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Every team in baseball had steroid junkies, including the astros. During that era it was essentially a level playing field, because EVERY team had multiple players juicing. It's called "The Steroid Era" for a reason. If it came out that the rangers were all using steroids, and only a couple of other players in the league were, and they won a world series, I would look at things differently. Likewise, if all 30 teams were going to extreme measures in 2017 to steal and relay signs (not your typical runner on 2nd situation), I would look at the whole situation differently.

Is there some proof out there that Garcia has cheated? Even any discussion of it being a possibility? Because if not, this is a ridiculous question designed to once again try and minimize the seriousness of Altuve's (and the astros as a whole) mistakes.

It's certainly a mixture. Great players can only overcome so much poor coaching, but in the same breadth, great coaching can only elevate marginal players so far. The players are the most important part, because you'll never win without them, but the coaches will play an important role.

the only reason I brought it up is because I keep hearing all the astros fans talking about how classless Garcia is for celebrating a home run, while in the same breath acting like Altuve is the flawless messiah of baseball. In that instance, it's worth noting that, despite Altuve being a great player and a great guy, he's done far worse than Garcia has ever done.

I suppose a loose argument could be made that success leads to more success, so if their first success was tainted, then future success is attached to that. I don't really agree with that with the stros. they've kept this going mostly on the shoulders of drafting well and developing players through their farm system, and have kept it up despite losing big name players along the way.

that cuts both ways. The astros have hit signficantly better than the rangers with runners on base this series, and their bullpen has been a significant factor in 2 of the 3 astros wins. Seager and Semien have been awful with RISP. but that's just part of playoff baseball. Throughout any season guys are going to have 10 game stretches where they aren't that good.

I'm completely over it. It's the reason they're not my "second" team anymore, but I don't care anything about it at this point, and didn't care much to begin with. It wasn't like they stole a world series from my team. And they're undeniably a great team who's been on a great run. I just think the revisionist history that some (most) Astros fans like to use is funny. Your post is a perfect example, where the "classless" Garcia should learn a thing from Altuve, who in the eyes of many Houston fans, has never done anything wrong. I respect the crap out of his game, and he's a good guy, but there's too big of a mark by his name for you guys to keep lifting him up as the symbol of all that is good and virtuous with the game.

these types of comments kinda crack me up, and I've seen a lot of them. Garcia pimped the biggest homerun of his life, Altuve was complicit in one of the bigger cheating scandals in the history of baseball. I guess it's all relative to who you root for. I didn't like Garcia's antics, but come on. Altuve does play the game hard, and he's clutch, and seems like a genuinely good guy, but that said, there was nothing classy about what went on in 2017-2018.

I feel the same way. Would rather let Dunning get the start. although if he can get through 3 or 4 innings without giving up much then dunning can take over.

No worries. Hadn’t seen the results yet today or I would’ve self-reported

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Jeez

How did they score 12 in OT? Return an INT or something?

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Could sure use this pickem. Let’s go stangs!

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Silsbee is really good. Need to clean some stuff up. A whole lot of chirping after every big play is gonna cost them at some point when they run into some officials that aren’t in the mood for it.

Silsbee clearly a step above, but the horns are gonna leave knowing they left some opportunities on the field. Good luck to the tigers moving forward, and hopefully we meet you guys again.

Wow

I don’t understand Kirbyville this season

HF made the play to get right back in it and then gave it right back. Big play for Silsbee there

You have 4th and goal from 6 inches out, there’s no need for tricky formation nonsense and snapping it from the shotgun. Line up under center and punch it in.

HF did everything they needed to do to stay in this one, and everything they needed to do to lose it in the first half. Pretty good defense, two great drives, and two bad mistakes inside the 5.

This broadcast must be on a huge delay for me

Horns drove the length of the field but fumbled inside the 5. Needed to come away with something there