Dick Vitale

Thats good stuff WOSgrad! And thanks PNGfan, I accidentally omitted PNG...I am putting something together for all SE Texas sports....Thanks for the info! ;)

has been to the state championship game the most times ALL TIME?: A) Westbrook B) West Orange Stark C) Jasper D) PA Jefferson E) Newton How many times?

I don't see that flying....I mean how would you justify schools with 75 kids playing schools with 400 in football? They would have to have more than one classification...I don't think they would do it.

Has played in the MOST state tournaments to date? A) PA Lincoln B) Buna C) Hardin Jefferson D) Kountze E) Silsbee

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1230328" timestamp="1339560404"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100465.msg1230304#msg1230304 date=1339555422] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=100465.msg1230302#msg1230302 date=1339555188] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100465.msg1230299#msg1230299 date=1339555075] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=100465.msg1230291#msg1230291 date=1339554523] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100465.msg1230287#msg1230287 date=1339554314] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=100465.msg1230284#msg1230284 date=1339553949] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=100465.msg1230279#msg1230279 date=1339553642] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=100465.msg1230234#msg1230234 date=1339545296] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=100465.msg1230164#msg1230164 date=1339530813] [quote author=BADSANTA link=topic=100465.msg1230088#msg1230088 date=1339514408] Silsbee will be great this year. I predict another 30 win season with less than 5 loses, but Yates plays teams all over the country like Findley Prep. 3A will be like JV games to them. [/quote]As well as 4-A which they dominated too. [/quote] Hey dove do me a huge favor man. I kinda forgot who was the 4A boy state champions. Can you please remind me? [/quote]Kimball won by a few points. Surely you are not comparing the 3-A teams to Kimball?  ::) [/quote] No comparison at all. Just asking a simple question.  8) And just to put some more of my "two cents" in dominating the 4A ranks would mean they would be the best. 2 place = 1st place loser.  8) [/quote] Has Vidor won state or even BEEN to state in ANY sport? (serious question.....kinda.... ;)) [/quote] Yes we have been to state. Next question. [/quote] In what? Marbles??  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D....Seriously...when and in what sport, because I don't think that they have....ever. [/quote] football i think and i would have to look up the date to find out when... and i'm too tired and inebriated to do so now lol. [/quote] Football? Uhhh, NO SIR!! The [b]ONLY[/b] teams in this area that have ever been to the state game in football is West Orange Stark, Westbrook, Kirbyville, Newton, Jasper, and PA Jefferson...Vidor? NO SIR! 8) [/quote] Uh, DV, I think you need to stick to what you know and that's basketball. Those teams you listed are not the ONLY teams from this area that have played for or won a state championship in football. PNG, Nederland, Bridge City, Hull-Daisetta, High Island, Beaumont French, Beaumont Hebert, Dayton and Beaumont Kelly have all played in the state title game, with some of those winning. [/quote] OK well AAW you are much older than me!!  8) ;D....some of those schools I forgot even existed! Nederland never won state in football have they? I remember PNG's run with Dustin Long at QB...I missed them...Hull Daisetta, High Island? had no idea....Learned something tonight! 8)

OK thats possible...what about TEAM sports?

Wasn't football....DEFINITELY wasn't basketball...not baseball...Not track and field...cross country? tennis? Wrestling? Power Lifting? Which one was it?

[quote name="mytwocents" post="1230302" timestamp="1339555188"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100465.msg1230299#msg1230299 date=1339555075] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=100465.msg1230291#msg1230291 date=1339554523] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100465.msg1230287#msg1230287 date=1339554314] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=100465.msg1230284#msg1230284 date=1339553949] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=100465.msg1230279#msg1230279 date=1339553642] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=100465.msg1230234#msg1230234 date=1339545296] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=100465.msg1230164#msg1230164 date=1339530813] [quote author=BADSANTA link=topic=100465.msg1230088#msg1230088 date=1339514408] Silsbee will be great this year. I predict another 30 win season with less than 5 loses, but Yates plays teams all over the country like Findley Prep. 3A will be like JV games to them. [/quote]As well as 4-A which they dominated too. [/quote] Hey dove do me a huge favor man. I kinda forgot who was the 4A boy state champions. Can you please remind me? [/quote]Kimball won by a few points. Surely you are not comparing the 3-A teams to Kimball?  ::) [/quote] No comparison at all. Just asking a simple question.  8) And just to put some more of my "two cents" in dominating the 4A ranks would mean they would be the best. 2 place = 1st place loser.  8) [/quote] Has Vidor won state or even BEEN to state in ANY sport? (serious question.....kinda.... ;)) [/quote] Yes we have been to state. Next question. [/quote] In what? Marbles??  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D....Seriously...when and in what sport, because I don't think that they have....ever. [/quote] football i think and i would have to look up the date to find out when... and i'm too tired and inebriated to do so now lol. [/quote] Football? Uhhh, NO SIR!! The ONLY teams in this area that have ever been to the state game in football is West Orange Stark, Westbrook, Kirbyville, Newton, Jasper, and PA Jefferson...Vidor? NO SIR! 8)

[quote name="mytwocents" post="1230291" timestamp="1339554523"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100465.msg1230287#msg1230287 date=1339554314] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=100465.msg1230284#msg1230284 date=1339553949] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=100465.msg1230279#msg1230279 date=1339553642] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=100465.msg1230234#msg1230234 date=1339545296] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=100465.msg1230164#msg1230164 date=1339530813] [quote author=BADSANTA link=topic=100465.msg1230088#msg1230088 date=1339514408] Silsbee will be great this year. I predict another 30 win season with less than 5 loses, but Yates plays teams all over the country like Findley Prep. 3A will be like JV games to them. [/quote]As well as 4-A which they dominated too. [/quote] Hey dove do me a huge favor man. I kinda forgot who was the 4A boy state champions. Can you please remind me? [/quote]Kimball won by a few points. Surely you are not comparing the 3-A teams to Kimball?  ::) [/quote] No comparison at all. Just asking a simple question.  8) And just to put some more of my "two cents" in dominating the 4A ranks would mean they would be the best. 2 place = 1st place loser.  8) [/quote] Has Vidor won state or even BEEN to state in ANY sport? (serious question.....kinda.... ;)) [/quote] Yes we have been to state. Next question. [/quote] In what? Marbles??  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D....Seriously...when and in what sport, because I don't think that they have....ever.

[quote name="mytwocents" post="1230284" timestamp="1339553949"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=100465.msg1230279#msg1230279 date=1339553642] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=100465.msg1230234#msg1230234 date=1339545296] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=100465.msg1230164#msg1230164 date=1339530813] [quote author=BADSANTA link=topic=100465.msg1230088#msg1230088 date=1339514408] Silsbee will be great this year. I predict another 30 win season with less than 5 loses, but Yates plays teams all over the country like Findley Prep. 3A will be like JV games to them. [/quote]As well as 4-A which they dominated too. [/quote] Hey dove do me a huge favor man. I kinda forgot who was the 4A boy state champions. Can you please remind me? [/quote]Kimball won by a few points. Surely you are not comparing the 3-A teams to Kimball?  ::) [/quote] No comparison at all. Just asking a simple question.  8) And just to put some more of my "two cents" in dominating the 4A ranks would mean they would be the best. 2 place = 1st place loser.  8) [/quote] Has Vidor won state or even BEEN to state in ANY sport? (serious question.....kinda.... ;))

AAU is the DEVIL!! >:(..... ;D

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1229896" timestamp="1339435987"] In regards to transfers, comparing HJ to Yates is utterly ridiculous. I do find it strange that Yates' enrollment is down to 3A level yet get 41 transfers to an unacceptable rated school. BTW DV, those 41 transfers are a fact and they all are awaiting the ruling on their athletic status, not their "communications" status. Magnet school or not, Yates has an unacceptable rating and anyone transferring to that school without moving into the school zone should have their athletic status questioned. As for Johnson who transferred to HJ, his form was signed off on by BISD and his family moved to Sour lake. Case closed. [/quote] 41 basketball players? I seriously doubt that its even for a FOURTH of that number...Seriously doubt it...

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="1229890" timestamp="1339435308"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100318.msg1229884#msg1229884 date=1339433912] [quote author=WOSgrad link=topic=100318.msg1229883#msg1229883 date=1339432978] Yes, Rodney Saveat did that.  And I firmly believe he was telling the honest to God truth. Is he unreal, too? [/quote] No, just some of you on here...Ridiculous to even SUGGEST that the kid in question did not transfer to HJ to play basketball...And the sad thing is YOU KNOW IT TOO.. :o [/quote] That is exactly what Rodney Saveat did when he signed off on that PAPF form, is he ricidulous, too? Look, as most H-J folks could tell you, I could give a rat's end about them.  In fact, most of these, folks, Nash included, would probably rather shoot me than see me get anywhere near the city limits of Sour Lake.  But the facts are there.  There is a completed PAPF form saying the young man did not transfer for athletic purposes which was sufficient for 21-3A to make a finding that he did not transfer and thus could play varsity immediately.  I also know about the lengths that HJISD went to confirm to themselves, as well as everyone else that this was not a sham transfer. If you want to ease your conscience about the goings on at Yates, where AT LEAST two students had to sit out after they opted to transfer to a school whose rating is unacceptable and is outside of their home attendance zone AND IN FACT THIS DAY IS STILL OUT OF THEIR ATTENDANCE ZONE, an act deemed sufficiently worrisome that the UIL dictates they must forfeit 1/4 of their available high school eligibility, then you need to find another example. [/quote] Thats not my point...What has been going on at Yates is VERY SIMILAR to what has gone on at HJ..A kid wanted to transfer to their high profile basketball program and THAT IS PERFECTLY FINE TO DO....NOthing has been done ILLEGALLY, but don't pretend like that was not the ACTUAL (and I know Rodney signed off on it, for the 100th time) REASON...He went to HJ to play basketball...THATS IT.

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1229885" timestamp="1339434125"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100318.msg1229884#msg1229884 date=1339433912] [quote author=WOSgrad link=topic=100318.msg1229883#msg1229883 date=1339432978] Yes, Rodney Saveat did that.  And I firmly believe he was telling the honest to God truth. Is he unreal, too? [/quote] No, just some of you on here...Ridiculous to even SUGGEST that the kid in question did not transfer to HJ to play basketball...And the sad thing is YOU KNOW IT TOO.. :o [/quote] It's funny that you "know" about that( hj transfer) but you dont seem to "know" about the 41 applicants whom you believe "might" be coming to Yates for communications.  You look pretty silly here D.V. [/quote] No I look like I am calling it as it IS, unlike you who wants HJ to continue to be perceived as the "purest" program in the UIL....Thats ridiculous...People know who I am, and its not silly to call it as it is...That kid transferred to HJ to play basketball..Its just that simple.  The 41 kids that are transfering to Yates, we j=have no idea who they are and why they are coming..You people with your "mob mentality" has turned it into a crusade to discredit Yates...I hope they play your HJ team next year and beat the brakes off of them!...What will you say then? they had 41 transfers that all came on the Yates varsity in 2012-13? You people are something else... ::)

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="1229883" timestamp="1339432978"] Yes, Rodney Saveat did that.  And I firmly believe he was telling the honest to God truth. Is he unreal, too? [/quote] No, just some of you on here...Ridiculous to even SUGGEST that the kid in question did not transfer to HJ to play basketball...And the sad thing is YOU KNOW IT TOO.. :o

One thing I can say about you people on here..You will back each other up no matter what!  ::) ::)..CAN ANYONE TELL ME THAT THIS KID IN QUESTION TRANSFERRED TO HJ FOR ACADEMIC AND NOT BASKETBALL PURPOSES? And be telling the honest to God truth? You people are unreal.... ::) ::)

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1229869" timestamp="1339431121"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100318.msg1229861#msg1229861 date=1339430175] Just as NO ONE knows why those 41 transfers (allegedly) are coming in to Yates..There IS a MAGNET SCHOOL OF COMMUNICATIONS over there...Could be another reaso other than basketball....Why did the kid come from Central to HJ? FFA program.. ::) [/quote] Nothing ALLEGEDLY about it.  There ARE currently 41 forms that Yates is dealing with.  Care to call me a liar about that also?  Compare the academic desireability of  Central, Westbrook, Yates and HJ.  You lose big time.  You find nothing  curious about a school losing enough students to be downgraded to 3-A and, at the same time, have 41 applicants in the freshman class dealing with a prior athletics participation form coming in from other schools.  Yeah, of course you don't. [/quote] So the 41 applicants were all the fault of Coach Wise? I am not comparing the academic "prowess" of HJ to the others, i'm just saying that the transfer in question could have attended WESTBROOK or OZEN and received the same academic benefits that he has gotten at HJ...Now you are gonna sit here and tel me that he didn't go to your beloved school to play basketball?

[quote name="team first" post="1229860" timestamp="1339430145"] Could have gone to west b, or ozen for a better education. Dickie v you don't even believe that yourself [/quote] Why not? BOTH of those schools were academically acceptable or higher over the last 5 years...How is that so unreal to you, yet its ok for a kid to leave Central to go to HJ for "academic reasons"?

Just as NO ONE knows why those 41 transfers (allegedly) are coming in to Yates..There IS a MAGNET SCHOOL OF COMMUNICATIONS over there...Could be another reaso other than basketball....Why did the kid come from Central to HJ? FFA program.. ::)

Why move to Sour Lake? All of the jobs there? Yeah, ok....Get off of Yates' programs back, because you guys are FOUL in SE Texas for not admitting that this kid transferred to play basketball...VERY FOUL...And the sad part about it is that IT NOT NECESSARILY A BAD THING....It happens in good programs...Just stop DENYING and COVERING it up!! No one is "investigating" HJ, but just admit it... ::)

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="1229846" timestamp="1339424472"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100318.msg1229843#msg1229843 date=1339423941] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100318.msg1229840#msg1229840 date=1339423724] [quote author=WOSgrad link=topic=100318.msg1229838#msg1229838 date=1339423683] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100318.msg1229834#msg1229834 date=1339423523] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100318.msg1229832#msg1229832 date=1339423257] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100318.msg1229825#msg1229825 date=1339422564] There is no way that you can believe that 41 kids are transferring into Yates to play basketball...No way...However I know of one that transferred into Hardin Jefferson FOR SURE to play on their basketball team...You wanna dispute that? ::) [/quote] You dont "know" nearly what you think you know.  Until you attended the HJ Silsbee game, you weren't even aware that the kid had transferred to HJ.  You also had no idea there were 41 kids trying to transfer in to Yates  and apparently you dont "know" that the 41 forms are related to prior athletic participation.  Therefore, I am not, nor have I ever been, intimidated by what you "know" and what you "see".  Once again, how utterly ridiculous for you to compare 41 CURRENT TRANSFERS to 1 over 5 years.  But keep it up, because sooner or later you may convince YOURSELF (and only yourself ) that there is the slightest bit of relevance between the two.  [/quote] Oh, but there IS relevance here...You tell me that the kid transferred to HJ for academic purposes (with a straight face, of course) and I will call you a liar to your face...And if he did, SO WHAT...It happens...Thats my point...But you wanna pretend that Hardin Jefferson ALWAYS has kids that are "homegrown" and I am calling BS to that...HJ has a player that transferred there to be a part of a better basketball program than the one he was in....IS THAT NOT THE CASE? [/quote] So you are calling Rodney Saveat a liar. [/quote] Come on Dickie- If you will say it to my face, why not to the face of Mr. Saveat? [/quote] I think you expect the rest of us to suffer from amnesia or mental retardation when it comes to this....I am not calling Rodney a liar, I am saying that it was one of those "pick your battle" situations...He doesn't want to make kids suffer, by making an issue out of something so amall...If he wanted to leave and play at HJ, let him do so...but the REASON was still for BASKETBALL....You know it, I know it, and at the end of the day Savaet knows it too...Be thankful that he is about kids and not about being vindictive.. [/quote] Rodney Saveat signed off on an official school and UIL document that this transfer was not for athletic reasons.  You are saying he did so knowing that the transfer was for athletic reasons.  That is saying he lied.  You can rationalize all you want but you just said that you would call anybody who said that a liar.  Please let me know when you set that meeting up with Mr. Saveat to do so, I would LOVE to hear his response.  Simply this, Rodney Saveat is a man of integrity who will lie for NO ONE and I don't believe he would deviate from that to allow a player from one of his 4A schools to go to a mid size (and that is generous) 3A school. [/quote] What was the reason then? Did his family move? NO...Were there any special circumstances? NO..Ohhh, he wanted to get a better education in an academically accepted school, right? NO, he could have gone to Westbrook or Ozen for that...I have known Rodney longer than you think, and I know that he is a man of integrity...I also know that he is an advocate for whats right for the kids involved...It simply would have hurt the kid to fight this thing....so he let him go..You CANNOT tell me that the TRUE reason for that kid wanting to transfer to HJ was due to him and his folks being unhappy with the Central basketball program...AND THAT IS OK....JUST STOP DENYING IT!

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1229840" timestamp="1339423724"] [quote author=WOSgrad link=topic=100318.msg1229838#msg1229838 date=1339423683] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100318.msg1229834#msg1229834 date=1339423523] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100318.msg1229832#msg1229832 date=1339423257] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100318.msg1229825#msg1229825 date=1339422564] There is no way that you can believe that 41 kids are transferring into Yates to play basketball...No way...However I know of one that transferred into Hardin Jefferson FOR SURE to play on their basketball team...You wanna dispute that? ::) [/quote] You dont "know" nearly what you think you know.  Until you attended the HJ Silsbee game, you weren't even aware that the kid had transferred to HJ.  You also had no idea there were 41 kids trying to transfer in to Yates  and apparently you dont "know" that the 41 forms are related to prior athletic participation.  Therefore, I am not, nor have I ever been, intimidated by what you "know" and what you "see".  Once again, how utterly ridiculous for you to compare 41 CURRENT TRANSFERS to 1 over 5 years.  But keep it up, because sooner or later you may convince YOURSELF (and only yourself ) that there is the slightest bit of relevance between the two.  [/quote] Oh, but there IS relevance here...You tell me that the kid transferred to HJ for academic purposes (with a straight face, of course) and I will call you a liar to your face...And if he did, SO WHAT...It happens...Thats my point...But you wanna pretend that Hardin Jefferson ALWAYS has kids that are "homegrown" and I am calling BS to that...HJ has a player that transferred there to be a part of a better basketball program than the one he was in....IS THAT NOT THE CASE? [/quote] So you are calling Rodney Saveat a liar. [/quote] Come on Dickie- If you will say it to my face, why not to the face of Mr. Saveat? [/quote] I think you expect the rest of us to suffer from amnesia or mental retardation when it comes to this....I am not calling Rodney a liar, I am saying that it was one of those "pick your battle" situations...He doesn't want to make kids suffer, by making an issue out of something so amall...If he wanted to leave and play at HJ, let him do so...but the REASON was still for BASKETBALL....You know it, I know it, and at the end of the day Savaet knows it too...Be thankful that he is about kids and not about being vindictive..

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1229832" timestamp="1339423257"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100318.msg1229825#msg1229825 date=1339422564] There is no way that you can believe that 41 kids are transferring into Yates to play basketball...No way...However I know of one that transferred into Hardin Jefferson FOR SURE to play on their basketball team...You wanna dispute that? ::) [/quote] You dont "know" nearly what you think you know.  Until you attended the HJ Silsbee game, you weren't even aware that the kid had transferred to HJ.  You also had no idea there were 41 kids trying to transfer in to Yates  and apparently you dont "know" that the 41 forms are related to prior athletic participation.  Therefore, I am not, nor have I ever been, intimidated by what you "know" and what you "see".  Once again, how utterly ridiculous for you to compare 41 CURRENT TRANSFERS to 1 over 5 years.  But keep it up, because sooner or later you may convince YOURSELF (and only yourself ) that there is the slightest bit of relevance between the two.  [/quote] Oh, but there IS relevance here...You tell me that the kid transferred to HJ for academic purposes (with a straight face, of course) and I will call you a liar to your face...And if he did, SO WHAT...It happens...Thats my point...But you wanna pretend that Hardin Jefferson ALWAYS has kids that are "homegrown" and I am calling BS to that...HJ has a player that transferred there to be a part of a better basketball program than the one he was in....IS THAT NOT THE CASE?

There is no way that you can believe that 41 kids are transferring into Yates to play basketball...No way...However I know of one that transferred into Hardin Jefferson FOR SURE to play on their basketball team...You wanna dispute that? ::)

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