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[quote name="westend1" post="1227860" timestamp="1338559631"] If his team had worked a little more on half-court defense, maybe he would have had another ring this last year.      :o [/quote] This is true, but they missed 7 straight free throws down the stretch when Kimball was down and started fouling intentionally, which was NOT their M.O., and that hurt them as well.

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1227850" timestamp="1338558556"] I'm sorry, but there is never, ever a reason to press when up by 90. [/quote] I agree, but I know his rationale...Thats what he has always believed...HIS team and the improvement of it is the most important thing to him....I don't necessarily agree with it, but I understand another coach's rationale...Thats surprising, because he is from my dad's coaching tree, and he absolutely does not believe in that sort of thing...When I played for my dad, and we were up on a team big, we (starters) might not see the floor in the 4th, and we were working on ZONE defenses!  :D

[quote name="westend1" post="1227841" timestamp="1338557706"] I understand his excuses.  Still, you ask why people want to see them fail.  [/quote] I understand...but Wise could care less about that kind of stuff...He is a good coach, and has established a really good basketball program over there...Hate it or love it...he is getting it done... 8)

Who are THE top 5 returners for next season? in order!! AAW? I think I can give this one a shot, but I want to compare it to yours!! Mine is coming shortly!

[quote name="westend1" post="1227829" timestamp="1338556557"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=100318.msg1227775#msg1227775 date=1338517241] [quote author=westend1 link=topic=100318.msg1227632#msg1227632 date=1338490215] Clearly, they are having more move-outs than move-ins.  Except for basketball players.  Coincidence? [/quote]Actually, a lot of kids zoned to Yates attend Lamar High, near River Oaks! But no one talks about Lamar High. :( [/quote]  Lamar high doesn't full court press when they are up by 90.      ;) [/quote] And there is a reason for that...He feels like when its a blowout like that, the only way to get any work in at that point is to keep practicing what you do in order to perfect it....its not little league!  ;) 8)

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1227770" timestamp="1338516950"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100318.msg1227764#msg1227764 date=1338516438] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100318.msg1227761#msg1227761 date=1338516141] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100318.msg1227758#msg1227758 date=1338515921] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=100318.msg1227735#msg1227735 date=1338511376] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100318.msg1227730#msg1227730 date=1338509723] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=100318.msg1227726#msg1227726 date=1338509197] Yates is on a whole nother level folks. They play a national schedule alongside with national exposure. Build and they shall follow. Also, these so-called elite kids  ::) hang, text, Face Book, etc each other. They ask their pardners to follow them to certain programs. Others want to play in the best programs. Wise's program sells itself. [/quote] Many thanks for acknowledging/verifying that this program is, as you say, an elite program which suggests that all high school coaches, in order to compete, ought to be AAU coaches in the off season and develop relationships with players who, at that time, do not attend the school where they are coaching.  OF course, Mr. Wise NEVER discusses attending Yates as a possibility.  He merely lets his current players sell the program on Facebook.  I never realized that, at the high school level, that this was supposed to take place.  Somebody once told me that the competition was intended to take place between schools of similar size with no outside influence.  If enough other schools pick up on these "methods" Texas High School Basketball ought to become very interesting.  I am amazed at some people who belittle "the rich" and how they take unfair advantage of everyone else and yet, at the same time, admire situations such as this one. [/quote]I said "SO-called" elite kids." Coach Wise can't coach kids who attend Yates. Be interesting to see how many kids played on his AAU teams and transferred to Yates. The players I know at Yates did not playy for Wise's AAU team. [/quote] NOT ONE!! It is a PROVEN fact! One could say the same for HJ's "Little Dribblers" [s]recruiting[/s], ERRR, I mean program, if thats the case.... ::) ::) [/quote] Your last "proven fact" was torn down by Westend when he gave your 4 names.  Yes, there really is a lot of heavy duty recruiting of those 8 year olds in HJ Little Dribblers.  However, you still need to live in the HJ district in order to play.  But comparing 8 year olds to a high school program is certainly a valid comparison. [/quote] Dispute it all you like....NONE of Wise's AAU players has EVER played for Yates...Can you imagine the uproar, had that been the case? 8 year olds eventually become 14 and 15 year olds, you know.... ::) ::) [/quote] Imagine that!!!! 8 year olds become 14 and 15 year olds?  I think that is true everywhere, isn't it?  In case you missed the obvious point,  the 8 year old is required to live in the HJ district in order to play.  Therefore ( try to follow this if you can) when they turn 14 or 15 and IF they become a decent player (which, incidentally, nobody knows at age 8)they can become another home grown member of the HJ basketball team.  I believe that you dont know every AAU player Wise has ever had and therefore you do NOT know whether your statement is even half valid. [/quote] Once again...You obviously have no idea who you are talking to...Greg Wise has coached the Houston Hoops during two seperate stints...One during his early years while his sons Nic and Dondre were playing as kids until 2005, and again from 2007 to now. NONE of his players played on his team....he has coached the 16U and 17U division...I KNOW this for a fact.

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1227761" timestamp="1338516141"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100318.msg1227758#msg1227758 date=1338515921] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=100318.msg1227735#msg1227735 date=1338511376] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100318.msg1227730#msg1227730 date=1338509723] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=100318.msg1227726#msg1227726 date=1338509197] Yates is on a whole nother level folks. They play a national schedule alongside with national exposure. Build and they shall follow. Also, these so-called elite kids  ::) hang, text, Face Book, etc each other. They ask their pardners to follow them to certain programs. Others want to play in the best programs. Wise's program sells itself. [/quote] Many thanks for acknowledging/verifying that this program is, as you say, an elite program which suggests that all high school coaches, in order to compete, ought to be AAU coaches in the off season and develop relationships with players who, at that time, do not attend the school where they are coaching.  OF course, Mr. Wise NEVER discusses attending Yates as a possibility.  He merely lets his current players sell the program on Facebook.  I never realized that, at the high school level, that this was supposed to take place.  Somebody once told me that the competition was intended to take place between schools of similar size with no outside influence.  If enough other schools pick up on these "methods" Texas High School Basketball ought to become very interesting.  I am amazed at some people who belittle "the rich" and how they take unfair advantage of everyone else and yet, at the same time, admire situations such as this one. [/quote]I said "SO-called" elite kids." Coach Wise can't coach kids who attend Yates. Be interesting to see how many kids played on his AAU teams and transferred to Yates. The players I know at Yates did not playy for Wise's AAU team. [/quote] NOT ONE!! It is a PROVEN fact! One could say the same for HJ's "Little Dribblers" [s]recruiting[/s], ERRR, I mean program, if thats the case.... ::) ::) [/quote] Your last "proven fact" was torn down by Westend when he gave your 4 names.  Yes, there really is a lot of heavy duty recruiting of those 8 year olds in HJ Little Dribblers.  However, you still need to live in the HJ district in order to play.  But comparing 8 year olds to a high school program is certainly a valid comparison. [/quote] Dispute it all you like....NONE of Wise's AAU players has EVER played for Yates...Can you imagine the uproar, had that been the case? 8 year olds eventually become 14 and 15 year olds, you know.... ::) ::)

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1227735" timestamp="1338511376"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100318.msg1227730#msg1227730 date=1338509723] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=100318.msg1227726#msg1227726 date=1338509197] Yates is on a whole nother level folks. They play a national schedule alongside with national exposure. Build and they shall follow. Also, these so-called elite kids  ::) hang, text, Face Book, etc each other. They ask their pardners to follow them to certain programs. Others want to play in the best programs. Wise's program sells itself. [/quote] Many thanks for acknowledging/verifying that this program is, as you say, an elite program which suggests that all high school coaches, in order to compete, ought to be AAU coaches in the off season and develop relationships with players who, at that time, do not attend the school where they are coaching.  OF course, Mr. Wise NEVER discusses attending Yates as a possibility.  He merely lets his current players sell the program on Facebook.  I never realized that, at the high school level, that this was supposed to take place.  Somebody once told me that the competition was intended to take place between schools of similar size with no outside influence.  If enough other schools pick up on these "methods" Texas High School Basketball ought to become very interesting.  I am amazed at some people who belittle "the rich" and how they take unfair advantage of everyone else and yet, at the same time, admire situations such as this one. [/quote]I said "SO-called" elite kids." Coach Wise can't coach kids who attend Yates. Be interesting to see how many kids played on his AAU teams and transferred to Yates. The players I know at Yates did not playy for Wise's AAU team. [/quote] NOT ONE!! It is a PROVEN fact! One could say the same for HJ's "Little Dribblers" [s]recruiting[/s], ERRR, I mean program, if thats the case.... ::) ::)

[quote name="westend1" post="1227614" timestamp="1338488444"] If they have so many move-ins, why are they dropping to 3A? [/quote] They actually should NOT be...Thats a great point! It will be a two year experiment...Thats all.

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1227602" timestamp="1338487408"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100318.msg1227569#msg1227569 date=1338484071] Devante Johnson - previously played at Beaumont Central ::) Ratio 4:1 Houston is at least 4 times larger than Sour Lake I would call that one about EVEN! [/quote] At least 4 times larger than Sour Lake?? How about at least 400 times larger. I mean, Silsbee is almost twice the size of Sour Lake. Houston would be closer to 4,000 times larger than Sour Lake, not 4 times larger. The fact is that there is a higher percentage of kids that play basketball for Yates that come from other schools, more so than what Hardin-Jefferson has playing basketball. Now whether those kids were recruited illegally is what should be up for debate. But, Yates has not broken any rules, or at least hasn't yet been caught. ;) ;D [/quote] Thats my point AAW...I know that Houston has well over 40 times the kids that Sour Lake does, but THAT was my point...its at LEAST 4 times... ;)

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1227591" timestamp="1338486125"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100318.msg1227587#msg1227587 date=1338485803] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100318.msg1227586#msg1227586 date=1338485696] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100318.msg1227583#msg1227583 date=1338485363] Maybe scenery and academics.... ::) ::)..Isn't that the attraction for Hardin Jefferson? [/quote] Good answer.  Once again, very logical.  Here is another way to look at it.  Why dont we simply take the number of players on both teams varsity and multiply it by 5 ( total players on varsity over 5 years) and see what percentage consitutes "move ins"?  Hj's is going to be around 1%.  Are you claiming the same for Yates? [/quote] Again...can't compare by those numbers....Houston has 100 times more kids than does the Sour Lake, China, Cheeks, (and Beaumont) areas combined...It SHOULD be more... [/quote] Really?- You are the one who touted how "home grown" the Yates team was.  By the way, percentages usually are the great equalizer when there are huge disparities in absolutes. [/quote] I was saying that they were just as "homegrown" as the HJ kids are....and they ARE!

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1227586" timestamp="1338485696"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100318.msg1227583#msg1227583 date=1338485363] Maybe scenery and academics.... ::) ::)..Isn't that the attraction for Hardin Jefferson? [/quote] Good answer.  Once again, very logical.  Here is another way to look at it.  Why dont we simply take the number of players on both teams varsity and multiply it by 5 ( total players on varsity over 5 years) and see what percentage consitutes "move ins"?  Hj's is going to be around 1%.  Are you claiming the same for Yates? [/quote] Again...can't compare by those numbers....Houston has 100 times more kids than does the Sour Lake, China, Cheeks, (and Beaumont) areas combined...It SHOULD be more...

Maybe scenery and academics.... ::) ::)..Isn't that the attraction for Hardin Jefferson?

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1227570" timestamp="1338484165"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100318.msg1227569#msg1227569 date=1338484071] Devante Johnson - previously played at Beaumont Central ::) Ratio 4:1 Houston is at least 4 times larger than Sour Lake I would call that one about EVEN! [/quote] Yep- 1 kid in five years is very comparable to multiple kids year in and year out.  Gotta hand it to you- very compelling logic and certainly representative of a "pipeline" [/quote] One in five years? OK, I will let that go...Why do you think that Yates is just that slick to be able to just break rules and have no consequences?

Devante Johnson - previously played at Beaumont Central ::) Ratio 4:1 Houston is at least 4 times larger than Sour Lake I would call that one about EVEN!

If they were being recruited, why aren't any actions being taken? I mean you HJ guys have a direct line to the UIL office....Turn em in!! Know why you cannot? Because HEARSAY is not acceptable when it comes to matters of law and the UIL!! I know for a FACT HJ has a kid from Beaumont ISD...legal? Maybe....maybe not, but he is there..Just like kids may go to Yates...Doesn't mean they are being recruited....They used to say we recruited Kendrick Perkins too...when he lived ACROSS THE STREET FROM OZEN...So I know how people can just say ANYTHING when it comes to programs that win.

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1227557" timestamp="1338483287"] Just one that "we will admit to"? Go ahead and name a few others.  It should be easy for you because, as you stated, you know "everybody" and "everything".  [/quote] I do..now either start a new thread, or get back on topic, please.... 8)

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1227550" timestamp="1338482681"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1227547#msg1227547 date=1338482101] VAST MAJORITY does not equal 100% "homegrown"....In that case, the VAST MAJORITY of the Yates kids are DEFINITELY not only HOME grown, but NEIGHBORHOOD grown...the VAST MAJORITY of them are....point? [/quote] Hmmm_ Hj has had one move in over the last five years and Westend just gave you a list that is considerably larger than that for Yates [/quote] One that you guys will admit to...Houston has so many more kids than this whole area combined, so quite naturally that number can be larger for Yates...However, they were not recruited as some of you suggest...Just like the ONE that you got was not recruited... [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=100215.msg1227552#msg1227552 date=1338482867] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1227534#msg1227534 date=1338481209] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=100215.msg1227531#msg1227531 date=1338480866] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1227519#msg1227519 date=1338479871] MOST SE Texans who really do not know, are the ones accusing them of cheating...I was informing you that while there were transfers to Yates, like anywhere else, there were no rules broken, or recruitment. [/quote] Like Westend said, he named Not 1, not 2 or 3, but FOUR names and you are still denying it!! We ALL know there is 'recruiting' that happens, so to deny it is ignorant, and I KNOW you are not ignorant!! Is it LEGAL recruiting?? Very possibly, bc there has not been an investigation YET!! ;) Some of us don't need PROOF to know what is going on.... 8) [/quote] No denying anything...I acknowledged the guys that he named and told him that they were not "pulled" to Yates at all...They transferred there, yes, but every rule was enforced and followed...Can't deny that....Hey Abe...Are all the Nederland kids "homegrown" as stevenash tries to tell us that the HJ kids are?  ::) ::) [/quote] That is NOT what this topic is about, but I will answer Ur question. We had one kid on this past year's team who transferred from Vegas during the summertime. We all know how Nederland basketball is now a National phenomena!  ::) ::) This coming up season, we will have one football-first kid who transferred from HF before his Freshman season who will join the team in December. At least TEN other people have made this same claim about Yates, yet you are in denial... [/quote] Ten other people that just DON'T KNOW....They are guessing....it's that SE Texas "mob mentality" that I have often referred to.. ::)

VAST MAJORITY does not equal 100% "homegrown"....In that case, the VAST MAJORITY of the Yates kids are DEFINITELY not only HOME grown, but NEIGHBORHOOD grown...the VAST MAJORITY of them are....point?

[quote name="Honest Abe" post="1227531" timestamp="1338480866"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1227519#msg1227519 date=1338479871] MOST SE Texans who really do not know, are the ones accusing them of cheating...I was informing you that while there were transfers to Yates, like anywhere else, there were no rules broken, or recruitment. [/quote] Like Westend said, he named Not 1, not 2 or 3, but FOUR names and you are still denying it!! We ALL know there is 'recruiting' that happens, so to deny it is ignorant, and I KNOW you are not ignorant!! Is it LEGAL recruiting?? Very possibly, bc there has not been an investigation YET!! ;) Some of us don't need PROOF to know what is going on.... 8) [/quote] No denying anything...I acknowledged the guys that he named and told him that they were not "pulled" to Yates at all...They transferred there, yes, but every rule was enforced and followed...Can't deny that....Hey Abe...Are all the Nederland kids "homegrown" as stevenash tries to tell us that the HJ kids are?  ::) ::)

MOST SE Texans who really do not know, are the ones accusing them of cheating...I was informing you that while there were transfers to Yates, like anywhere else, there were no rules broken, or recruitment.

[quote name="Honest Abe" post="1227507" timestamp="1338477891"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1227499#msg1227499 date=1338477204] Key word: PULLED FROM AMOTHER SCHOOL TO PLAY AT YATES....These kids transferred with the blessings of their parents, as evidenced by UIL rulings....Try again.. ::) [/quote] Who cares how they 'got there'? Why did they not attend any of the other 50+ HISD High Schools? Either way you slice it, they are an All-Star team from Houston. The list you and AAW provided could actually compete against an All-Star-like team such as Yates. No way is it fair to HS kids who compete against them. [/quote] The teams that won state were STACKED....in 09 and 10....The top 8 on those teams ALL ATTENDED YATES feeder pattern middle schools except Joseph Young, and his dad was a Yates grad and was working across the street at UH....Natural move. Why do you all like to say that because they are good, they had to have been cheating?

Letcher Ellis sat out (played JV) in 2011, played this year....He was NOT ruled INELIGIBLE, he had to sit due to the transfer rules...Why do you all WANT Yates to fail?  ???

Key word: PULLED FROM AMOTHER SCHOOL TO PLAY AT YATES....These kids transferred with the blessings of their parents, as evidenced by UIL rulings....Try again.. ::)