oldschool2

So 31% of Texas high school football coaches are elite coaches? That seems high...

Who's blaming kids? It's not the kids' fault when they just smaller, weaker, or slower than state championship caliber athletes. Now.. a coach can help/motivate them to get bigger, stronger, and faster. Possibly more so than any other coach. And some coaches will give those kids a better chance to win than many other coaches. But sometimes it's not enough. That's not kid blaming. That's reality. There's not a 5'6, 145 kid in the world that realistically blames their old coach that they didn't get into the NFL. But you.. you're saying that an "elite coach" can win a title with a team full of average to below average kids. You're the dodo bird in this argument.

There was mucho sarcasm in my post that you replied to. A joke, in fact. Anyone with any sense knows that it isn't the coach's fault when they obviously have nothing to work with.

Only in high school football. You forgot that part..

What's the percentage of state champion coaches that only won one?

I'm excited to hear the explanation for this stat.... 39 exceptions to the rule is quite a few.

When you win a championship or more.. then come back to the SAME SCHOOL and go 23-21, who's fault is it? Who should get the blame.. because you know it's gonna be placed somewhere. I'm curious now.

No matter how many examples you give, it will be an "exception to the rule".

Sounds like you're a kid blamer. He would absolutely have West Hardin winning a state title within 7 years. Max.

I'm not proposing anything. I don't know that anything can be done, actually. In fact, one could argue that it was all of the things I mentioned that money buys that made it possible for kids without the God given athleticism to be competitive. It just got out of control in that direction. Suggestions? I don't have any. There will always be haves and have nots unfortunately.

You can't make a donkey win a race horse... no matter how good the trainer is.

Even though money can have less impact the smaller the classification... because one or a handful of stud players can change an entire season.. Let's see who knocked out Newton and WOS going back to 2010 10-11 Newton- C.H. Yoe 11-12 Newton- Crockett 12-13 Newton- C.H. Yoe 13-14 Newton- White Oak 14-15 Newton- Waskom 15-16 Newton- Franklin 16-17 Newton- Arp 17-18 Newton- State Title over Gunter 18-19 Newton- State Title over Canadian 19-20 Newton- Daingerfield 20-21 Newton- Omaha Paul Pewitt 21-22 Newton- Waskom 22-23 Newton- Harmony 10-11 WOS- Brookshire-Royal 11-12 WOS- Coldspring 12-13 WOS- Navasota 13-14 WOS- Carthage 14-15 WOS- Gilmer 15-16 WOS- State Title over Celina 16-17 WOS- State Title over Sweetwater 17-18 WOS- Pleasant Grove 18-19 WOS- Silsbee 19-20 WOS- Silsbee 20-21 WOS- China Spring 21-22 WOS- China Spring 22-23 WOS- Bellville You really wanna compare facilities of many of these schools that made them exit? Not all.. but many..

How many schools in the state have never been past round 3? What if a school has never in its history won 2 playoff games in the same year and hardly ever even makes the playoffs? What if it's a school like Sabine Pass.. or Warren? You know.. habitual punching bags. Then a coach starts making the playoffs consistently and maybe wins a playoff game every once in a while. Still need to be fired for not getting to at least 4th round in 7 years?

In a way, it does correlate to athleticism. Because players with access to money, state of the art facilities, personal trainers, proper nutrition, adequate sleep habits, etc. will likely be in better physical shape than a kid without access to those. It's not the RULE, but it definitely makes it more likely. By the way, and I've been clear about this, it's referring to a LIKLIHOOD. There are always and will always be exceptions. I don't understand why that's so hard to understand. By the way.. which years are you talking about? 20-21 was Austin Westlake and Katy. 21-22 was Northshore and Austin Westlake. Include the 5A champions... Aledo, Guyer, Katy Paetow... you not familiar with the areas? Even if you're correct about 3 out of 4 including this year, look at the last 10 years. Or 15.. list the football state champions for 4A/5A/6A and tell me the percentage of those communities that have an average household income higher than the state average. Not to mention the state champs in all other sports. If you don't see that communities with money have a higher likelihood of success in athletics (not to be confused with athleticism), then your eyes are closed.

Yeah, I'm done. It's like arguing with a wall anyway.

There isn't anything I've posted that's difficult to understand. If you think I agreed with you then you stopped reading at, "it's most certainly easy". Because otherwise you would've seen me say that the reason he had a mediocre stretch was because he had mediocre players.

By agreeing with me, you're admitting that the "7 year program" doesn't work without players good enough to win. Which is what we've all been saying for several pages now.

He has a list of coaches that he deems "elite".. that have either won multiple state championships, state championships at more than one school, or both. And he believes that any of those coaches or any coach of that caliber would go to any school, of any classification, with any level of talent/ability, and win a state championship within 7 years.

It's most certainly easy. Why did one of your elite coaches go 7 years with mediocre record each year, after winning his second state title? Because he didn't have players good enough to make a deep run with. You're right. Easy. I just want you to admit it.. even though you probably wont.

Sigh... selective responses.. "Etheridge Records after 1977 '78- 6-4 '79- 4-5-1 '80- 7-3 '81- 3-7 '82- 4-6 '83- 6-3-1 '84- 2-8 @Round Rock" You still didn't explain that ^. I need your explanation to why he (AN ELITE COACH) managed a 7 year stretch that you would've fired him for... after winning his 2nd state title. 4 of those 7 years were below .500. Explain that. It's not about taking hall of fame status away.. just admitting that he didn't have the players. Proving that even a great coach can't do it without good players. Like I've said countless times, Bill Belichick is an average to below average coach without Tom Brady. 79-87 without him, to be exact. "

" Etheridge Records after 1977 '78- 6-4 '79- 4-5-1 '80- 7-3 '81- 3-7 '82- 4-6 '83- 6-3-1 '84- 2-8 @Round Rock" You still didn't explain that ^. I need your explanation to why he (AN ELITE COACH) managed a 7 year stretch that you would've fired him for... after winning his 2nd state title. 4 of those 7 years were below .500. Explain that. It's not about taking hall of fame status away.. just admitting that he didn't have the players. Proving that even a great coach can't do it without good players. Like I've said countless times, Bill Belichick is an average to below average coach without Tom Brady. 79-87 without him, to be exact.

Great point.. but it doesn't make sense to pretend that the idea is anything other than what it is.. idiotic. Even coaches on his own list of elite coaches were proven do have mediocre or poor seasons after winning their 2nd+ state title.

This too. 100% correct.

Everybody here know this... except for one.

The fact that he only believes that "elite coaching" happens in football tells me everything I need.