bullets13

HJ was too nice... screwed me on my pickem :)

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="1175871" timestamp="1328927149"] [table][tr][td][color=black]End 1st[/td][/tr] [tr][td][color=black]Orangefield[/td][td]  [/td][td][color=black]10[/td][/tr] [tr][td][color=black]Silsbee[/td][td]  [/td][td][color=black]2[/td][/tr][/table] [/quote] how did that happen?

1 for 1 on the pickems, and this was one of those good ones where it was split... :)

[quote name="NB-Dawg" post="1175429" timestamp="1328892000"] [quote author=king link=topic=95704.msg1175344#msg1175344 date=1328884205] Miami is the darkhorse in the acc! [/quote] How are they the dark horse when they just beat Duke last week? Doesn't that place 'light' on them? [/quote] they're the shadow horses. :)

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1175567" timestamp="1328903065"] HJ won't agree to play in a tournament of this magnitude. They'll say the Sabine Pass Tourney is priority.  ;D [/quote] well, you know, HJ is steeped in tradition...

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1175563" timestamp="1328902808"] [quote author=ST413 link=topic=95677.msg1175561#msg1175561 date=1328902691] So 9 big schools (4a&5a) put then in the top of a 16 team bracket with one add in like Nederland tourney. And put 8 small schools in other bracket. Two separate tourneys in one with two best out of each bracket playing for the triangle championship. [/quote] Then you would have the big schools crying about the two 3A's having an easier route to the final. If you are gonna do it, put everyone in the same brackets. [/quote] plus i'd like to see HJ get a chance to play some of the 4a and 5a schools in this tourney.  If you don't mix up the brackets, the best case scenario for a 3A school would be to get one game against one of the local big schools, and only one 3A school would get this. 

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1175525" timestamp="1328900367"] [quote author=bullets13 link=topic=95677.msg1175506#msg1175506 date=1328899582] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95677.msg1175502#msg1175502 date=1328899252] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=95677.msg1175479#msg1175479 date=1328895816] Locally, we only have two 5A's and seven 4A's. (unless of course you include North Shore, Baytown Sterling, Livingston and any of the 19-4A teams). To complete a 16 team field you would need to add 7 more teams. Other than HJ, Silsbee, WOS and HF, who else would fill out the brackets? [/quote]Doubt if HJ will be a serious contender next year. Probably should scratch them off the list [/quote] you're right... but they won't be bad at all... still better than HF, and possibly WOS.  Include Coldspring, Cleveland, and Splendora in the tourney.  That would give it a boost. [/quote]It was a joke ;D I would definitely include these schools-only if they are fielding competitive teams. And don't forget about the Lake Charles area. [/quote] i knew it was a joke... but still, HJ will likely not be at the same level next year that they are this year, although they'll still be very competitive.  I think Silsbee will be the class of the area next year (again).

Silsbee will be fine.  This isn't Sigler's first rodeo.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1175395" timestamp="1328888929"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=94950.msg1175393#msg1175393 date=1328888678] Got word that they are appealing to stay in 4A and should easily be granted the appeal. [/quote]What? Oh , that was a great big-o sigh of relief from Sour Lake ;D [/quote] Nope.  The Hawks are still breathing easy that your predictions about HF have not panned out.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1175502" timestamp="1328899252"] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=95677.msg1175479#msg1175479 date=1328895816] Locally, we only have two 5A's and seven 4A's. (unless of course you include North Shore, Baytown Sterling, Livingston and any of the 19-4A teams). To complete a 16 team field you would need to add 7 more teams. Other than HJ, Silsbee, WOS and HF, who else would fill out the brackets? [/quote]Doubt if HJ will be a serious contender next year. Probably should scratch them off the list [/quote] you're right... but they won't be bad at all... still better than HF, and possibly WOS.  Include Coldspring, Cleveland, and Splendora in the tourney.  That would give it a boost.

[quote name="NB-Dawg" post="1175253" timestamp="1328839033"] [quote author=bullets13 link=topic=95677.msg1175242#msg1175242 date=1328837450] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=95677.msg1175228#msg1175228 date=1328836131] After looking at this year's results, here is my two cents: 1. HJ would prob win this silly make believe district. 2. Silsbee, Nederland, and Central would all battle for 2nd. I came to this conclusion based on the fact that: -All 3 have defeated: HF, WO-S, PNG, and Ozen (Central is 3-1 against them), sorry Dickie, just the facts!  :-\ -Silsbee beat HYCA, and HYCA beat Central. -Central beat Ned twice, Ned won one against Central. -Nederland beat Baytown Sterling, Baytown Sterling beat Silsbee -Central beat WB, WB beat Ned, and Silsbee went 1-1 against WB -Ned beat Memorial twice, Central went 1-1 against them -Ned beat Hightower, HT beat Central twice These 3 teams seem to be even, and would probably split By winning at home. [/quote] i think this is a reasonable assessment, but [b]seeing HJ struggle with Silsbee twice[/b], i honestly believe that Silsbee would finish 2nd. [/quote] How is this relevant? Nederland struggles with PNG all the time, bc we are rivals. We have not lost to them in 6 years or so, but 6 of the last 8 games were won by 5 or less. Central beat Ozen 3 times this year, but Ozen won the last meeting. I would guess that has a lot to do with their games being a rival. Silsbee and HJ are rivals in their district, hence HJ 'struggled' with them. [/quote] it's relevant because they struggled with them because they're really good, not because they're rivals.  we're not talking about 7-21 PNG keeping it close vs. nederland... we're talking about them struggling with the fastest team in the area, who's got enough talent to beat them.  comparing HJ/Silsbee to Nederland/PNG this year is like comparing apples to rocks.

[quote name="FanintheStands" post="1175243" timestamp="1328837517"] There is something about HJ's and Silsbee's press that I'm always floored by.  When I played (no, we weren't STILL using peach baskets!) we pressed all game long.  We were pressed by teams like HJ and a few others. But nobody was able to press on a missed shot.  The only time you could do a full court press was on a made shot.  I always marvel when I see teams get the rebound, turn around, and are staring into the teeth of a full court press. Of course, the answer to that would be, kick the ball out and get it up the court BEFORE they can set up the Press.  I'm not sure why I don't see that done today. [/quote] IF the team gets too preoccupied trying to get players up the court, they're gonna get burned by HJ and Silsbee on the offensive end if guys starting cheating back the other way.  Just my opinion.

[quote name="NB-Dawg" post="1175228" timestamp="1328836131"] After looking at this year's results, here is my two cents: 1. HJ would prob win this silly make believe district. 2. Silsbee, Nederland, and Central would all battle for 2nd. I came to this conclusion based on the fact that: -All 3 have defeated: HF, WO-S, PNG, and Ozen (Central is 3-1 against them), sorry Dickie, just the facts!  :-\ -Silsbee beat HYCA, and HYCA beat Central. -Central beat Ned twice, Ned won one against Central. -Nederland beat Baytown Sterling, Baytown Sterling beat Silsbee -Central beat WB, WB beat Ned, and Silsbee went 1-1 against WB -Ned beat Memorial twice, Central went 1-1 against them -Ned beat Hightower, HT beat Central twice These 3 teams seem to be even, and would probably split By winning at home. [/quote] i think this is a reasonable assessment, but seeing HJ struggle with Silsbee twice, i honestly believe that Silsbee would finish 2nd.

[quote name="NB-Dawg" post="1175222" timestamp="1328834833"] [quote author=bullets13 link=topic=95677.msg1175210#msg1175210 date=1328833189] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=95677.msg1175207#msg1175207 date=1328832450] [quote author=bullets13 link=topic=95677.msg1175196#msg1175196 date=1328831773] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=95677.msg1175191#msg1175191 date=1328831156] Its also kinda funny how Silsbee fans arent trying to make a case for dominance like a few of you guys are.. :D Seem to be getting responses from HJ people [/quote] actually, AAW did make the case for Silsbee dominance.  and there are only two HJ people on here doing the same for HJ.  It's also kinda funny that you keep ignoring the fact that HJ beat the crap out of the two best teams in 20-4A this year, and Silsbee beat the #3 team.  Yes, those two teams would be "near the top", because at the top is "near the top". [/quote] Alright buddy, I think you dont seem to get it.. I will again give the credit to HJ and Silsbee for defeating the best teams 20-4A has to offer.. I Only take offense to people assuming the dominance would be the same in this district, just because your record from your 3A district says you win lots of games.. Not buying it.. Competitive week-in and week-out, unlike you guys, who pencil in the Silsbee game so you know when you have to get players ready to play basketball.. Not saying I know everything or that I know more than the other guy, just making an opinion and adding a thought that some might want to consider [/quote] there's only three good teams in 20-4A, and 20-4A ISN'T THAT GOOD OF A 4A DISTRICT!  and HJ spanked Nederland and Central THIS YEAR.  [b]WOS played Nederland very close[/b].  HF isn't bad this year.  HJ and Silsbee just usually make them look bad.  20-4A isn't that much better than 21-3A on a whole.  and the bottom 3 of 20-4A are every bit as bad or worse than the bottom three of 21-3A, it's just that the top teams in 20-4A are more prone to playing closer games with them from time to time because THEY AREN'T as good as HJ or Silsbee THIS YEAR.  So there are three quality teams in 20-4A, and a couple of decent teams, and some very bad teams.  Realistically, Nederland should only have 2 games that are a threat for them to lose in each half of district.  For HJ it's 1 1/2, maybe, because WOS has shown from time to time they're capable of playing well against good teams.  I'm not seeing this huge advantage in quality top-to-bottom for 20-4A that you seem so hung up on.  I am, however seeing a huge advantage in the results in HJ and Silsbee vs. 20-4A THIS year.  Why that obvious advantage would not continue THIS YEAR if they were in the same district is beyond my understanding, but must be clear to you.  Oh yeah, that super-competitive district thing, right? [/quote] Nederland beat WO-S by 12, 30, and 2. They dominated in two of the games, and won on a last second shot when they last met. I think this topic is silly, but just thought some statements needed to be clarified. [/quote] so one good win out of three attempts?  a 12 point win against the 3rd or maybe 4th best team in the local 3A district is not much of a win, IMO.

[quote name="dogs1218" post="1175207" timestamp="1328832450"] [quote author=bullets13 link=topic=95677.msg1175196#msg1175196 date=1328831773] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=95677.msg1175191#msg1175191 date=1328831156] Its also kinda funny how Silsbee fans arent trying to make a case for dominance like a few of you guys are.. :D Seem to be getting responses from HJ people [/quote] actually, AAW did make the case for Silsbee dominance.  and there are only two HJ people on here doing the same for HJ.  It's also kinda funny that you keep ignoring the fact that HJ beat the crap out of the two best teams in 20-4A this year, and Silsbee beat the #3 team.  Yes, those two teams would be "near the top", because at the top is "near the top". [/quote] Alright buddy, I think you dont seem to get it.. I will again give the credit to HJ and Silsbee for defeating the best teams 20-4A has to offer.. I Only take offense to people assuming the dominance would be the same in this district, just because your record from your 3A district says you win lots of games.. Not buying it.. Competitive week-in and week-out, unlike you guys, who pencil in the Silsbee game so you know when you have to get players ready to play basketball.. Not saying I know everything or that I know more than the other guy, just making an opinion and adding a thought that some might want to consider [/quote] there's only three good teams in 20-4A, and 20-4A ISN'T THAT GOOD OF A 4A DISTRICT!  and HJ spanked Nederland and Central THIS YEAR.  WOS played Nederland very close.  HF isn't bad this year.  HJ and Silsbee just usually make them look bad.  20-4A isn't that much better than 21-3A on a whole.  and the bottom 3 of 20-4A are every bit as bad or worse than the bottom three of 21-3A, it's just that the top teams in 20-4A are more prone to playing closer games with them from time to time because THEY AREN'T as good as HJ or Silsbee THIS YEAR.  So there are three quality teams in 20-4A, and a couple of decent teams, and some very bad teams.  Realistically, Nederland should only have 2 games that are a threat for them to lose in each half of district.  For HJ it's 1 1/2, maybe, because WOS has shown from time to time they're capable of playing well against good teams.  I'm not seeing this huge advantage in quality top-to-bottom for 20-4A that you seem so hung up on.  I am, however seeing a huge advantage in the results in HJ and Silsbee vs. 20-4A THIS year.  Why that obvious advantage would not continue THIS YEAR if they were in the same district is beyond my understanding, but must be clear to you.  Oh yeah, that super-competitive district thing, right? 

[quote name="stevenash" post="1175199" timestamp="1328832037"] [quote author=bullets13 link=topic=95677.msg1175196#msg1175196 date=1328831773] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=95677.msg1175191#msg1175191 date=1328831156] Its also kinda funny how Silsbee fans arent trying to make a case for dominance like a few of you guys are.. :D Seem to be getting responses from HJ people [/quote] actually, AAW did make the case for Silsbee dominance.  and there are only two HJ people on here doing the same for HJ.  It's also kinda funny that you keep ignoring the fact that HJ beat the crap out of the two best teams in 20-4A this year, and Silsbee beat the #3 team.  Yes, those two teams would be "near the top", because at the top is "near the top". [/quote] NOBODY said HJ was a world beater.  But there are plenty who are unwilling to take the attempted discrediting of a good team without making their opinion(s) known. [/quote] or in this case, two teams, who have shown through their dominance of 20-4A THIS YEAR that they would finish 1-2 there THIS YEAR. 

[quote name="PoppaBearstarr" post="1174973" timestamp="1328806740"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=95691.msg1174717#msg1174717 date=1328755655] [img][Hidden Content]] [/quote] Thanks Nash now I feel better..... [/quote] that's nash with the glasses on the far right, isn't it?

also worth noting that Dickie V agrees, and not only is he an Ozen guy, he's coached in the district, and knows considerably more about basketball than you or i put together.

[quote name="dogs1218" post="1175191" timestamp="1328831156"] Its also kinda funny how Silsbee fans arent trying to make a case for dominance like a few of you guys are.. :D Seem to be getting responses from HJ people [/quote] actually, AAW did make the case for Silsbee dominance.  and there are only two HJ people on here doing the same for HJ.  It's also kinda funny that you keep ignoring the fact that HJ beat the crap out of the two best teams in 20-4A this year, and Silsbee beat the #3 team.  Yes, those two teams would be "near the top", because at the top is "near the top".

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1175178" timestamp="1328829729"] [quote author=bullets13 link=topic=95677.msg1175172#msg1175172 date=1328829131] speaking of elite, we're not going to put an elite tag on a team that's been to state twice, and regionals what 5 times, in the last 6 years?  that's 34-1 this year, and 8-0 against the local district a classification up, including two wins totalling nearly a 40-point margin against the best two teams in that district?  your bias is showing, and it's irrational.  the same argument can be made for silsbee.  they've been to regionals nearly every year in the past 5 or 6, and have represented our area at state.  they're not one of the elite local teams?  i guess you think it should be Nederland, because they're looking for a 3-peat in a district that hasn't been strong in 5 years?  you got it, then. [b] Nederland's the elite team in the area[/b], they just aren't as good as the two best teams in 21-3A, and if they had to play each team twice in district, they'd be lucky to pull out 1 win in the 4 games this year. [/quote] No they are not.... ::)...elite? NO...they are a good, well coached team..Elite? they are not... [/quote]  :-X  just trying to tell him what he wants to hear ;)

SO again, HJ's beaten the top two teams in 20-4A by a combined 40 points, and also beaten the #3 team badly in a scrimmage, and the #4 team four separate times this season.  Worth noting that the best team in 20-4A also only beat the #3 team in 21-3A by two earlier in the year, and also that Nederland made their blowout loss to HJ slightly more respectable when HJ put their mop-up players in the game in the 4th.  Silsbee has a win against the #3 team in 20-4A, and has beaten Central 3 times in a row and Ozen 3 of the last 4 times they've played.  Why is it so silly to think that these two teams would have such a tough time transitioning into 20-4A and winning and taking second in that district this year?

speaking of elite, we're not going to put an elite tag on a team that's been to state twice, and regionals what 5 times, in the last 6 years?  that's 34-1 this year, and 8-0 against the local district a classification up, including two wins totalling nearly a 40-point margin against the best two teams in that district?  your bias is showing, and it's irrational.  the same argument can be made for silsbee.  they've been to regionals nearly every year in the past 5 or 6, and have represented our area at state.  they're not one of the elite local teams?  i guess you think it should be Nederland, because they're looking for a 3-peat in a district that hasn't been strong in 5 years?  you got it, then.  Nederland's the elite team in the area, they just aren't as good as the two best teams in 21-3A, and if they had to play each team twice in district, they'd be lucky to pull out 1 win in the 4 games this year.

i don't have a problem with them playing OR flipping.  i'd love to see HJ and Silsbee get a huge challenge right before playoffs to get their frame of mind back to competitive basketball, and away from the blowouts they've lined up in district.  that being said, i can also understand a coach wanting to flip and avoid wearing the kids out, or maybe lining up a warmup game against a lesser opponent to work on some things against a team of the caliber that they'll be playing in the first round or two.  as a fan, i'd love to watch a 3rd game between HJ and Silsbee.

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1174847" timestamp="1328795060"] What about the players, Bullets? I mean are you in agreement with them standing in a line and placing their right hands on each others shoulders? THAT is who the PNG guy that started this nonsense was talking about...the players on the floor. [/quote] if they're showing solidarity as a team, and also making some sort of gesture that shows they are still honoring the flag, i don't have a problem with it.  if they're goofing off, joking, talking, whatever, that's a different matter.

HJ and Silsbee are better.  hard to blame it on their style.  I don't know if seeing something 4 times a year in a schedule of 30 games would really help 20-4A all that much to prepare.  that insane press would still be something they wouldn't get used to.  i also have to agree with nash who pointed out that both silsbee and HJ have at least 3 starters that would start at just about any school in 20-4A as well.  it may not be the case every year, but this year HJ and Silsbee would finish 1-2 in that district.  They're a combined 10-0 against that district, and 7-0 against the top-4.  with all three top teams each losing a game to 21-3A, plus Ozen getting absolutely run by HJ in a scrimmage (yes, i know they don't count), i'd say that it's pretty obvious what would happen if the two 3A teams moved up into that district.  and the only viable argument i've seen is that the more competitive 20-4A schedule would possibly give their teams an edge over HJ and Silsbee at this point, which would be a moot point had HJ and Silsbee been in that district and played the same tougher schedule.