten about. Lee Fedora. He actually embarrassed Coach Thompson and WOS on his way to his first of 2 state titles in Navasota (elite).. and then went to A&M Consolidated for 6 years and couldn't get past the first couple rounds. What the heck?? That doesn't make sense... He's "elite" so he should've at least gotten back to Austin, right? I don't understand you're exact way of thinking.

Cant wait. I'm sure it'll all make sense when you explain how elite coaches win multiple championships then don't get close for several years after. I'm looking forward to the education.

That's right.. ignore my questions. That way you'll be right in your own mind.

I actually watched the game on Anahuac's YouTube channel. They had the game.. if they could've made a free throw down the stretch. I think they missed 8 straight including and1's and the end of the game.

So.. elite coaches only exist in football? Got it. Since that the case... When is Tom Westerberg going to win another one? He's elite according to your thinking. When is Jeff Kasowski going to win another one? He won 3 in a row at Bremond.. and hasn't been close since 2016. What happened with Rick Rhoades? He won 3 at Cameron Yoe and didn't come close for the next 7 seasons. What happened with Rusty Nail? He won his second title at Mart in 2010.. then didn't win another for 8 years. Including not even getting close at 3 years in Madisonville. Explain to me how these elite coaches became worse coaches... By the way.. these are just 3 recent examples. I'm sure there are tons more.

I’m going to use a local example from a different sport of two men I think do a great job with what they have at what they try to do. Coach Joubert at Kountze and Coach Sutherland at EC. Both with 2 or more state titles (elite according to you). Both well over 7 years since their last state title. Kountze, coincidentally, is fighting for a playoff spot (4th place). Are they worse coaches than they were? Please explain.

I know. I'm hoping you repeat your thoughts on this for the folks in the conversation that weren't last time. And also make you think a little deeper about your assessment of what makes an elite coach.

Is Phil Danaher an elite coach? According to your theory.. he would've been fired at Calallen several times over. Even though he won more Texas high school football games than anyone that's ever coached and reached state finals twice, state semi-finals 11 times, state quarter finals 6 times, and regional finals 9 times. That's more deep runs than many of your "elite coaches" that you constantly talk about. So.. again. Is Phil Danaher an elite coach? Or is he someone that should've been fired?

Is Phil Danaher an elite coach? According to your theory.. he would've been fired at Calallen several times over. Even though he won more Texas high school football games than anyone that's ever coached and reached state finals twice, state semi-finals 11 times, state quarter finals 6 times, and regional finals 9 times. That's more deep runs than many of your "elite coaches" that you constantly talk about. So.. again. Is Phil Danaher an elite coach? Or is he someone that should've been fired?

Is Phil Danaher an elite coach? According to your theory.. he would've been fired at Calallen several times over. Even though he won more Texas high school football games than anyone that's ever coached and reached state finals twice, state semi-finals 11 times, state quarter finals 6 times, and regional finals 9 times. That's more deep runs than many of your "elite coaches" that you constantly talk about. So.. again. Is Phil Danaher an elite coach? Or is he someone that should've been fired?

It's somewhat related to Vidor. It was said that Vidor has as much talent as whoever.. Lumberton I think. So they should've won this year with all their 4.5 speedsters and scrappy kids. And yeah.. less talented teams win every once in a while. I wouldn't take that pitch to a college recruiter job interview if I were you.

"And? Colleges miss all the time on so called "5 star or top 100 recruits" . So does the NFL on 1st round picks." Get it wrong all the time.... miss all the time.... not much different to me. But you definitely said that ^. Either way.. it's statistically high enough that I'm taking their side. So, in the case of "7 top 100 recruits" vs. "zero top 100 recruits"... I'm betting that the one with 7 is more talented. Especially since I actually watched the game.

Let's make a comparison.. how many top recruits do they get right? How many first round picks do they get right? Personally.. I'm gonna go with the billions of dollars industries that devote millions of dollars+ on getting the best players possible in order to win games. As opposed to some guy on some high school sports forum that says, "they get it wrong all the time...".

I agree with you that coaching is the deciding factor when talent is relatively similar. Coaching will even overcome a slightly higher degree of talent.. but there's a limit to that. Surely even you don't think the greatest 2A coach in all of existence with the best 2A team to have ever played can beat Northshore as they are right now.

player + coaching + level of competition Which part of the formula do you not understand? By the way... the last part is the reason the WOS predecessor didn't win a state title every year. Graduation contributed to that as well (player). Where does "level of competition" come in to play? Well... if you'll remember. WOS couldn't even get out of the region when Carthage was in their classification (level of competition). Thank goodness UIL came in and split the divisions. That's when a great coach (C. Thompson) became next level great in your eyes. Not to be a buzzkill... but it happened for Newton, Too. Before the D1/D2 classification split they couldn't get past Cameron Yoe.