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[quote name="FanintheStands" post="1175243" timestamp="1328837517"] There is something about HJ's and Silsbee's press that I'm always floored by.  When I played (no, we weren't STILL using peach baskets!) we pressed all game long.  We were pressed by teams like HJ and a few others. But nobody was able to press on a missed shot.  The only time you could do a full court press was on a made shot.  I always marvel when I see teams get the rebound, turn around, and are staring into the teeth of a full court press. Of course, the answer to that would be, kick the ball out and get it up the court BEFORE they can set up the Press.  I'm not sure why I don't see that done today. [/quote] IF the team gets too preoccupied trying to get players up the court, they're gonna get burned by HJ and Silsbee on the offensive end if guys starting cheating back the other way.  Just my opinion.

[quote name="NB-Dawg" post="1175228" timestamp="1328836131"] After looking at this year's results, here is my two cents: 1. HJ would prob win this silly make believe district. 2. Silsbee, Nederland, and Central would all battle for 2nd. I came to this conclusion based on the fact that: -All 3 have defeated: HF, WO-S, PNG, and Ozen (Central is 3-1 against them), sorry Dickie, just the facts!  :-\ -Silsbee beat HYCA, and HYCA beat Central. -Central beat Ned twice, Ned won one against Central. -Nederland beat Baytown Sterling, Baytown Sterling beat Silsbee -Central beat WB, WB beat Ned, and Silsbee went 1-1 against WB -Ned beat Memorial twice, Central went 1-1 against them -Ned beat Hightower, HT beat Central twice These 3 teams seem to be even, and would probably split By winning at home. [/quote] i think this is a reasonable assessment, but seeing HJ struggle with Silsbee twice, i honestly believe that Silsbee would finish 2nd.

[quote name="NB-Dawg" post="1175222" timestamp="1328834833"] [quote author=bullets13 link=topic=95677.msg1175210#msg1175210 date=1328833189] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=95677.msg1175207#msg1175207 date=1328832450] [quote author=bullets13 link=topic=95677.msg1175196#msg1175196 date=1328831773] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=95677.msg1175191#msg1175191 date=1328831156] Its also kinda funny how Silsbee fans arent trying to make a case for dominance like a few of you guys are.. :D Seem to be getting responses from HJ people [/quote] actually, AAW did make the case for Silsbee dominance.  and there are only two HJ people on here doing the same for HJ.  It's also kinda funny that you keep ignoring the fact that HJ beat the crap out of the two best teams in 20-4A this year, and Silsbee beat the #3 team.  Yes, those two teams would be "near the top", because at the top is "near the top". [/quote] Alright buddy, I think you dont seem to get it.. I will again give the credit to HJ and Silsbee for defeating the best teams 20-4A has to offer.. I Only take offense to people assuming the dominance would be the same in this district, just because your record from your 3A district says you win lots of games.. Not buying it.. Competitive week-in and week-out, unlike you guys, who pencil in the Silsbee game so you know when you have to get players ready to play basketball.. Not saying I know everything or that I know more than the other guy, just making an opinion and adding a thought that some might want to consider [/quote] there's only three good teams in 20-4A, and 20-4A ISN'T THAT GOOD OF A 4A DISTRICT!  and HJ spanked Nederland and Central THIS YEAR.  [b]WOS played Nederland very close[/b].  HF isn't bad this year.  HJ and Silsbee just usually make them look bad.  20-4A isn't that much better than 21-3A on a whole.  and the bottom 3 of 20-4A are every bit as bad or worse than the bottom three of 21-3A, it's just that the top teams in 20-4A are more prone to playing closer games with them from time to time because THEY AREN'T as good as HJ or Silsbee THIS YEAR.  So there are three quality teams in 20-4A, and a couple of decent teams, and some very bad teams.  Realistically, Nederland should only have 2 games that are a threat for them to lose in each half of district.  For HJ it's 1 1/2, maybe, because WOS has shown from time to time they're capable of playing well against good teams.  I'm not seeing this huge advantage in quality top-to-bottom for 20-4A that you seem so hung up on.  I am, however seeing a huge advantage in the results in HJ and Silsbee vs. 20-4A THIS year.  Why that obvious advantage would not continue THIS YEAR if they were in the same district is beyond my understanding, but must be clear to you.  Oh yeah, that super-competitive district thing, right? [/quote] Nederland beat WO-S by 12, 30, and 2. They dominated in two of the games, and won on a last second shot when they last met. I think this topic is silly, but just thought some statements needed to be clarified. [/quote] so one good win out of three attempts?  a 12 point win against the 3rd or maybe 4th best team in the local 3A district is not much of a win, IMO.

[quote name="dogs1218" post="1175207" timestamp="1328832450"] [quote author=bullets13 link=topic=95677.msg1175196#msg1175196 date=1328831773] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=95677.msg1175191#msg1175191 date=1328831156] Its also kinda funny how Silsbee fans arent trying to make a case for dominance like a few of you guys are.. :D Seem to be getting responses from HJ people [/quote] actually, AAW did make the case for Silsbee dominance.  and there are only two HJ people on here doing the same for HJ.  It's also kinda funny that you keep ignoring the fact that HJ beat the crap out of the two best teams in 20-4A this year, and Silsbee beat the #3 team.  Yes, those two teams would be "near the top", because at the top is "near the top". [/quote] Alright buddy, I think you dont seem to get it.. I will again give the credit to HJ and Silsbee for defeating the best teams 20-4A has to offer.. I Only take offense to people assuming the dominance would be the same in this district, just because your record from your 3A district says you win lots of games.. Not buying it.. Competitive week-in and week-out, unlike you guys, who pencil in the Silsbee game so you know when you have to get players ready to play basketball.. Not saying I know everything or that I know more than the other guy, just making an opinion and adding a thought that some might want to consider [/quote] there's only three good teams in 20-4A, and 20-4A ISN'T THAT GOOD OF A 4A DISTRICT!  and HJ spanked Nederland and Central THIS YEAR.  WOS played Nederland very close.  HF isn't bad this year.  HJ and Silsbee just usually make them look bad.  20-4A isn't that much better than 21-3A on a whole.  and the bottom 3 of 20-4A are every bit as bad or worse than the bottom three of 21-3A, it's just that the top teams in 20-4A are more prone to playing closer games with them from time to time because THEY AREN'T as good as HJ or Silsbee THIS YEAR.  So there are three quality teams in 20-4A, and a couple of decent teams, and some very bad teams.  Realistically, Nederland should only have 2 games that are a threat for them to lose in each half of district.  For HJ it's 1 1/2, maybe, because WOS has shown from time to time they're capable of playing well against good teams.  I'm not seeing this huge advantage in quality top-to-bottom for 20-4A that you seem so hung up on.  I am, however seeing a huge advantage in the results in HJ and Silsbee vs. 20-4A THIS year.  Why that obvious advantage would not continue THIS YEAR if they were in the same district is beyond my understanding, but must be clear to you.  Oh yeah, that super-competitive district thing, right? 

[quote name="stevenash" post="1175199" timestamp="1328832037"] [quote author=bullets13 link=topic=95677.msg1175196#msg1175196 date=1328831773] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=95677.msg1175191#msg1175191 date=1328831156] Its also kinda funny how Silsbee fans arent trying to make a case for dominance like a few of you guys are.. :D Seem to be getting responses from HJ people [/quote] actually, AAW did make the case for Silsbee dominance.  and there are only two HJ people on here doing the same for HJ.  It's also kinda funny that you keep ignoring the fact that HJ beat the crap out of the two best teams in 20-4A this year, and Silsbee beat the #3 team.  Yes, those two teams would be "near the top", because at the top is "near the top". [/quote] NOBODY said HJ was a world beater.  But there are plenty who are unwilling to take the attempted discrediting of a good team without making their opinion(s) known. [/quote] or in this case, two teams, who have shown through their dominance of 20-4A THIS YEAR that they would finish 1-2 there THIS YEAR. 

[quote name="PoppaBearstarr" post="1174973" timestamp="1328806740"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=95691.msg1174717#msg1174717 date=1328755655] [img][Hidden Content]] [/quote] Thanks Nash now I feel better..... [/quote] that's nash with the glasses on the far right, isn't it?

also worth noting that Dickie V agrees, and not only is he an Ozen guy, he's coached in the district, and knows considerably more about basketball than you or i put together.

[quote name="dogs1218" post="1175191" timestamp="1328831156"] Its also kinda funny how Silsbee fans arent trying to make a case for dominance like a few of you guys are.. :D Seem to be getting responses from HJ people [/quote] actually, AAW did make the case for Silsbee dominance.  and there are only two HJ people on here doing the same for HJ.  It's also kinda funny that you keep ignoring the fact that HJ beat the crap out of the two best teams in 20-4A this year, and Silsbee beat the #3 team.  Yes, those two teams would be "near the top", because at the top is "near the top".

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1175178" timestamp="1328829729"] [quote author=bullets13 link=topic=95677.msg1175172#msg1175172 date=1328829131] speaking of elite, we're not going to put an elite tag on a team that's been to state twice, and regionals what 5 times, in the last 6 years?  that's 34-1 this year, and 8-0 against the local district a classification up, including two wins totalling nearly a 40-point margin against the best two teams in that district?  your bias is showing, and it's irrational.  the same argument can be made for silsbee.  they've been to regionals nearly every year in the past 5 or 6, and have represented our area at state.  they're not one of the elite local teams?  i guess you think it should be Nederland, because they're looking for a 3-peat in a district that hasn't been strong in 5 years?  you got it, then. [b] Nederland's the elite team in the area[/b], they just aren't as good as the two best teams in 21-3A, and if they had to play each team twice in district, they'd be lucky to pull out 1 win in the 4 games this year. [/quote] No they are not.... ::)...elite? NO...they are a good, well coached team..Elite? they are not... [/quote]  :-X  just trying to tell him what he wants to hear ;)

SO again, HJ's beaten the top two teams in 20-4A by a combined 40 points, and also beaten the #3 team badly in a scrimmage, and the #4 team four separate times this season.  Worth noting that the best team in 20-4A also only beat the #3 team in 21-3A by two earlier in the year, and also that Nederland made their blowout loss to HJ slightly more respectable when HJ put their mop-up players in the game in the 4th.  Silsbee has a win against the #3 team in 20-4A, and has beaten Central 3 times in a row and Ozen 3 of the last 4 times they've played.  Why is it so silly to think that these two teams would have such a tough time transitioning into 20-4A and winning and taking second in that district this year?

speaking of elite, we're not going to put an elite tag on a team that's been to state twice, and regionals what 5 times, in the last 6 years?  that's 34-1 this year, and 8-0 against the local district a classification up, including two wins totalling nearly a 40-point margin against the best two teams in that district?  your bias is showing, and it's irrational.  the same argument can be made for silsbee.  they've been to regionals nearly every year in the past 5 or 6, and have represented our area at state.  they're not one of the elite local teams?  i guess you think it should be Nederland, because they're looking for a 3-peat in a district that hasn't been strong in 5 years?  you got it, then.  Nederland's the elite team in the area, they just aren't as good as the two best teams in 21-3A, and if they had to play each team twice in district, they'd be lucky to pull out 1 win in the 4 games this year.

i don't have a problem with them playing OR flipping.  i'd love to see HJ and Silsbee get a huge challenge right before playoffs to get their frame of mind back to competitive basketball, and away from the blowouts they've lined up in district.  that being said, i can also understand a coach wanting to flip and avoid wearing the kids out, or maybe lining up a warmup game against a lesser opponent to work on some things against a team of the caliber that they'll be playing in the first round or two.  as a fan, i'd love to watch a 3rd game between HJ and Silsbee.

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1174847" timestamp="1328795060"] What about the players, Bullets? I mean are you in agreement with them standing in a line and placing their right hands on each others shoulders? THAT is who the PNG guy that started this nonsense was talking about...the players on the floor. [/quote] if they're showing solidarity as a team, and also making some sort of gesture that shows they are still honoring the flag, i don't have a problem with it.  if they're goofing off, joking, talking, whatever, that's a different matter.

HJ and Silsbee are better.  hard to blame it on their style.  I don't know if seeing something 4 times a year in a schedule of 30 games would really help 20-4A all that much to prepare.  that insane press would still be something they wouldn't get used to.  i also have to agree with nash who pointed out that both silsbee and HJ have at least 3 starters that would start at just about any school in 20-4A as well.  it may not be the case every year, but this year HJ and Silsbee would finish 1-2 in that district.  They're a combined 10-0 against that district, and 7-0 against the top-4.  with all three top teams each losing a game to 21-3A, plus Ozen getting absolutely run by HJ in a scrimmage (yes, i know they don't count), i'd say that it's pretty obvious what would happen if the two 3A teams moved up into that district.  and the only viable argument i've seen is that the more competitive 20-4A schedule would possibly give their teams an edge over HJ and Silsbee at this point, which would be a moot point had HJ and Silsbee been in that district and played the same tougher schedule.

that's a valid point... but still, HJ and Silsbee are better than the teams in 20-4A, regardless.  maybe with those teams having played more meaningful games in district, if a 20-4A team was going to play HJ or Silsbee in a playoff warmup game, it might help them prepare for the competition of a tough game better than HJ or Silsbee's district has prepared them, but... If HJ and Silsbee were to play in the district WITH the 20-4A teams, the other teams wouldn't have the advantage over them of playing in a tougher district.  therefore your argument only works if Silsbee and HJ were going to play 20-4A teams at the end of the season, and i still don't think it would matter much.  Seeing as HJ and Silsbee dominated the best teams in 20-4A before district started, and both played schedules in pre-district as tough as a district schedule is in 20-4A, or tougher, I don't see why, if they were in the district already, they'd somehow struggle because they'd have a couple of tough games in a row.  it sure never seems to effect them when one or the other is marching to regionals and state every other year. 

(-11) Channelview @ [b]West Brook[/b] [b]La Porte[/b] @ PAM (-16) (-17) Crosby @ [b]Dayton[/b] GCM @ [b]Barbers Hill [/b] (-5) Livingston @ [b]LCM[/b] (-7) Lumberton @ [b]Central[/b] (-29) (-4) [b]Nederland [/b] @ Ozen (-8) PNG @ [b]Vidor[/b] Hamshire-Fannett @ [b]WOS[/b] (-4) (-37) [b]Hardin-Jefferson[/b] @ Bridge City Orangefield @[b] Silsbee[/b] (-24) Huffman @ [b]Coldspring[/b] (-16) Liberty @ [b]Cleveland[/b] (-14) Tarkington @ [b]Splendora[/b] (-15) [b]Newton[/b] @ Woden (-3) Buna @ [b]Hardin[/b] (-3) (-28) [b]East Chambers [/b] @ Anahuac [b]West Sabine[/b] @ Broaddus (-3) (-2) Evadale @ [b]Big Sandy[/b] Sabine Pass @ [b]West Hardin[/b] (-11) Not happy about these matchups.  first three games i've picked teams to beat the spread that i'm expecting to lose the game... never feel comfortable doing this...

[quote name="stevenash" post="1175063" timestamp="1328816813"] If Nash had a child, the poor kid wouldnt have a chance. [/quote] the first couple seem to know their stuff pretty well... :)

[quote name="stevenash" post="1175051" timestamp="1328816037"] [quote author=#1 Manager link=topic=95677.msg1174770#msg1174770 date=1328762257] Who is this "Dick" guy?  He seems like another HJ fan that thinks he is a basketball "Guru".  Here is my question since there are so many HJ fans that run this site.  Who is the best basketball guru of yalls kind on this site?      I'm having hard time picking which one I should be taking notes from!!!  ;D [/quote] Best Guru, without a doubt, is Da Dove. [/quote] If Nash, Dove, and Dickie had a child, he would be the chosen one...

HJ and Silsbee finish 1 and 2 in 20-4A, no question in my mind.  HJ is  8-0 against 20-4A this year, including a 25-point win over Nederland (by far their worst loss this year), and a double-digit win over central.  Silsbee is 2-0 against 20-4A, with a win over Ozen.  Nederland is good this year, but they have had several mediocre results against average to mediocre teams...  HJ has beaten the crap out of every team they should beat the crap out of this year, as well as several pretty good teams as well.  very few close results, even with a heavy dose of 4A oppenents in their schedule.  And Silsbee's schedule has been even tougher, with respectable results against incredibly difficult opponents. 

[quote name="#1 Manager" post="1174770" timestamp="1328762257"] Who is this "Dick" guy?  He seems like another HJ fan that thinks he is a basketball "Guru".  Here is my question since there are so many HJ fans that run this site.  Who is the best basketball guru of yalls kind on this site?      I'm having hard time picking which one I should be taking notes from!!!  ;D [/quote] and he's no HJ guy, either...

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1174222" timestamp="1328711035"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95677.msg1174216#msg1174216 date=1328710586] [b]Had this convo the other night[/b]....If you dropped Hardin Jefferson and Silsbee in district 20-4A, where would they finish THIS SEASON? I have a pretty good idea that this will hurt some egos on here, but its just a "hypothetical" scenario...Think about the head to head competitions here with those two 3A programs... 8)...my pick: They would finish 1 and 2... ;)...What do you guys think? [/quote] I remember that conversation. ;) ;D [/quote] i think i started this conversation 2 weeks ago at the preview show...

yes.  why wouldn't you.  if you don't care enough about your country to burn 1 calorie and raise your arm, find another place to live.  it's the greatest country on earth!  show a little respect when it's being honored.

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1174759" timestamp="1328760782"] At the end of the day, its STILL NEDERLAND.... ::)...Not Yates, not Wheatley, Not Madison, Not Lincoln, Not FW Dunbar.....its......Nederland....Ozen by 10... ;) [/quote] Ozen is more than capable of winning this game, but i don't know how anyone can favor them after their last performance.

[quote name="stevenash" post="1174521" timestamp="1328730674"] [quote author=bullets13 link=topic=95694.msg1174519#msg1174519 date=1328730087] Ehh... Nederland just had a big wakeup call, but so did Ozen.  I'll give Nederland the edge, simply on their coaching advantage. [/quote] Dickie V isnt going to like your choice. [/quote] don't know that he can argue it, though...

What a finish!