Dick Vitale

Thats what I thought....you have no answer, because there IS NO ANSWER! 8)

[quote name="Honest Abe" post="1227486" timestamp="1338474325"] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=100215.msg1227351#msg1227351 date=1338410633] Pretty good list, AAW! [/quote] Would love to see this All-Star team play against [s]Houston's All-Star team[/s], I mean Yates!  ;D Now that's comparing Apples to apples, since Yates can pull from most HISD schools?  8) [/quote] I will tell you like I told Stevenash....name one...ANY one that has been "pulled" to attend Yates....Take your time..I'll wait.. ::)

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1227169" timestamp="1338386759"] A kid from liberty moved to Sour Lake and once he found out VIA THE HJ COACHES that he would be INELIGIBLE, he moved right back to Liberty. Obviously, he never played at HJ. Apparently, all those VALUABLE and RELIABLE sources of yours neglected to tell you the whole story.  Additionally, you only think you know everybody. [/quote] Do you KNOW how many kids were TURNED AWAY from Yates? Yet, people STILL want to hang them for kids wanting to go there....So I guess the Beaumont ISD annexation/pipeline is not a topic that can be discussed? And yes nash, I DO know EVERYBODY. ;)

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1227144" timestamp="1338385743"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1227137#msg1227137 date=1338385401] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100215.msg1227131#msg1227131 date=1338384964] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1227121#msg1227121 date=1338384458] Oh, but its an accurate statement, and you know it..... ;) [/quote] One town with one school district with 500 students Major metropolitan area with multi districts and hundreds of thousands of students-  Accurate?  Sure?  Keep telling yourself and maybe you can possibly believe it but it really ought to be hard even for an one accomplished in self delusion [/quote] One town? China, Cheeks, Sour Lake, Liberty (yeah, I heard about those kids), Beaumont (we all know HJ is the better choice for scenery and academics, right?)....That covers a lot more area than just one little town, don't you think? Come on, nash...I know too many people...You can fool others about how HJ has never taken kids from other districts (purposely or not) but I know too many people for that...way too many people...and other coaches....Don't get me wrong, if you build a great program, that just may happen, and its ok....But just understand that Yates has the same "problem" that you guys have... ;) [/quote] I could give a rats A$$ about who you know.  Having been around this world longer than you have, it's no contest regarding who one "knows".  1 kid in 5 years is still a fact that you cant alter via innuendo or otherwise.  Go ahead and tell me what you know about Liberty and what benefit it provided for HJ.  China, Cheek and Sour Lake are all components of the HJ school district.  [/quote] Excuse me...but I think you forgot to respond about the Beaumont ISD annexation and pipeline to Sour Lake...So are you telling me that Hardin Jefferson has NEVER gotten a kid from Liberty in the program? Once again, not saying it is wrong or anyone was at fault, because it HAPPENS...Remember, I know EVERYBODY... ;)

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1227131" timestamp="1338384964"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1227121#msg1227121 date=1338384458] Oh, but its an accurate statement, and you know it..... ;) [/quote] One town with one school district with 500 students Major metropolitan area with multi districts and hundreds of thousands of students-  Accurate?  Sure?  Keep telling yourself and maybe you can possibly believe it but it really ought to be hard even for an one accomplished in self delusion [/quote] One town? China, Cheeks, Sour Lake, Liberty (yeah, I heard about those kids), Beaumont (we all know HJ is the better choice for scenery and academics, right?)....That covers a lot more area than just one little town, don't you think? Come on, nash...I know too many people...You can fool others about how HJ has never taken kids from other districts (purposely or not) but I know too many people for that...way too many people...and other coaches....Don't get me wrong, if you build a great program, that just may happen, and its ok....But just understand that Yates has the same "problem" that you guys have... ;)

Oh, but its an accurate statement, and you know it..... ;)

I know what it means....I wouldn't make any reservations for Huntsville if I were them!  ;)

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1227045" timestamp="1338340091"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1227017#msg1227017 date=1338333187] He went to Austin w/ FB Hightower 3 times...And now 3 times at Yates winning two....I would say that he is getting it done wouldn't you? Coincidence? I doubt that...The talent IS coming to Yates now that it has been built...Just as it appears at HJ...Does the talent level dip there? Not much...why does it have to just fall off at Yates....Did it fall off at Lincoln? Ozen? Silsbee? Why Yates? [/quote] HJ "talent" is 99% home grown ( of course you already know that and it troubles you)  Yes, it fell off at Ozen [/quote] If the HJ talent is 99% "homegrown" then Yates' is around 98%.... ::)...because they are after all from Houston.... ::)

He went to Austin w/ FB Hightower 3 times...And now 3 times at Yates winning two....I would say that he is getting it done wouldn't you? Coincidence? I doubt that...The talent IS coming to Yates now that it has been built...Just as it appears at HJ...Does the talent level dip there? Not much...why does it have to just fall off at Yates....Did it fall off at Lincoln? Ozen? Silsbee? Why Yates?

Prior to 2008 they had a coach that was FIRED FOR PLAYING INELIGIBLE PLAYERS....Coincidentally that same coach won a 4A state title in 1998 at Houston Waltrip...Remember the Puerto Rican kid in 1999 that was deemed ineligible due to being to old? Yeah...THAT was his coach....Greg Wise came INTO a messy situation, yet no one has found anything wrong with what he has done except naysayers that don't know much about what is the real deal....I relate HJ because they are just as guilty as Yates is...That could mean NOT GUILTY of anything, but the only thing we can go by is the fact that the UIL says both are in compliance....Right? ;)

In that case, I can say that about HJ...You guys are regulars at least in HUNTSVILLE, so if you don't make it back to regionals should I have my convictions about how you guys had been so successful, then fell off? Of course not...Since Greg Wise arrived at Yates in 2008, they went to the regional finals in 08, state champs in 09 and 10, regional semi finals in 11, and state finalist in 12...I doubt they will do anything less than regionals for the next few years, so they seem fairly consistent, wouldn't you say?

I NEVER denied that Dallas Kimball was dirty...NEVER...I have always contended that YATES HS was not recruitig kids or doing anything else "unethical" as you put it...

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1226889" timestamp="1338313691"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226884#msg1226884 date=1338313485] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100215.msg1226857#msg1226857 date=1338310809] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226841#msg1226841 date=1338308490] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100215.msg1226834#msg1226834 date=1338306746] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226822#msg1226822 date=1338305387] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100215.msg1226812#msg1226812 date=1338304283] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226806#msg1226806 date=1338303507] OK...name ONE UNETHICAL transfer then....Go ahead...I'll wait.... ::) [/quote] Unworthy of a response [/quote] UNABLE to respond is more like it... [/quote] You are right because I dont know the names of the players.  [/quote] I am right because you don't have a leg to stand on....HEARSAY is no good here... ;) [/quote] Why not- You used plenty of it in the Trayvon Martin case?  My "instincts" and" what I [b]know[/b]" are EVERY bit as good as yours [/quote] Not in this case...I happen to KNOW and you are allowing hearsay to cloud your judgement...THATS the difference. [/quote] Read what you just said.  You  don't know jack#$%^ about the Martin case.  Yet you sit there and declare that ONLY YOU, in your divine wisdom, "know" things and the rest of us simply are not as enlightened.  NOBODY believes you but you. [/quote] You have NO IDEA as to what I do or do not know...I DO know that all of you people are dead wrong about any "unethical" practies going on within the Yates basketball program. No more unethical than HJ....I happen to KNOW JACK%$%$ about that part...

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1226857" timestamp="1338310809"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226841#msg1226841 date=1338308490] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100215.msg1226834#msg1226834 date=1338306746] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226822#msg1226822 date=1338305387] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100215.msg1226812#msg1226812 date=1338304283] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226806#msg1226806 date=1338303507] OK...name ONE UNETHICAL transfer then....Go ahead...I'll wait.... ::) [/quote] Unworthy of a response [/quote] UNABLE to respond is more like it... [/quote] You are right because I dont know the names of the players.  [/quote] I am right because you don't have a leg to stand on....HEARSAY is no good here... ;) [/quote] Why not- You used plenty of it in the Trayvon Martin case?  My "instincts" and" what I [b]know[/b]" are EVERY bit as good as yours [/quote] Not in this case...I happen to KNOW and you are allowing hearsay to cloud your judgement...THATS the difference.

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1226834" timestamp="1338306746"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226822#msg1226822 date=1338305387] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100215.msg1226812#msg1226812 date=1338304283] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226806#msg1226806 date=1338303507] OK...name ONE UNETHICAL transfer then....Go ahead...I'll wait.... ::) [/quote] Unworthy of a response [/quote] UNABLE to respond is more like it... [/quote] You are right because I dont know the names of the players.  [/quote] I am right because you don't have a leg to stand on....HEARSAY is no good here... ;)

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1226812" timestamp="1338304283"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226806#msg1226806 date=1338303507] OK...name ONE UNETHICAL transfer then....Go ahead...I'll wait.... ::) [/quote] Unworthy of a response [/quote] UNABLE to respond is more like it...

OK...name ONE UNETHICAL transfer then....Go ahead...I'll wait.... ::)

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1226803" timestamp="1338302811"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100142.msg1226789#msg1226789 date=1338301789] OK, I will go with you having ONE in 5 years.... ::)...Thats the only one that the public really knows about...Tell me nash...can you NAME any of the Yates transfers and WHY they came to Yates? Were they considered ineligible, or maybe perhaps they followed the one year transfer status rule and did NOT play varsity immediately? If this is so, WHY is it considered "cheating" in your estimation, if they indeed followed the rules and procedures of the University Interscholastic League? [/quote]\ Often times, all facts about how a student got to a school are not made known.  Sort of like the mother who recently said the Kimball coaches would help her find a house or she could stay in her neighborhood and they would arrange transportation for her son.  Dickie, its not just me suspecting Yates.  Hundreds of others think the same thing.  Although, I know you want to believe that it is founded in jealousy/envy, there are simply too many who believe something is wrong there.  Lets say that the Ozen staff decides to coach AAU ball this year ( they can coach anyone but their own players) and they get to know a number of very good players and some good relationships develop over that time.  Surely you aren't so naive to believe nothing happens.  ( of course not, you know it happens and will attempt to justify it by saying HJ had one move in during the last five years- what a joke. Why don't you run a poll on this board and see how many people believe Yates runs a clean program. [/quote] That poll would be flawed because I can ask the same about KINGWOOD and get a totally different response...Need I say more?  Once again, I KNOW the head coach at Yates just as well as you know the one at HJ...He does not "buddy up" with kids so they will come to Yates and play..Not his personality, even a little bit...Its a mob mentality that you people have about Yates...They have broken NO RULES and the UIL has said the same..If they have, so has Hardin Jefferson...Think any kids transferred from Central to HJ for the atmospere and academics? NO....It was for BASKETBALL.

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1226776" timestamp="1338300981"] Lincoln was, from my perspective, very legitimate in their pursuit/achievement of basketball excellence.  It VERY OBVIOUSLY is not the same way at Yates or Kimball. [/quote] Kimball, yes I see your point...Yates....NAME ONE ILLEGAL TRANSFER....Go ahead..take your time...I'll wait.... ::) ::) ::)

OK, I will go with you having ONE in 5 years.... ::)...Thats the only one that the public really knows about...Tell me nash...can you NAME any of the Yates transfers and WHY they came to Yates? Were they considered ineligible, or maybe perhaps they followed the one year transfer status rule and did NOT play varsity immediately? If this is so, WHY is it considered "cheating" in your estimation, if they indeed followed the rules and procedures of the University Interscholastic League?

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1226760" timestamp="1338299437"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226751#msg1226751 date=1338297067] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100215.msg1226632#msg1226632 date=1338225372] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226592#msg1226592 date=1338211250] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=100215.msg1226577#msg1226577 date=1338180207] DV, his name is E'Torian.  Also, Garrison Mitchell could be in the list. [/quote] You know who I am talking about!! Thanks. [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100215.msg1226584#msg1226584 date=1338208770] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226516#msg1226516 date=1338164870] Funny that PA Memorial has not had any move ins in the last five years....Its an exclusive club, I suppose... ::) [/quote] Neither has Bridge City or Orangefield [/quote] I told you....HJ is part of an EXCLUSIVE CLUB where kids just show up....it happens. [/quote] Yep, once every five years.  Does the kid from Memorial who moved to Silsbee, stayed a few months and then moved back, count as a move in at Memorial? [/quote] How about this FACT....LINCOLN NEVER HAD A PLAYER TO "MOVE IN".....NOT ONE...7 State Championships...go figure....So, stevenash....what was the reason for THEIR dominance, in your estimation?  I mean since the "cheat" factor has been totally taken away and all.... ::) [/quote] Nobody ever accused Lincoln of having move ins.  It is simply your way of trying to move off topic.  Lincoln had a basketball culture where the number one priority was basketball and virtually every kid growing up aspired to be good at basketball.  Same true of baseball at Bridge City.  [/quote] Nope. Just wanted to know if you felt the same way about Lincoln as you do about Yates, without any evidence of the "cheating" factor... ::)

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1226759" timestamp="1338299335"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100142.msg1226754#msg1226754 date=1338297735] Homeless, that was NOT breaking news! EVERYBODY in TEXAS knew that kid was not eligible at Kimball!  8) [/quote] Yes and there are several more at several other schools that EVERYBODY Doesnt know are ineligible.  Furthermore, some that DO know it are trying to conceal it or refuse to acknowledge it. [/quote] I think your transfers into HJ are OK, nash.... ::)

Homeless, that was NOT breaking news! EVERYBODY in TEXAS knew that kid was not eligible at Kimball!  8)

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1226632" timestamp="1338225372"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226592#msg1226592 date=1338211250] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=100215.msg1226577#msg1226577 date=1338180207] DV, his name is E'Torian.  Also, Garrison Mitchell could be in the list. [/quote] You know who I am talking about!! Thanks. [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100215.msg1226584#msg1226584 date=1338208770] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226516#msg1226516 date=1338164870] Funny that PA Memorial has not had any move ins in the last five years....Its an exclusive club, I suppose... ::) [/quote] Neither has Bridge City or Orangefield [/quote] I told you....HJ is part of an EXCLUSIVE CLUB where kids just show up....it happens. [/quote] Yep, once every five years.  Does the kid from Memorial who moved to Silsbee, stayed a few months and then moved back, count as a move in at Memorial? [/quote] How about this FACT....LINCOLN NEVER HAD A PLAYER TO "MOVE IN".....NOT ONE...7 State Championships...go figure....So, stevenash....what was the reason for THEIR dominance, in your estimation?  I mean since the "cheat" factor has been totally taken away and all.... ::)

[quote name="BMTSoulja1 " post="1226577" timestamp="1338180207"] DV, his name is E'Torian.  Also, Garrison Mitchell could be in the list. [/quote] You know who I am talking about!! Thanks. [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100215.msg1226584#msg1226584 date=1338208770] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226516#msg1226516 date=1338164870] Funny that PA Memorial has not had any move ins in the last five years....Its an exclusive club, I suppose... ::) [/quote] Neither has Bridge City or Orangefield [/quote] I told you....HJ is part of an EXCLUSIVE CLUB where kids just show up....it happens.