Dick Vitale

[quote name="Honest Abe" post="1384420" timestamp="1362941313"] [quote author=Skip Bayless link=topic=110063.msg1384398#msg1384398 date=1362935391] No team from this area beat Yates. So why are y'all trying to see which game would be closer? Yates doesn't care about how much they win by as long as they win. [/quote]Not trying to determine which game would closer. I made a point that people (DV in this case) assume the outcome of a game before it is played due to simply 'athleticism'. Had Silsbee not shot so poorly at the FT line, they could have won the game against Yates, correct? To say that Nederland doesn't have the athletes (on another thread) to compete with Yates, but good enough athletes to beat Silsbee is a contradiction, no? DV was unable to provide any facts as to why Yates would automatically win. His opinion is: Nederland doesn't have the athletes to compete against them and Yates has 8 'athletes'. Only 5 play at a time though correct? ??? Hmmm?? I've received no answer about this before, but I will ask again: Since when does an athletic team equate to an automatic victory over a 'non-athletic' team?? Last I checked, NEVER! It looks good during warmups, but when the whistle blows and the ball is tipped, it's anyone's game, and Nederland has proven (I know some don't like facts) that over and again. 8) [/quote] I DO agree with you, to an extent...If your team is more athletic and you have at least a DECENT coach on the sideline, odds are, the team with athletes will win...Thats a fact...Now, does it ALWAYS happen? No, but at the high school level, more often than not.

I do agree that this charter school/basketball factory had NO BUSINESS competing in UIL PEROID, let alone in class 1A...That was just not a wise move on the part of the UIL.

[quote name="Honest Abe" post="1384393" timestamp="1362932314"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110091.msg1384381#msg1384381 date=1362928946] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=110091.msg1383986#msg1383986 date=1362796393] [quote author=ozensfinest link=topic=110091.msg1383839#msg1383839 date=1362765803] I'm going to go with the experienced team and coach Yates [/quote].. ONLY because that weak 4a squad from Old Town Beaumont gave them a run for their money, huh?  That weak team couldn't possibly beat Yates, huh.  ::) [/quote]Yep, more kinda like that Pear Orchard squad gave Yates a run for their money in the final 13 seconds. ;) [/quote]Ozen hangs with Yates and loses by 3, but DV assumes that Nederland automatically loses to them even though Ned and Ozen split this year. ::) Gotta love his 'expertise'! ::) [/quote] I look at PERSONNEL, and Nederland has TWO players, and Yates has EIGHT...YOU do the math... ::) ::) You cannot POSSIBLY think that Nederland could play with, let alone BEAT Yates, do you? Ozen lost by 3 in NOVEMBER, yes, but how do you equate THAT with your team being able to play with them since you beat Ozen?...Its about matchups, and Nederland does not have ANYONE to match up with the Yates bigs...at least Ozen had SOME athletes, that will allow a late run or something like that...Nederland? No...GREAT coaching, but Yates would be a HUGE match up problem for Nederland...Come on man, this is what I do, I didn't learn this on YouTube! ::) ::)

[quote name="Kountzer" post="1384150" timestamp="1362861171"] kappa alpha psi  or something like that.  [/quote] That would be MY fraternity...Dove and Freeze belong to phi beta sigma.... Or something like that.. 8)

[quote name="Honest Abe" post="1384109" timestamp="1362853578"] Maybe Yates should try to win the championship at the 2A or 1A level since 4A and 3A didn't work out so well! ;) ;D [/quote] How bad would Yates beat Nederland?... ::) ::)...thought so... ;)...Maybe Nederland should try dropping to 3A... 8)

Yeah...a charter school "AAU" program competeing in Class A.... ::) ::)...Dallas area schools are SO DIRTY...They will go to ANY lengths to claim bragging rights over the Houston Area... ::)

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1383934" timestamp="1362779369"] [quote author=freeze 1914 link=topic=109900.msg1383915#msg1383915 date=1362776058] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=109900.msg1383914#msg1383914 date=1362775707] [quote author=freeze 1914 link=topic=109900.msg1383892#msg1383892 date=1362771029] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=109900.msg1383873#msg1383873 date=1362769571] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=109900.msg1383855#msg1383855 date=1362767399] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=109900.msg1383831#msg1383831 date=1362765106] I believe in never turning the ball over. [/quote]Impossible!Even Bob Cousy turned the ball over! Jerry West turned the ball over! Gail Goodrich turned the ball over! Kleggie Hermsen, another Celtic turned the ball over!!! [/quote] My point was, while it is fine to believe in playing the best, practicality and budgets will not always permit that. [/quote] that is true, but the same way they did for us to go play in dallas, they raised money and west brook to go play in canada a while back. i know hj faithful would put money behind them to travel. [/quote]Not if its considered "free stuff." [/quote] Dove you a fool... :P :P [/quote] G.O.M.A.B.  !!!!!!!  ;) I can see Nash saying now, "are those gang related code words?" [/quote] Oh my Lord... ::) ::)...I know Dove and Freeze pledged the WRONG FRAT and all, but must you confuse these people on here that have NO CLUE as to what you two are talking about? ;D ;D ;)...YO.... ;)

HISD has open enrollment. They USED to have zoning, but that ended several years ago. Whatever school that you initially enroll in as a 9th grader becomes your "home" school as far as athletics go. Students are NOT allowed to transfer within the district and play varsity sports, they must play sub varsity for one year unless there is proof that the students family has moved into that area, and that has to be verified before varsity eligibility is granted. It's a flawed system and kids transfer, but it's not a problem that is exclusive to Houston.

87.3%..... ;D ;D ;D...Thats a GREAT assessment!  8)

Is Jim Larranaga going to let him on the hardwood after football season ends? That kid is ATHLETIC!!!!

I just got off of the phone with one of many "AAU summer gurus", and I am just DISGUSTED! This guy, who called ME, asked about a kid of "his" that we are recruiting, that is eligible to leave junior college after just one year. He asked how much we were willing to "pay" to guarantee that this kid signs with us!  :o :o  I told him thats against the NCAA rules and thats not how we do it here...I WAS going to back off of the kid, but realized that its not HIS fault...PARENTS...If you are able to, PLEASE handle your kids recruitment, and stop allowing weasels like that guy to "pawn off" your kids...GET INVOLVED in the entire process! And DO NOT allow these guys to tell you that Division I is the ONLY way..There are SEVERAL different levels of college basketball in which  in ALL they can earn a COLLEGE DEGREE, at little or no cost to YOU, which should be the ultimate goal.. AAU basketball is a necessary evil, but we must get scumbags like that one out of the system, because he will RUIN it for some unsuspecting kid! GET INVOLVED IN YOUR KIDS RECRUITMENT!! PLEASE! (off of my soapbox now) 8)

LAZEEK, this is not a witch hunt...I am simply saying that there HAS been some kids that have come into the HJ school system exclusively because of the basketball program...NOTHING wrong with that, however, I was trying to prove that point to our esteemed colleague, Mr. Nash... ;)

Thats where you're wrong, my friend...I know exactly what I am talking about and you know it... ;)...I give you a hard time about HJ, but fact is, YOU HAVE gotten kids in that came there JUST FOR BASKETBALL...Do you dispute that?

[quote name="BADSANTA" post="1382706" timestamp="1362486908"] I have searched far and wide but I find no Yates grads as news achor, field reporter, or column writer. What does their communication program produce? TSU, PV,, or U of H dont have stellar communication programs. DV speak up money! [/quote] Dumb comments get no response from me... ::) ::)  But since there are others who may be wondering, I will entertain you this one time! 8)....There are MANY Yates grads all over the country that have excelled in MANY different areas, including communication which would include television, radio, and journalists...Come on man, I know you could not have searched far nor wide and not known that...GET OVER IT! No trips to Austin for anyone else in SE Texas in Class 3A until Yates moves back up to 4A...Get ready for track and baseball season! This one is DONE!... 8)

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1382714" timestamp="1362490518"] [quote author=ozensfinest link=topic=109933.msg1382681#msg1382681 date=1362459048] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=109933.msg1382645#msg1382645 date=1362452715] [quote author=ozensfinest link=topic=109933.msg1382502#msg1382502 date=1362427094] Hey soulja whats your excuse for Crosby being blown out? Remember you said "maybe crosby is just good this year" You ready to admit I was right about 20-4A this year? [/quote] It's all about matchups.  Maybe Crosby was a bad matchup for Ozen.  On The other side of the bracket, Central and Nederland lost to Georgetown.  How ironic was it that they made it to  the regional finals.  Sooooo, maybe they were THAT good... [/quote]Wasn't georgetown blown out in the regional finals? That don't happen to good teams my friend [/quote] If that statement was true, then the Ozen team that lost to Chris Bosh's Dallas Lincoln by 20 WASN'T a good team..C'mon, man.  Smh. [/quote] Boy I will tell ya, jealous CENTRAL FOLKS (Bmt. Soulja) will turn on you EVERYTIME! You KNOW that Dallas Lincoln game is a sore spot! >:(....Actually it was a 3 point game with 3 minutes to go....They made their free throws, we missed ours in the end, and the score was in NO WAY an indication on how that game went....Just FYI....hater... ::) ;D

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1382710" timestamp="1362489122"] [quote author=BADSANTA link=topic=109900.msg1382705#msg1382705 date=1362486603] NASH are u still bitter about that 28 point beat down? Get over it bro! It could have been[color=red][b] worst[/b][/color]! [/quote] The proper word is worse, not worst.  As previously stated many times before Yates was even reclassified as 3-a( hence it has nothing to do with the HJ loss to Yates), they dont acquire their players in the same manner that other schools do.  IF the loss at Yates was the problem, I would have been complaining about a similar type loss to Central early in the year. [/quote] How does HJ "acquire" players, nash? Please, do tell... ::) ::)....Do they open their gym doors in the summer and allow kids to come play? If they are impressed by the program, and decide to come to your school, do they turn them away? I think not.... ::).....OR does HJ play with "homegrown talent"? If they did, in basketball, they would NOT survive...(see Lumberton, Bridge City, PNG, and ask how that homegrown talent works out in their communities) ;)

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1382616" timestamp="1362447493"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=109900.msg1382603#msg1382603 date=1362445536] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=109900.msg1382600#msg1382600 date=1362445349] Many people "knew" Lance Armstrong. [/quote] You know that there is a difference... ::) ::)....I KNOW that Greg Wise is no "recruiter"...By any stretch of the imagination...If his name were BILL KRUEGER and the school were in a suburb such as Clear Lake, it would be "acceptable" for kids to go there, wouldn't it?  ::) [/quote] You and I both know that Mr. Krueger never had a continual stream of move ins.  As I said before, you dont have to call it recruiting but the school still acquires the bulk of its players in a manner different from those with whom it competes.  Two from Africa coming for communications excellence?  Give me a break.  I wonder if Mr. Wise coaches basketball in any other form other than at Yates?    I wonder if any of the kids who play (have played) for him(in those alternate formats) wound up being students at Yates?  Someone on here who is from Houston recently stated that the team had 6 players on it that were not some type of "move in".  By the way, your racial inferences are also losing credibility. [/quote] And your constant hatred toward Yates HS Basketball program or anything else that is not Republican or non-"urban" is getting quite old!  Build it, and they will come! When HJ has 100% "homegrown" kids in their program, then you can have something to say...Until then, hold your stones! ;)

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1382600" timestamp="1362445349"] Many people "knew" Lance Armstrong. [/quote] You know that there is a difference... ::) ::)....I KNOW that Greg Wise is no "recruiter"...By any stretch of the imagination...If his name were BILL KRUEGER and the school were in a suburb such as Clear Lake, it would be "acceptable" for kids to go there, wouldn't it?  ::)

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1382585" timestamp="1362441149"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=109991.msg1382574#msg1382574 date=1362436984] Please note that sometimes "takes" CAN mean gladly accepts a kid (or kids) and then tries to condemn other schools that happen to get kids that transfer into their school in the Houston area....and sarcastiscally mocks said program, because they have an excellent magnet school of communications... ::) ::) [/quote] Also, please note that 1 transfer in five years is somewhat different than 40 this past August who, rest assured, were not coming for communications excellence.  Get a new excuse, that one has ZERO credibility.  Are you not curious as to why the girls program doesnt have nearly the success that the boys does? [/quote] So does ONE murder not get you lethal injection in the State of Texas, or does it take 40 to get that penalty?  ;)

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1382584" timestamp="1362441035"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=109900.msg1382579#msg1382579 date=1362438097] In this instance? Absolutely.  ;) [/quote] I believe it was Lance Armstrong, who, for a very long time, was as adamant as you are right now.  You dont have any way of knowing whether a parent or two told this individual what he claims he was told. Is this sort of like "Mack" Scalabrini? [/quote] Like I said..ONE of them is just not telling the truth...I have known Mr. Wise for the majority of my LIFE...His PERSONALITY is not that of a "recruiter"...IF he were in the gym during practice, I would bet my paycheck that it was not for long...I KNOW him...MOST of you have only heard of him...Fans.. ::)

In this instance? Absolutely.  ;)

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1382571" timestamp="1362436583"] Then if its just senseless lies with no credibility, why even pay him the time of day? [/quote] Because it is a serious allegation and attack on a person that I know....NOT having that... ;)

Please note that sometimes "takes" CAN mean gladly accepts a kid (or kids) and then tries to condemn other schools that happen to get kids that transfer into their school in the Houston area....and sarcastiscally mocks said program, because they have an excellent magnet school of communications... ::) ::)

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1382554" timestamp="1362433121"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=109991.msg1382515#msg1382515 date=1362428341] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=109991.msg1382462#msg1382462 date=1362419872] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=109991.msg1382458#msg1382458 date=1362419379] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=109991.msg1382455#msg1382455 date=1362419146] Yates is credited with 1000 students and they are in 3-A LCM has ......1123  /4-A Livingston.........1143/ 4-A Ozen .............1264/ 4-A So if these 4-A schools drop to 1000 students, is it possible they move into 3-A?????? [/quote] Very possible but do not see these schools dropping that much in enrollment. 3A (which will be reclassified as 4A next realignment) ceiling number may go up to as much as 1050 next realignment, but not much more. [/quote] So, 4-A is moving to 5-A? And the big schools along with the cheating schools will go 6-A? [/quote] Dove- Arent you a believer that there are no cheating schools? [/quote] Sure there are cheating schools out there, Nash!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [/quote] I know of one that takes kids from Beaumont and then tries to justify it.... ::) ::)

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1382557" timestamp="1362433698"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=109900.msg1382551#msg1382551 date=1362432227] [quote author=pallacanestro link=topic=109900.msg1382526#msg1382526 date=1362429970] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=109900.msg1382509#msg1382509 date=1362427703] [quote author=pallacanestro link=topic=109900.msg1382486#msg1382486 date=1362424698] Hey Dove...do you know where the Houston Defenders (Elite AAU) practice?  Do you know who watches almost every single practice?  Do you know who tries to recruit the players who practice there?  I do for a fact because I have had parents of players on the Defenders tell me he does!  Lets quit acting like it doesn't happen.  As far as "UIL passing everything", UIL only gets involved after the DEC.  And Yates' DEC is all HISD.  More recognition that comes to HISD the better, so they will overlook a lot of stuff.  ***Nothing I said in this post is an opinion.  Please prove me wrong.  Thank you. [/quote] LOL! I talk with one of The Defender coaches at least twice a month. In fact, I was in my hometown (Houston)  [color=red]YESTERDAY[/color] and talked with him for over an hour. Hmmm, come to think of it, I know most of the parents on that team. [color=red][b]Also, there is nothing wrong with Wise coming to their practices. He has players on that team.[/b][/color] Go to enough of those top tier team practices and you will see other high school coaches just being in a gym on a weekend getting the smell of sweat and rubber, cause they can't get enough of it. I tell you what you do with your opinion, next time, get one of your parents  to make accusations like this on this forum. And I can ask them some point blank questions  ;) [/quote] Well lets see there Dove...sense attending summer practices, where your players attend, is a direct violation of UIL rules, I guess there is something wrong with it.  And my quote about Wise trying to get a player to move there came directly from a parent whose son has been on the team for a couple of years. [/quote] You really need to leave this alone. You really don't know what you are typing about  ;D [/quote] Dove, why are you so adamant that this individual should not be able to give out his interpretation of things? [/quote] Because either HE is LYING or the alleged "parent" is....Either way, the guy should leave it alone, because it is OBVIOUS he hasn't a clue as to what he is saying or speaking of...