Dick Vitale

[quote name="NB-Dawg" post="1185613" timestamp="1330191226"] Name ONE kid on this year's team who attended a PAISD school, ONE!! U can't! For the past two years all that we have heard is how bad Nederland will be after all of the PA kids graduate. Well it didn't happen and those who said it are hiding in their shells now. Yes, I would bet my next paycheck on that one, and I'm sure Nash would too! [/quote] Ohh, but I thought ALL OF THE NEDERLAND KIDS grew up in the NISD schools?? ::) ::)...The Rodgers kid went to elementary school in Port Arthur... ::)....Second of all, if you are willing to bet your paycheck on something you know NOTHING about, I have some ocean front property that I would like to sell you off the PA sea wall... ::)

[quote name="NB-Dawg" post="1185598" timestamp="1330189803"] Yes! They all attended elementary and middle schools under NISD which led them to the HS in which they attend today. Nederland (or any rural-type school) does not have the luxury that Yates has in Houston ISD. [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=96657.msg1185594#msg1185594 date=1330189505] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96657.msg1185588#msg1185588 date=1330188914] Aha! Just as I expected. In no way was I even saying that whatsoever!! My point is that not ALL of these kids grew up in the 'Yates' zone. Are you going to tell me that all of these kids went to elementary and middle school together? my point is that they were all recruited to go to Yates high school. Under normal circumstances, they would be very similar to other teams in their district. It would be like Beaumont Central going out and recruiting players to come play for them all the way from North Shore to Tyler Texas. Let's put a team together and that covers a geographical area and see how they compete against Yates. Like I said, a college like team. Has nothing to do with their race or their age... [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=96657.msg1185565#msg1185565 date=1330187275] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96657.msg1185557#msg1185557 date=1330186174] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=96657.msg1185504#msg1185504 date=1330179520] Yates defeats the second state ranked team in a row by 40... ::). Ironically they have the toughest bracket and make it look so easy... [/quote] I wonder why? Any college team should be able to be a HS team. Yates is a disgrace to HS basketball. I don't understand how you can get on here and boast about an AAW team/Collegiate team whipping up on a HS team? It's time someone steps up and does what is right, and have them disqualified!  >:( [/quote] About the response I expected...first of all those kids are ALL ELIGIBLE, HIGH SCHOOL AGED KIDS....FACT..To call those kids "college kids" because they are good is just ignorant.  If it were illegal, they would have BEEN REPORTED...You people on here make assuptions about these kids that are not factual or fair to them...They are JUST LIKE YOUR NEDERLAND KIDS...Coach Wise is a heck of a coach...I wonder if those kids were at Kingwood or Katy, would you deem them ILLEGAL... ::) ::)..Just a thought. NB-Dawg, that was not a very intelligent or well thought out post...Come on, they are just THAT good AND well coached...Stop trying to scandalize them because they are... :( [/quote] [/quote] Thats not how it works in Houston! NO ONE I played with at Madison went to Jr. High with me! Thats not even possible in Beaumont, let alone Houston...These are not "one horse, one light" towns where all of the kids go to elementary and middle school together! Did the Nederland kids go to elementary and middle school together, since you asked? NO...Dawg you are reaching for straws here... ::) [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96657.msg1185592#msg1185592 date=1330189270] That geographical area that I am referring to is equivalent to the population in the Houston area in which Yates he has the ability to recruit from. H ISD has thousands of kids to choose from, and being a "magnet school" they can 'legally' allow anyone to enroll there if they so choose. Tell me how that is 'fair'?? [/quote] There is no "recruiting" involved...and as far as "fair" goes, last I checked, Nederland had more students to pick from than Yates...Fair? They are both 4A schools, are they not...Yates has to compete with 50+ other Houston AREA high schools for kids...Nederland gets all of theirs, plus some of Port Arthurs too! Fair? Try again, my friend... ::) [/quote] [/quote] LIES... ::) ::)...Uh-Hem...Port Arthur ISD is the neighboring district in which some of those NISD kids (student athletes) USED to attend....Come on, man... ::) [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96657.msg1185600#msg1185600 date=1330189911] [quote author=BADSANTA link=topic=96657.msg1185597#msg1185597 date=1330189764] Because they are Black! Keep it real son! [/quote] Seriously BS?? Race is NOT what this is about. It's about recruiting. Sounds like u are the one focused on race, not me. [/quote] Question: Dawg, would you bet your next paycheck that you can prove Yates recruited ANYBODY?

[quote name="NB-Dawg" post="1185595" timestamp="1330189540"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=96654.msg1185583#msg1185583 date=1330188545] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=96654.msg1185570#msg1185570 date=1330187622] Dickie- if you truly believe what you just said, lets make the bet this (since you obviously can't lose)  You give me points equal to 70% of what Ozens last winning margin was over Nederland, and I bet $100 to your $20. [/quote] You and I will discuss that..I have no issue with it...It amazes me how people make assumptions about Yates, yet have no REAL clue or evidence as to what they are talking about.... ??? [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96654.msg1185579#msg1185579 date=1330188297] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=96654.msg1185567#msg1185567 date=1330187386] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96654.msg1185544#msg1185544 date=1330184541] Ned is playing like they did in mid January. Dawgs by 7. Since Ozen finished ahead of Ned in the 'Dirty Dozen' I'm certain 20-4A's [s]runner-up[/s] 3rd place team will be the favorite against District 20-4A's co-champs.  ::)  ::) [/quote] Your mighty CO-champs got their behinds handed to them the last time they played this Ozen team, too...Get off of it Dawg...You know what it is... [/quote] Yawn!  ::) and remind me of where that game was played?? Oh ya, AT Ozen-not an ez place to win. What happened in Nederland in January, DV?? Let's see what happens on a neutral court. Oh ya, remember u said u would stop demeaning the Dawgs? Guess what, u just did it again with Ur 'mighty co-champ' comment. [/quote] Since when is "mighty" a demeaning word? :o...are you kidding me? [/quote] By emphasizing the 'co' part of champs. How can u NOT admit that?? EVERYONE on this board except for you can clearly see this. [/quote] Is that NOT what your team was this year? CO-CHAMPS? Really, man? :o

[quote name="NB-Dawg" post="1185588" timestamp="1330188914"] Aha! Just as I expected. In no way was I even saying that whatsoever!! My point is that not ALL of these kids grew up in the 'Yates' zone. Are you going to tell me that all of these kids went to elementary and middle school together? my point is that they were all recruited to go to Yates high school. Under normal circumstances, they would be very similar to other teams in their district. It would be like Beaumont Central going out and recruiting players to come play for them all the way from North Shore to Tyler Texas. Let's put a team together and that covers a geographical area and see how they compete against Yates. Like I said, a college like team. Has nothing to do with their race or their age... [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=96657.msg1185565#msg1185565 date=1330187275] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96657.msg1185557#msg1185557 date=1330186174] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=96657.msg1185504#msg1185504 date=1330179520] Yates defeats the second state ranked team in a row by 40... ::). Ironically they have the toughest bracket and make it look so easy... [/quote] I wonder why? Any college team should be able to be a HS team. Yates is a disgrace to HS basketball. I don't understand how you can get on here and boast about an AAW team/Collegiate team whipping up on a HS team? It's time someone steps up and does what is right, and have them disqualified!  >:( [/quote] About the response I expected...first of all those kids are ALL ELIGIBLE, HIGH SCHOOL AGED KIDS....FACT..To call those kids "college kids" because they are good is just ignorant.  If it were illegal, they would have BEEN REPORTED...You people on here make assuptions about these kids that are not factual or fair to them...They are JUST LIKE YOUR NEDERLAND KIDS...Coach Wise is a heck of a coach...I wonder if those kids were at Kingwood or Katy, would you deem them ILLEGAL... ::) ::)..Just a thought. NB-Dawg, that was not a very intelligent or well thought out post...Come on, they are just THAT good AND well coached...Stop trying to scandalize them because they are... :( [/quote] [/quote] Thats not how it works in Houston! NO ONE I played with at Madison went to Jr. High with me! Thats not even possible in Beaumont, let alone Houston...These are not "one horse, one light" towns where all of the kids go to elementary and middle school together! Did the Nederland kids go to elementary and middle school together, since you asked? NO...Dawg you are reaching for straws here... ::) [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96657.msg1185592#msg1185592 date=1330189270] That geographical area that I am referring to is equivalent to the population in the Houston area in which Yates he has the ability to recruit from. H ISD has thousands of kids to choose from, and being a "magnet school" they can 'legally' allow anyone to enroll there if they so choose. Tell me how that is 'fair'?? [/quote] There is no "recruiting" involved...and as far as "fair" goes, last I checked, Nederland had more students to pick from than Yates...Fair? They are both 4A schools, are they not?...Yates has to compete with 50+ other Houston AREA high schools for kids...Nederland gets all of theirs, plus some of Port Arthurs too! Fair? Try again, my friend... ::)

[quote name="stevenash" post="1185585" timestamp="1330188648"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=96657.msg1185576#msg1185576 date=1330188210] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=96657.msg1185571#msg1185571 date=1330187702] Dickie- Why do you think this stuff is continually brought up about Yates and only Yates? [/quote] People FEAR what they don't UNDERSTAND... [/quote] That's a great "saying" but it doesn't really address my question.  You mentioned a couple of other teams that were dominant at one time or another.  Why didn't people have similar concerns/suspicions?  After all, there are other successful situations where, as you said, people feared and didnt understand. [/quote] Nash I know that you and I are capable of having an intellectual conversation about this issue, but If I POSTED it on here I am afraid it will be taken in the wrong way...Just understand that we are talking about two TOTALLY different situations, yet they are the same...as they SHOULD be...But in the eyes of some...its not.  Kingwood...3rd Ward...Katy...3rd Ward...Southlake Carroll...3rd Ward....Oak Cliff (Dallas).....Aledo....all mentioned areas have had some degree of dominance in football or basketball, yet only TWO of these has had people to question them, with one of them having their titles stripped....why? Good question...

[quote name="stevenash" post="1185570" timestamp="1330187622"] Dickie- if you truly believe what you just said, lets make the bet this (since you obviously can't lose)  You give me points equal to 70% of what Ozens last winning margin was over Nederland, and I bet $100 to your $20. [/quote] You and I will discuss that..I have no issue with it...It amazes me how people make assumptions about Yates, yet have no REAL clue or evidence as to what they are talking about.... ??? [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96654.msg1185579#msg1185579 date=1330188297] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=96654.msg1185567#msg1185567 date=1330187386] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96654.msg1185544#msg1185544 date=1330184541] Ned is playing like they did in mid January. Dawgs by 7. Since Ozen finished ahead of Ned in the 'Dirty Dozen' I'm certain 20-4A's [s]runner-up[/s] 3rd place team will be the favorite against District 20-4A's co-champs.  ::)  ::) [/quote] Your mighty CO-champs got their behinds handed to them the last time they played this Ozen team, too...Get off of it Dawg...You know what it is... [/quote] Yawn!  ::) and remind me of where that game was played?? Oh ya, AT Ozen-not an ez place to win. What happened in Nederland in January, DV?? Let's see what happens on a neutral court. Oh ya, remember u said u would stop demeaning the Dawgs? Guess what, u just did it again with Ur 'mighty co-champ' comment. [/quote] Since when is "mighty" a demeaning word? :o...are you kidding me?

[quote name="stevenash" post="1185571" timestamp="1330187702"] Dickie- Why do you think this stuff is continually brought up about Yates and only Yates? [/quote] People FEAR what they don't UNDERSTAND...

[quote name="NB-Dawg" post="1185549" timestamp="1330185264"] [quote author=Baller 93 link=topic=96634.msg1185542#msg1185542 date=1330184417] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96634.msg1185404#msg1185404 date=1330145720] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=96634.msg1185401#msg1185401 date=1330145433] NB-Dawg...they beat Dayton and Magnolia....Yates played WHEATLEY AND MANVEL....BOTH state ranked....bad...come on, I know you understand what I am saying here....if not....play them....you will then, I guarantee.... ;) [/quote] That is not the topic of discussion. You are trying to change the subject. This is NOT about any individual team. This is about 20-4a NOT being the worst 4A district in the state as you boldly claimed. Everyone knows you said it, now you are attempting to deter the conversation. Not gonna happen. I'm going to celebrate, good night!  ;) Hey, I'm not mad at u, DV, and I don't disagree about Yates being all that, bc I know they are... I have no problem admitting that. [/quote] Great Point NB-Dawg!!  Go Look at Yates District from top to bottom and tell me if that distict is any good?! HISD teams arent as good anymore cause all there good basketball players move to Yates. No balance in Talent, Just Yates!!!!      Playoff Teams Remaining Counter:  20-4A:[b] 3[/b]    21-4A:[b] 1[/b] [/quote] I don't understand how someone can come on this board and talk smack about a college team being better than a HS team. Of course they are better, they recruit their bball players to play basketball. What a joke! How is it that nobody has 'busted' them yet? I know Nash said it will stop next year when those from 3A are watching. I hope he's right, but curious as to how he (or others) plan to do this? I'm all for it, I'm just concerned this type of behavior will continue next year. BTW-Ned was the far superior team last night. They had one kid (#10) who could GO! He probably had 30. Other than that, not much. Weisbrod tore up their 6'8" kid. Not sure how they were 5 point favorites?  ??? [/quote] STOP MAKING ACCUSATIONS THAT YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT....If they were recruiting, as much as they have won, it would have come out by now...what you are doing is COWARDLY....Creating an excuse BEFORE you get your team gets their socks blown off by them is weak! You KNOW that the UIL would NOT allow ANY classification to just play ILLEGAL players year after year...Was Katy recruiting in football? How about Kingwood a few years ago? Of course not...THEY are in the wrong neighborhood for that, right? >:(... [quote author=Baller 93 link=topic=96634.msg1185542#msg1185542 date=1330184417] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96634.msg1185404#msg1185404 date=1330145720] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=96634.msg1185401#msg1185401 date=1330145433] NB-Dawg...they beat Dayton and Magnolia....Yates played WHEATLEY AND MANVEL....BOTH state ranked....bad...come on, I know you understand what I am saying here....if not....play them....you will then, I guarantee.... ;) [/quote] That is not the topic of discussion. You are trying to change the subject. This is NOT about any individual team. This is about 20-4a NOT being the worst 4A district in the state as you boldly claimed. Everyone knows you said it, now you are attempting to deter the conversation. Not gonna happen. I'm going to celebrate, good night!  ;) Hey, I'm not mad at u, DV, and I don't disagree about Yates being all that, bc I know they are... I have no problem admitting that. [/quote] Great Point NB-Dawg!!  Go Look at Yates District from top to bottom and tell me if that distict is any good?! HISD teams arent as good anymore cause all there good basketball players move to Yates. No balance in Talent, Just Yates!!!!      Playoff Teams Remaining Counter:  20-4A:[b] 3[/b]    21-4A:[b] 1[/b] [/quote] If 20-4A played ANY team state ranked it would be the same outcome...Yes, Yates district was not strong either, BUT they are BEATING THE HECK OUTTA THEM LIKE THEY ARE NOT GOOD...THATS the difference...I will be willing to bet you that at the end, that "weak" district out of Houston, will have a team standing after next weeks games...Now you wanna count THAT? ;)

[quote name="stevenash" post="1185566" timestamp="1330187354"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=96657.msg1185565#msg1185565 date=1330187275] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96657.msg1185557#msg1185557 date=1330186174] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=96657.msg1185504#msg1185504 date=1330179520] Yates defeats the second state ranked team in a row by 40... ::). Ironically they have the toughest bracket and make it look so easy... [/quote] I wonder why? Any college team should be able to be a HS team. Yates is a disgrace to HS basketball. I don't understand how you can get on here and boast about an AAW team/Collegiate team whipping up on a HS team? It's time someone steps up and does what is right, and have them disqualified!  >:( [/quote] About the response I expected...first of all those kids are ALL ELIGIBLE, HIGH SCHOOL AGED KIDS....FACT..To call those kids "college kids" because they are good is just ignorant.  If it were illegal, they would have BEEN REPORTED...You people on here make assuptions about these kids that are not factual or fair to them...They are JUST LIKE YOUR NEDERLAND KIDS...Coach Wise is a heck of a coach...I wonder if those kids were at Kingwood or Katy, would you deem them ILLEGAL... ::) ::)..Just a thought. NB-Dawg, that was not a very intelligent or well thought out post...Come on, they are just THAT good AND well coached...Stop trying to scandalize them because they are... :( [/quote] Come on Dawg, quite being unjustifiably jealous. [/quote] They ARE! Katy has dominated in football for YEARS and no one has questioned them or called them "illegal"..To some they were just "good and well coached"...."great program"...Kingwood made back to back state trips a few years ago, (with Wise's SONS, by the way) and no fuss was made about it...Not a bit..but since its YATES....They are "illegal"...thats just dumb.

[quote name="NB-Dawg" post="1185544" timestamp="1330184541"] Ned is playing like they did in mid January. Dawgs by 7. Since Ozen finished ahead of Ned in the 'Dirty Dozen' I'm certain 20-4A's [s]runner-up[/s] 3rd place team will be the favorite against District 20-4A's co-champs.  ::)  ::) [/quote] Your mighty CO-champs got their behinds handed to them the last time they played this Ozen team, too...Get off of it Dawg...You know what it is...

[quote name="NB-Dawg" post="1185557" timestamp="1330186174"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=96657.msg1185504#msg1185504 date=1330179520] Yates defeats the second state ranked team in a row by 40... ::). Ironically they have the toughest bracket and make it look so easy... [/quote] I wonder why? Any college team should be able to be a HS team. Yates is a disgrace to HS basketball. I don't understand how you can get on here and boast about an AAW team/Collegiate team whipping up on a HS team? It's time someone steps up and does what is right, and have them disqualified!  >:( [/quote] About the response I expected...first of all those kids are ALL ELIGIBLE, HIGH SCHOOL AGED KIDS....FACT..To call those kids "college kids" because they are good is just ignorant.  If it were illegal, they would have BEEN REPORTED...You people on here make assuptions about these kids that are not factual or fair to them...They are JUST LIKE YOUR NEDERLAND KIDS...Coach Wise is a heck of a coach...I wonder if those kids were at Kingwood or Katy, would you deem them ILLEGAL... ::) ::)..Just a thought. NB-Dawg, that was not a very intelligent or well thought out post...Come on, they are just THAT good AND well coached...Stop trying to scandalize them because they are... :(

[quote name="stevenash" post="1185505" timestamp="1330179547"] Soulja- I will cover you for $20 also under one condition.  If I lose, I pay $40 to you and you deliver the $20 to Dicky so I don't have to face him. [/quote] Now why wouldn't you want to face me? 8)....I'm taking this bet...too easy! Ozen, although not the same, will beat them...again.... RESTORING ORDER IN 20-4A!

Yates defeats the second state ranked team in a row by 40... ::). Ironically they have the toughest bracket and make it look so easy...

NB-Dawg...they beat Dayton and Magnolia....Yates played WHEATLEY AND MANVEL....BOTH state ranked....bad...come on, I know you understand what I am saying here....if not....play them....you will then, I guarantee.... ;)

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="1185386" timestamp="1330144495"] DV this is the Regional Quarters........not the Regional Tournament yet.  Two teams will decide where to play!!!!  I was hoping for Monday night so that I could broadcast this game!!! :-\ :-\ [/quote] I KNEW that...I was explaining that to someone else....Come on, man , you know I know better!! 8)

[quote name="5 on 5" post="1185358" timestamp="1330141982"] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96634.msg1185345#msg1185345 date=1330141459] Playing Ozen Tuesday night, but nobody knows where yet. [/quote] I thought it was to be at the Merrill (sp) center where we played Galveston Ball last year?.......or can coaches agree on a local site? [/quotThat would be the Regional Tournament...not there yet...

[quote name="texas2step4u" post="1185322" timestamp="1330140535"] DV, can you just give congrats to teams for winning?  Jeez, enough already.  I think everybody knows that Yates is an incredible team blah blah blah...... Im very proud of how well district 20-4A has represented themselves in these playoffs.  Even if it all comes apart after next week, Im still proud of em...DV, not so much [/quote] Now wait a minute!! I was PULLED into this darn thread! Had no intentions of even commenting about this game! READ IT!  >:(

Yates is waiting.... ::)...they are a little better than Dayton and Magnolia...just a bit.... ::)

My kinda guy!! ;)...I see NOTHING wrong with this approach! Especially trying to get a program off of the ground...Great stock! He is DEFINITELY a coach's son!! ;D

[quote name="HJ2012" post="1184539" timestamp="1330102735"] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=96569.msg1184535#msg1184535 date=1330102543] [quote author=HJ2012 link=topic=96569.msg1184532#msg1184532 date=1330102395] Oh, Hamshire Fannett definitely as far as 3A goes. To knock of West Orange in the manner they did, and then the thrashing of Cleveland (who, just last year, played HJ in a really close game in Baytown) just shows that they have come a long way. And, I really am pulling for HF to beat Navasota. [b]I think that would be awesome for HF to go to Regionals after all of the adversity they had to overcome this season. Go Horns![/b] [/quote] In order for Hamshire-Fannett to go to regionals they would not only have to beat Navasota, but also beat the winner of HJ and Sealy. ;) [/quote] I consider the Regional Quarterfinals to be Regionals. They may not be playing in Huntsville, but the banner would still say REGIONAL Quarterfinalist.  ;) [/quote] These are the banners that teams put up when they have no regional titles.... ;D 8)

3A - Hamshire Fannett 4A - Beaumont Central 5A - PA Memorial

[quote name="86hawk" post="1184500" timestamp="1330099791"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=96473.msg1184449#msg1184449 date=1330096928] You should get Dickies cell phone number so you can text updates to him. [/quote] I have noticed he is a HUGE supporter of the Nederland Basketball Program. [/quote] Of course I am! Good luck at Kingwood Park tonight, Dogs! I will be at Deer Park watching Memorial face FB Travis...I will be following all of the games via my cell phone though! Regardless of WHAT is said, the name of the game at this time of year is ADVANCE and MOVE TO THE NEXT ROUND! ;)...Go get em!

Thanks a lot! I thought it was quite non controversial myself!! ;D ;D

Not always, but it is never good to play ALL down in the pre-season...It gives your team a false sense of who they are...Some would call it confidence, but I have always believed that in order to be the best, you should play the best possible teams available...Scheduling is not always easy for good programs, however, due to the fact, no one wants to play you if they don't have to! I think you should have a balance as well when scheduling pre season games...you don't want to make your guys lose confidence by playing UP so much either...You should play games that your kids can get something out of...For example if I were a 3A program, I would find at least 1 majority 4A/5A tournament, just for the experience...The other two, I would just find good solid tournaments, regardless of classification...Being in SE Texas, you are kind of limited in pre season match ups, unless you are willing to travel for single games...If you can travel, do it, but I think there is enough competition in the area to have a decent pre district schedule that will test your team. Sometimes you can get the best work out of your team in pre season, by simply focusing on what YOU do...and concentrate on improving.

[quote name="stevenash" post="1184450" timestamp="1330096997"] Rockdale not that good [/quote] Neither is Nederland.... ::) ::)... ;D....good luck tonight, Hawks!