Dick Vitale

Truth is folks and this may sound harsh, but the Yates fan base is not really USED to winning in basketball..They were a football power for many years and had that same "swag" about their football program back in the day...This does not excuse inappropriate behaviors by any means, but its still kind of "new" to them...HJ fans have been used to winning basketball, and have a tendancy to be less cocky about their teams success...This has become their time to "shine" over the last few years and they are doing just that..Doesn't make it right, but its one of the major reasons they do it...They can't act like they have been there before, because before a few years ago...They really hadn't. ;)

[quote name="BADSANTA" post="1379013" timestamp="1361737858"] DV got those conference from coaching at Alex Keith Park! Silsbee has a chance man. Yates absolutely has a unfair advantage. We will deal with it and play hard. If Silsbee can get hot on those free throws and rebound we got a shot! If Silsbee beats Yates it could be the greatest win in school history! [/quote] You don't believe that yourself... ::)...Silsbee has a shot, because they will compete...I will give them that...However REALITY will set in and it will be a wrap! ;)

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1379010" timestamp="1361736062"] You totally missed the point.  I was referring to work harder about being humble. [/quote] Ooops, you are right then...I completely missed that one...My mistake...See...admitting fault and apologizing is a big step toward my humility rehab! ;D

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1379005" timestamp="1361735423"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=109680.msg1378989#msg1378989 date=1361733907] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=109680.msg1378975#msg1378975 date=1361732600] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=109680.msg1378968#msg1378968 date=1361731685] Abe, can I ask you a serious question? What do you think that Brian English would have done with THAT bunch at Central? [/quote]That's a hard question. That's a lot of talent to coach! ;D Don't know if Coach E would implement his style of play/coaching or play a more up tempo style. His record shows that he can do more with less, and suggests that Central would still be playing if he were their coach. I didn't see the game (obviously), so it's hard to say what would have happened in THAT game. He may have done a better job at adjusting (during the game) to the matchup against a team like Georgetown. Sometimes though, the coach can put his players in the right position, but kids gotta execute that plan. What do you think? [/quote] I think you hit the nail on the head! In the playoffs its ALL about coaching adjustments and match ups...I know what Coach E can do adjustment wise, and I also know what the Central coach lacks in that area...NOT that Coach Lee is just that terrible, but Coach English is just that much better.  I do understand that this Central team is a very young group, but with that you also must implement another coaching dynamic, and thats taking advantage of the "too young to know any better" factor, and allow them to play loose as well... English HAS done more with less, and I feel that with more he would DO more!  ;) [/quote]DV this is an interesting comment. Did you know your dad started 4-5 freshmen on varsity during one of his coaching gigs?  He allowed those freshmen the latitude to screw up but learn from their mistakes, and probably the best contribution he made was to allow those freshmen to play to[color=red] their strengths[/color]. His system matched the players he had, not the system trying to mold the players. [/quote] I actually learned that from HIM! He always said that he would always custom build the system to fit the kids and not the other way around..You HAVE to let young teams find their way..I think Central will be very good in due time...They may have been one of the most talented teams in the region this year, but lost early. However wih the right guy at the helm (not that Lee was the "wrong" guy) this team could have done a bit more...I happen to know a coach that took a team that started 3 sophs, and played 6 other sophs, to the state championship game... ::) ::)...Remember that, Dove? ;)

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1379002" timestamp="1361735221"] Alright guys, enough of the personal back and forth banter. Let's keep the talk to Silsbee/Houston Yates and leave the personal stuff out. [/quote] Thanks... ;)

Won the conference, looking forward to the conference tournament, and the NCAA tournament...Coming off of back to back to back Elite Eight appearances...Trying to clear that next hurdle and win the big one! ;)...Its amazing...I try to stay in the background, yet somehow am always pulled to the forefront!  8)

With great basketball knowledge comes great responsibility! AND some haters along the way... 8)

[quote name="Silsbeealum14" post="1378987" timestamp="1361733686"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=109733.msg1378979#msg1378979 date=1361733210] [quote author=Silsbeealum14 link=topic=109733.msg1378977#msg1378977 date=1361732810] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=109733.msg1378973#msg1378973 date=1361732554] [quote author=Silsbeealum14 link=topic=109733.msg1378971#msg1378971 date=1361732284] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=109733.msg1378964#msg1378964 date=1361731212] Why I am wasting my time with this country boy... ::)..just accept your teams beating like a man on Tuesday, and get back to your "double wide"! 8) [/quote] No double wides in Houston where I stay Elementary Coach !!! [/quote] Come on man...Don't turn this into that...Folks get out of the country, move to the city (where I'm from) and get uppity all of a sudden!  8) By the way, though I have much respect for the people that deal with Elementary aged kids, I have never done it on that level...try again... ::) ::) [/quote] Lol, my wife is a elementary teacher, I just consider your coaching ability on that level !!!! ;D I'm done, lets be Humble, lol [/quote] 8) 8)...I got you...But Joe Sigler does not want a piece of my sideline ability, I will tell you that!!  Him NOR Ira!!  ;D ;D...Just messing, those are my guys, man...I truly wish Silsbee luck against Yates, but I will tell you, it will be an UPHILL climb Tuesday night...I know what I would do against them, but Silsbee plays at ONE speed...FAST, and thats the wrong thing to do against them...I think last season Kingwood Park had the right idea, but did not stick to it in the 4th quarter, because they were simply worn down...Thats what they do to you. [/quote] I was at the Kingwood Park game and that, I would have to agree with you on. That's the only way Silsbee has a chance with Yates. I hope Sigler and Ira has that same mind set on doing that because that stall game they pull against Waco la vega last year cause us the game !! [/quote] Well I would not STALL, but I would definitely dictate the tempo....Going up and down against Yates is team suicide! Thats what they DO...I would make Yates defend each possession for about 35-40 seconds get to the basket, shoot layups or draw fouls and get to the line...I would also limit the amount of 3 point attempts I take, because missed threes are fast break starters for them...I would only allow WIDE open 3 point looks once we have run our sets to completion. Defensively I would pressure them and speed them up, and thats what Silsbee does well...They should pressure their guards heavily so that the bigs have problems getting touches...THATS what I would do against them.

[quote name="Honest Abe" post="1378975" timestamp="1361732600"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=109680.msg1378968#msg1378968 date=1361731685] Abe, can I ask you a serious question? What do you think that Brian English would have done with THAT bunch at Central? [/quote]That's a hard question. That's a lot of talent to coach! ;D Don't know if Coach E would implement his style of play/coaching or play a more up tempo style. His record shows that he can do more with less, and suggests that Central would still be playing if he were their coach. I didn't see the game (obviously), so it's hard to say what would have happened in THAT game. He may have done a better job at adjusting (during the game) to the matchup against a team like Georgetown. Sometimes though, the coach can put his players in the right position, but kids gotta execute that plan. What do you think? [/quote] I think you hit the nail on the head! In the playoffs its ALL about coaching adjustments and match ups...I know what Coach E can do adjustment wise, and I also know what the Central coach lacks in that area...NOT that Coach Lee is just that terrible, but Coach English is just that much better.  I do understand that this Central team is a very young group, but with that you also must implement another coaching dynamic, and thats taking advantage of the "too young to know any better" factor, and allow them to play loose as well... English HAS done more with less, and I feel that with more he would DO more!  ;)

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1378980" timestamp="1361733216"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=109731.msg1378972#msg1378972 date=1361732299] [quote author=Silsbeealum14 link=topic=109731.msg1378970#msg1378970 date=1361732009] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=109731.msg1378967#msg1378967 date=1361731582] [quote author=Silsbeealum14 link=topic=109731.msg1378965#msg1378965 date=1361731391] [quote author=Farmer Fran link=topic=109731.msg1378957#msg1378957 date=1361730365] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=109731.msg1378954#msg1378954 date=1361730080] [quote author=Silsbeealum14 link=topic=109731.msg1378950#msg1378950 date=1361729439] [quote author=Farmer Fran link=topic=109731.msg1378947#msg1378947 date=1361728828] [quote author=Silsbeealum14 link=topic=109731.msg1378943#msg1378943 date=1361728381] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=109731.msg1378927#msg1378927 date=1361724971] It's really unfortunate that Houston decided to allow Yates into 3A for these two years, honestly, because its really not fair. These 3A schools are having to literally compete with a team that could likely win the region in 4A this year...Silsbee is talented and tough, but they have ZERO chance against Yates.  Thats just the truth.  They may even play with them for a half or so, but Yates wears much bigger teams down, and they have size that rivals some small colleges...They are not gpoing to be scared of them, but reality will set at some point in that game and it will be over...Likely 20+...Deep down, the Silsbee faithful knows what it is... ;) [/quote] U think you know everything, shut ur trap sometimes are go get a degree and become a coach so Silsbee can smash your team .. Everything you said about Silsbee is negative, u don't know nothing !!! [/quote] He is a coach, that is the sad part. [/quote] Wow, smh... If its high school, he will never make it far. To much hate in his Blood !!!! [/quote] Mr Silsbee alum, I will gladly allow you to wear my state ring if you ever want to know what being a winner feels like!  ;D as a matter of fact being that we are Conference champs where I am now, I will gladly share that one as well... 8)...You folks really crack me up! [/quote] ::) ::) [/quote] Lol, As of matter of fact, I could let your wear my 4 conference champion rings I got playing for HBU if you like.. [/quote] HBU? I know they just went Division I, but weren't they like NAIA D-5??? lol...Come on man!!  8) [/quote] Lol, u funny... U such a big time Coach, u know what we where !!! NAIA powe house... Check the Rod Nealy"s and the Chis Millers and tell me where they went !!! C"mon Coach, Mr. Know it all [/quote] I have heard of them.....They never won anything BIG, but I know who they are from my SE Texas days.. ;)...Never said I knew it ALL, but I do know more than most!  ;D ;D ([color=red][font=arial black][b]Hey man I am working on [/b] [/font] [/color] [color=red][font=arial black]being more humble!  8))[/font][/color] [/quote] Work harder Dickie- there are not fruits from your labors yet. [/quote] I 100% DISAGREE...But you are entitled to your opinion, and I must respect that....But, you have NO IDEA, what I have done even as an assistant....Do you take away what Clay is to the HJ program? Of course not, he is valuable to them...So was I, when I was in that spot...You can't say that, nash..

[quote name="Silsbeealum14" post="1378977" timestamp="1361732810"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=109733.msg1378973#msg1378973 date=1361732554] [quote author=Silsbeealum14 link=topic=109733.msg1378971#msg1378971 date=1361732284] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=109733.msg1378964#msg1378964 date=1361731212] Why I am wasting my time with this country boy... ::)..just accept your teams beating like a man on Tuesday, and get back to your "double wide"! 8) [/quote] No double wides in Houston where I stay Elementary Coach !!! [/quote] Come on man...Don't turn this into that...Folks get out of the country, move to the city (where I'm from) and get uppity all of a sudden!  8) By the way, though I have much respect for the people that deal with Elementary aged kids, I have never done it on that level...try again... ::) ::) [/quote] Lol, my wife is a elementary teacher, I just consider your coaching ability on that level !!!! ;D I'm done, lets be Humble, lol [/quote] 8) 8)...I got you...But Joe Sigler does not want a piece of my sideline ability, I will tell you that!!  Him NOR Ira!!  ;D ;D...Just messing, those are my guys, man...I truly wish Silsbee luck against Yates, but I will tell you, it will be an UPHILL climb Tuesday night...I know what I would do against them, but Silsbee plays at ONE speed...FAST, and thats the wrong thing to do against them...I think last season Kingwood Park had the right idea, but did not stick to it in the 4th quarter, because they were simply worn down...Thats what they do to you.

[quote name="Silsbeealum14" post="1378971" timestamp="1361732284"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=109733.msg1378964#msg1378964 date=1361731212] Why I am wasting my time with this country boy... ::)..just accept your teams beating like a man on Tuesday, and get back to your "double wide"! 8) [/quote] No double wides in Houston where I stay Elementary Coach !!! [/quote] Come on man...Don't turn this into that...Folks get out of the country, move to the city (where I'm from) and get uppity all of a sudden!  8) By the way, though I have much respect for the people that deal with Elementary aged kids, I have never done it on that level...try again... ::) ::)

[quote name="Silsbeealum14" post="1378970" timestamp="1361732009"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=109731.msg1378967#msg1378967 date=1361731582] [quote author=Silsbeealum14 link=topic=109731.msg1378965#msg1378965 date=1361731391] [quote author=Farmer Fran link=topic=109731.msg1378957#msg1378957 date=1361730365] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=109731.msg1378954#msg1378954 date=1361730080] [quote author=Silsbeealum14 link=topic=109731.msg1378950#msg1378950 date=1361729439] [quote author=Farmer Fran link=topic=109731.msg1378947#msg1378947 date=1361728828] [quote author=Silsbeealum14 link=topic=109731.msg1378943#msg1378943 date=1361728381] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=109731.msg1378927#msg1378927 date=1361724971] It's really unfortunate that Houston decided to allow Yates into 3A for these two years, honestly, because its really not fair. These 3A schools are having to literally compete with a team that could likely win the region in 4A this year...Silsbee is talented and tough, but they have ZERO chance against Yates.  Thats just the truth.  They may even play with them for a half or so, but Yates wears much bigger teams down, and they have size that rivals some small colleges...They are not gpoing to be scared of them, but reality will set at some point in that game and it will be over...Likely 20+...Deep down, the Silsbee faithful knows what it is... ;) [/quote] U think you know everything, shut ur trap sometimes are go get a degree and become a coach so Silsbee can smash your team .. Everything you said about Silsbee is negative, u don't know nothing !!! [/quote] He is a coach, that is the sad part. [/quote] Wow, smh... If its high school, he will never make it far. To much hate in his Blood !!!! [/quote] Mr Silsbee alum, I will gladly allow you to wear my state ring if you ever want to know what being a winner feels like!  ;D as a matter of fact being that we are Conference champs where I am now, I will gladly share that one as well... 8)...You folks really crack me up! [/quote] ::) ::) [/quote] Lol, As of matter of fact, I could let your wear my 4 conference champion rings I got playing for HBU if you like.. [/quote] HBU? I know they just went Division I, but weren't they like NAIA D-5??? lol...Come on man!!  8) [/quote] Lol, u funny... U such a big time Coach, u know what we where !!! NAIA powe house... Check the Rod Nealy"s and the Chis Millers and tell me where they went !!! C"mon Coach, Mr. Know it all [/quote] I have heard of them.....They never won anything BIG, but I know who they are from my SE Texas days.. ;)...Never said I knew it ALL, but I do know more than most!  ;D ;D (Hey man I am working on being more humble!  8))

Abe, can I ask you a serious question? What do you think that Brian English would have done with THAT bunch at Central?

[quote name="Silsbeealum14" post="1378965" timestamp="1361731391"] [quote author=Farmer Fran link=topic=109731.msg1378957#msg1378957 date=1361730365] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=109731.msg1378954#msg1378954 date=1361730080] [quote author=Silsbeealum14 link=topic=109731.msg1378950#msg1378950 date=1361729439] [quote author=Farmer Fran link=topic=109731.msg1378947#msg1378947 date=1361728828] [quote author=Silsbeealum14 link=topic=109731.msg1378943#msg1378943 date=1361728381] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=109731.msg1378927#msg1378927 date=1361724971] It's really unfortunate that Houston decided to allow Yates into 3A for these two years, honestly, because its really not fair. These 3A schools are having to literally compete with a team that could likely win the region in 4A this year...Silsbee is talented and tough, but they have ZERO chance against Yates.  Thats just the truth.  They may even play with them for a half or so, but Yates wears much bigger teams down, and they have size that rivals some small colleges...They are not gpoing to be scared of them, but reality will set at some point in that game and it will be over...Likely 20+...Deep down, the Silsbee faithful knows what it is... ;) [/quote] U think you know everything, shut ur trap sometimes are go get a degree and become a coach so Silsbee can smash your team .. Everything you said about Silsbee is negative, u don't know nothing !!! [/quote] He is a coach, that is the sad part. [/quote] Wow, smh... If its high school, he will never make it far. To much hate in his Blood !!!! [/quote] Mr Silsbee alum, I will gladly allow you to wear my state ring if you ever want to know what being a winner feels like!  ;D as a matter of fact being that we are Conference champs where I am now, I will gladly share that one as well... 8)...You folks really crack me up! [/quote] ::) ::) [/quote] Lol, As of matter of fact, I could let your wear my 4 conference champion rings I got playing for HBU if you like.. [/quote] HBU? I know they just went Division I, but weren't they like NAIA D-5??? lol...Come on man!!  8)

Why I am wasting my time with this country boy... ::)..just accept your teams beating like a man on Tuesday, and get back to your "double wide"! 8)

The fact that I was actually SPEAKING UP for Silsbee, and you missed it is what's sad...such incompetence...  ::)...I should really stay in MY circles of basketball conversations, because some of you really drag me down!!  :P..(I am certainly not serious, of course)

No you won't... ::)...just another rabid fan smack talker, that knows NOTHING about this game...I simply stated the facts, and you can't see that. Instead you get angry, and want me off the board? That makes sense... ::)

[quote name="Silsbeealum14" post="1378950" timestamp="1361729439"] [quote author=Farmer Fran link=topic=109731.msg1378947#msg1378947 date=1361728828] [quote author=Silsbeealum14 link=topic=109731.msg1378943#msg1378943 date=1361728381] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=109731.msg1378927#msg1378927 date=1361724971] It's really unfortunate that Houston decided to allow Yates into 3A for these two years, honestly, because its really not fair. These 3A schools are having to literally compete with a team that could likely win the region in 4A this year...Silsbee is talented and tough, but they have ZERO chance against Yates.  Thats just the truth.  They may even play with them for a half or so, but Yates wears much bigger teams down, and they have size that rivals some small colleges...They are not gpoing to be scared of them, but reality will set at some point in that game and it will be over...Likely 20+...Deep down, the Silsbee faithful knows what it is... ;) [/quote] U think you know everything, shut ur trap sometimes are go get a degree and become a coach so Silsbee can smash your team .. Everything you said about Silsbee is negative, u don't know nothing !!! [/quote] He is a coach, that is the sad part. [/quote] Wow, smh... If its high school, he will never make it far. To much hate in his Blood !!!! [/quote] Mr Silsbee alum, I will gladly allow you to wear my state ring if you ever want to know what being a winner feels like!  ;D as a matter of fact being that we are Conference champs where I am now, I will gladly share that one as well... 8)...You folks really crack me up!

I am taking ANY AND ALL bets! ;)

[quote name="TopDawG52" post="1378931" timestamp="1361725856"] Yates wouldn't win a state championship in football in 2a. Cmon dv..... yates might as well get rid of the football program [/quote] Agreed, but back in the day Yates WAS known as a football power, not basketball...They had some great players to come through there, but did not win it all untill 2009 in basketball.

It's really unfortunate that Houston decided to allow Yates into 3A for these two years, honestly, because its really not fair. These 3A schools are having to literally compete with a team that could likely win the region in 4A this year...Silsbee is talented and tough, but they have ZERO chance against Yates.  Thats just the truth.  They may even play with them for a half or so, but Yates wears much bigger teams down, and they have size that rivals some small colleges...They are not gpoing to be scared of them, but reality will set at some point in that game and it will be over...Likely 20+...Deep down, the Silsbee faithful knows what it is... ;)

Since when is CROSBY and SAN AUGUSTINE, considered SE Texas schools? ::) ::)

[quote name="BADSANTA" post="1378733" timestamp="1361663748"] IMO Yates, Kashmere, Wheatly, and Milby should combine and may two 5A schools. Kashmere is a wreck and so is Wheatly. All being held together by old boards and love of the community. Could save HISD money to combine.Kashmere does have some very very bad student and I sat with some parents. You see why the kids don't know any better.  I feel bad for them! [/quote] First of all IF YOU ARE NOT FROM HOUSTON, and don't REALLY know the city, DONT COMMENT ABOUT IT, as if you do... ::) ::) How would you combine MILBY, WHEATLEY, YATES, AND KASHMERE? :o....There was talk to combine Wheatley and Kashmere a few years ago, but the 5th Ward community did not want that, and they have enough juice in the HISD brass to get what they want.  Milby and Yates should not even be in this discussion about consolidating schools...Yates is only 3A as a FOOTBALL EXPERIMENT so that they can become competitve again in the sport, and try to win a title...It didn't work...They will be 4A again next re-alignment, and honestly should be now..Milby's enrollment has been hurt by Chavez...Combining Milby and Chavez would be smart, but thats never been discussed.....I used to coach at Kashmere, and while there were and still are some knuckleheads there, its not unlike any other inner city school in America...Silsbee has it share of ignorant parents and knucklehead kids, but so does ANY OTHER area school...You have to understand that the Kashmere and Wheatley kids are no longer traditional neighborhood kids anymore...These kids are coming from low income, single and no parent homes for the most part, and it has only gotten WORSE over the last few years...When I coached there, we had MANY really good kids...MANY...and that was in the latter 90's...Wheatley AND Kashmere had kids that took pride in their school and community...Thats no longer there.

[quote name="proudmom#32" post="1378588" timestamp="1361638900"] I don't like speaking down on peoples kids,but Kashmere is beyond Hood!! They are some very disrespectful and untamed kids. These kids were let off the bus to partake in this fight. I believe that this school should be sanctioned for this event. [/quote] proudmom #32, they say the EXACT same thing about Silsbee kids around SE Texas, ma'am...The area around Kashmere has changed DRASTICALLY over the last few years...Leadership at the school has changed, and the community is NOT the same..It USED to be a very prideful area, but now all that is gone...City kids are a COMPLETELY different type of kid from what you are used to in Silsbee...HOWEVER to most in SE Texas you are no different from them. So you're right, don't talk down on them.