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[quote name="Sportsfan1968" post="1189057" timestamp="1330549080"] [quote author=falconfanatic link=topic=96866.msg1188981#msg1188981 date=1330545805] [quote author=baseball25 link=topic=96866.msg1188877#msg1188877 date=1330538215] its ok to throw that many in a playoff game or mid district time, but its not ok if you do it 3 or 4 times during the season, because its going to take a toll on your arm sooner or later, here is a good article [Hidden Content] [/quote] Quote from the article " More pitchers are on the disabled list today than ever before. It's a paradox: The less they throw, the more often they get hurt." So pitchers are throwing less than ever before, but they are getting hurt more. Hmm maybe they shouldn't be relying on pitch counts. [/quote] Lots of those injuries, and I agree there are a lot of them aren't necessarily overuse related like:  ligaments and tendons in the shoulder and elbow obviously are.  Lots of pitchers are spending more time getting stronger for obvious reasons and not as much time working the pitching related motions.  You hear more about muscle injuries like obliques, back muscles, etc.  Their bodies can't take the torque that their strength and mechanics can generate.  It seems with emphasis on pitch count, it seems to suggest less work on pitching or even work in general which I don't believe is the point.  The point being to reduce the number of needless hardcore repetitions on your arm which has proven to do damage and continue to do damage if not given enough time to recover.  Wouldn't it be nice to know that magic total number of throws each arm had and you could ration them over what ever career God intended for it to have???  It just seems a waste in the scheme of things to "not" use common sense and attempt to preserve one of God's gifts "an electrifying arm" so that it may be used for as long as possible, providing one with a higher education and perhaps a living not to mention hours of spectator enjoyment.  I do agree however that it is a paradox, but still not worth not trying to do right by these young men.  I just think coaches shouldn't ignore it. [/quote] It is several things that can make or break a pitching arm. Strength, flexibility, mechanics and usage.  To make it one has to have the right cocktail of all four. For you non-adult beverage folks, that would mean the right mix.  To much of one and not enough of the other sends things out of balance and arms are at risk of injury.  We can control the mechanics and usage...and increase  strength as well as flexibility, but the construction and expiration date are somewhat a wild card in the mix.  Not to go on and on, bottom line we need Coaches and Parents to give special attention the mix and not just the trophy.

Guys this is simple...every reputable arm specialist, coach, pro ect...all say pitch count is very important. Not only at the little league level, but High School as well.  165 pitches one time may not hurt a kid or it could. I know in today's day and time, coaches are being pushed to win...job depends on it! Districts and coaches need to know it's not worth hurting a kid! There is always going to be the exception to the rule...but as a general rule 165 pitches on a kids arm is not a good thing and should be questioned by a kids parents. I can tell you this...My kid is a lefty with a strong arm and has the potential for next level stuff...so 165 pitches would not go over real well with me.  Next level or not, you have to ask yourself: Is it worth?

All the noise from the dugout has become so normal that most pitchers have just learned to ignore it!  Fans will just have to learn to do the same, because UIL is not going to rule on it anytime soon.  We throw bullpens with guys standing around the pitcher yelling at him.  Not really, but good idea!

Kountze kids are so conditioned and fast...They can press and press and seem to run like the energizer bunny...will be a good game! Hope they keep the focus and keep moving through the ranks.

It is sad when a young 15 year old freshman is beat-up on by a bunch of lack luster ex-ballplayers who did not have half the talent this kid has got.  Before anyone says it...I am not from Buna...just a person ashamed of how people are acting. To the Freshman pitcher for Buna...you keep it up and keep your chin and don't let any of this junk bother you. To the HF player who hit the bomb...great hit! 

I think they are going to have to start a new column in the record books...actually two columns...pre-bbcore and post-bbcore.  It has and will change the game that much.  Real batters will shine and marginal batters will suffer and poor batters will die on the vine. I think even pitchers will have better numbers.  I think it is a domino effect. Less hits, fewer base runners, fewer stolen bases equals less runs scored. The best and most trained will rise to the top and be easier to identify. The players who only pick-up a baseball or bat when it's season will struggle.  Before anyone points out an exception...I agree there will be exceptions as always...talking vast majorities

Joe Clark did come in behind Walden...One has to remember that the runners that scored were not his even if he did give up the hit that scored and walked in one run.  From what I understand he did strike one out.  Don't know if he batted or not.

I thought they had to record an out.

I think the pitcher at question is Freshman, Joe Clark.  I don't know if Coach T has finalized varsity roster???? As far as Ethan Franklin...I think he is going to be something to deal with at the plate and the mound. I know his performance at the plate was not stellar, but I have seen that kid more times than not, knock people down, hitting.  I think he will be fine...one game makes not a track record. 

Hype...wow it is an issue. I have a freshman ball player who is on varsity at Kountze and I am ready to see some proven on the field. I hope this year is great for all these kids...I hope all my franchise ball players are amoung the best this year, because that would be a big pay-off for all those Spring, Summer and Fall road trips! Anyway season should be great district wide, because I don't think any one team has a lock on anything.  That's why we play the game and the cream will rise to the top.  One comment on Franchise and ATM...Franchise is a realist and he speaks his mind.  I know, as much as he loves my son and my son loves him as one of the best coaches he has played for, Franchise will not give credit where not deserved.  I dont' think he meant anything negative about returning talent coming back for Buna, just being real...heard all the hype lets get it done now!  Chad and several others created a team with the sole purpose of one day bettering Buna Baseball, so I know tearing it down is the last thing he would do.  The down side to that for me is my son now has to play aginst them...glad it's for only one season.  ATM, I know your a Buna backer as well and I hope Kountze too and thanks for the positive words about my son... Proud of yours for gettings things done and making it to the next level...hope mine has that chance! 

Any team that has pitching...accurate pitching, meaning throw strikes, because you can't defend balls. A team that does that will go far.  Any team that has multiple left hand guys will have a grand opportunity. I know Terier, in Buna, thinks just because he says it...it will be true...Buna does not not have a lock on #6.  They do have several good players that came from the Franchise program, Palmer, Richardson, Clark and Franklin. Franklin is really the only ready pitcher at this point as far as freshman...my point...all 2a schools in this district have pitching but how deep and accurate is the question.