Dick Vitale

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1391073" timestamp="1365006946"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=110499.msg1391071#msg1391071 date=1365006667] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110499.msg1391054#msg1391054 date=1365003238] I'd like to throw in another question. Sort of a different question if yall don't mind. Its the off season Do you think (the majority of) players get scholarships playing high school ball these days? [/quote] Yes and no. SENIORS that are unsigned will likely get looks based on the HS season and body of work, along with how they perform possibly on a visit. Underclassmen will likely get looks from the summer circuit, and have that look verified during the next HS season.  THATS how it works.  ;) [/quote] Then, if I am understanding you correctly, a player gets "discovered" during AAU play and his abilities are confirmed during the basketball season? [/quote] If we do our homework, we will have "discovered" most of them long before the AAU season. However, there are some that are seen in summer ball, and confirmed during the HS season, yes.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1391054" timestamp="1365003238"] I'd like to throw in another question. Sort of a different question if yall don't mind. Its the off season Do you think (the majority of) players get scholarships playing high school ball these days? [/quote] Yes and no. SENIORS that are unsigned will likely get looks based on the HS season and body of work, along with how they perform possibly on a visit. Underclassmen will likely get looks from the summer circuit, and have that look verified during the next HS season.  THATS how it works.  ;)

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1390817" timestamp="1364929648"] There does not appear to be a lot of holes/gaps in the Syracuse zone. [/quote] Of course there is.  Its sometimes just hard to see with all of that length they have! Syracuse believes in that zone and they live and die by it. Which means they may play it a little better than most teams that use it as a secondary defense.

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1390813" timestamp="1364928871"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=110733.msg1390811#msg1390811 date=1364928561] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=110733.msg1390739#msg1390739 date=1364916557] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=110733.msg1390727#msg1390727 date=1364915563] Some coaches just believe in the zone concept, and what it can do to a team defensively. My dad was a HUGE zone guy..Me, not so much..I think that zones expose weaknesses in a team's ability to actually defend. On the high school level, trapping zones thrown in every now and then are good to stymie a team offensively and get them off of their rhythm, but like any other zone, if you stay in it long enough, they will adapt to it, and its no longer effective. Its hard to adapt to tough man defense..If you can disrupt an offense playing man, you've done something! That means you are guarding your B---S off!  ;D ;D...Side note: You DO NOT have to have athletes to play man, contrary to what some may think.  As a coach you have to be able to teach more "team" man concepts, which emphasizes help principles...But thats another conversation for another day.. ;) [/quote] Dickie- Don't help principles imply that some sort of "zone" is, in effect, being used?  As for "staying in it long enough" would that statement not apply to any type of defense? [/quote] [size=12pt][/size][color=red][color=red][size=12pt][/size][/color][color=black]You can NEVER really adapt to a solid MAN defense[/color]...[/color]You can make some adjustments, meaning a ball screen or back pick here or there, but as far as adapting to a good one, not really...The key word in my statement about zone was EMPHASIZING....Placing EMPHASIS on help principles... ::) ::)...Stevenash, this is the WRONG area to challenge me, my friend... 8) [/quote] If what you say is true (you can NEVER really adapt) then how does anybody ever score on a solid man to man defense?  You must also then explain to me why Syracuse is still in the tourney.  After all, they have encountered some very talented and smart oppositions along the way.  By the way Dickie, you may think I shouldnt challenge you in this area but I have no problem doing so.  There are few, if any, absolutes in these types of discussions and I have access to some pretty decent minds regarding the game. [/quote] Which is why I said players and teams can ADJUST...If you are being harrassed constatanly by a great man defense, you don't ever really adapt to that kind of pressure...You adjust...Against zones you can adapt by finding "holes" or gaps in the zone...There is no perfect defense which will hold a team scoreless, but tough man defense sure does make it hard to get what you want.. ;)

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1390739" timestamp="1364916557"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=110733.msg1390727#msg1390727 date=1364915563] Some coaches just believe in the zone concept, and what it can do to a team defensively. My dad was a HUGE zone guy..Me, not so much..I think that zones expose weaknesses in a team's ability to actually defend. On the high school level, trapping zones thrown in every now and then are good to stymie a team offensively and get them off of their rhythm, but like any other zone, if you stay in it long enough, they will adapt to it, and its no longer effective. Its hard to adapt to tough man defense..If you can disrupt an offense playing man, you've done something! That means you are guarding your B---S off!  ;D ;D...Side note: You DO NOT have to have athletes to play man, contrary to what some may think.  As a coach you have to be able to teach more "team" man concepts, which emphasizes help principles...But thats another conversation for another day.. ;) [/quote] Dickie- Don't help principles imply that some sort of "zone" is, in effect, being used?  As for "staying in it long enough" would that statement not apply to any type of defense? [/quote] You can NEVER really adapt to a solid MAN defense...You can make some adjustments, meaning a ball screen or back pick here or there, but as far as adapting to a good one, not really...The key word in my statement about zone was EMPHASIZING....Placing EMPHASIS on help principles... ::) ::)...Stevenash, this is the WRONG area to challenge me, my friend... 8)

Some coaches just believe in the zone concept, and what it can do to a team defensively. My dad was a HUGE zone guy..Me, not so much..I think that zones expose weaknesses in a team's ability to actually defend. On the high school level, trapping zones thrown in every now and then are good to stymie a team offensively and get them off of their rhythm, but like any other zone, if you stay in it long enough, they will adapt to it, and its no longer effective. Its hard to adapt to tough man defense..If you can disrupt an offense playing man, you've done something! That means you are guarding your B---S off!  ;D ;D...Side note: You DO NOT have to have athletes to play man, contrary to what some may think.  As a coach you have to be able to teach more "team" man concepts, which emphasizes help principles...But thats another conversation for another day.. ;)

[quote name="understand" post="1390321" timestamp="1364758818"] DV whats the name of your team, and do you have any Beaumont kids on your team [/quote] Midwestern State University, and no, we don't have any Beaumont kids, YET...Maybe I will be able to scoop up one or two over the next few recruiting seasons... ;) 8)

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1390190" timestamp="1364664516"] Watching Division11 West Liberty vs Metro State in Final 8. This game is fast paced- an organized track meet similar to the top teams who play on the Nike & Adidas summer circuit. Great opportunity to watch D11 and see the how good these kids are. Another outlet for the high school kids to try and get schollies. [/quote] It's the ELITE EIGHT...and Metro State is the team that beat us in the regional final last week....They have advanced to the championship game in Atlanta for next week... >:( >:( >:(.....In D2, the ELITE EIGHT is like the D1 FINAL FOUR, because in D2 there are 8 regions as opposed to 4 in D1...The Elite Eight games are held in Louisville this year and the championship game in Atlanta, where the D1 championship game is...it is set for next Sunday..We should have been there THIS year, but this is why I am working so hard getting kids signed for next season! Darn AAU!  >:(  8)

Greg Kite went to MADISON, actually....HOUSTON MADISON... ;)

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1389364" timestamp="1364400278"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=110538.msg1389358#msg1389358 date=1364399924] If you were in the room with greatness, would you have to ask who it is? Exactly! ;) ;D ;D [/quote] If I was in the room with LeBron, Kobe, MJ, Bird, Magic, Auberbach, Jackson, Krzyzewski, I wouldnt have to ask who it is.  Pretty sure you are not yet in that crowd. [/quote] YET is the key word in that statement, my good friend! 8)....Plus those coaches are MUCH older than me, so I am headed in the right direction to one day BE in such great company! ;)

If you were in the room with greatness, would you have to ask who it is? Exactly! ;) ;D ;D

AAU is the DEVIL!! >:( >:( 8)

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1388908" timestamp="1364316519"] Here is a question for you Dickie-  When you are talking with a potential recruit, do you let them know that they are talking to basketball "royalty"? [/quote] If they have to ask, they are not worthy of my time.... ::) ::) ;D ;D

The problem is AAU "coaches" trying to sell kids to the highest bidder!  8) As soon as I get a free minute and some wifi on one these flights, I will give you the lowdown!  8) 8) On the recruiting trail as we speak... ;)

So the fact that they did not all attend the same kindergarten makes them "illegitimate"?

Definitely need to get out more!  8)

[quote name="Farmer Fran" post="1386719" timestamp="1363722795"] [quote author=usedtobe link=topic=110076.msg1386717#msg1386717 date=1363722555] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=110076.msg1386716#msg1386716 date=1363722369] See Dove and myself are realists who can see the entire picture as it is....If Mumford were....[b].more "urban"[/b], they would be viewed just as these kids from AAA are....cheaters...REALIST view..They "acquire" their kids in the same manner and in stevenash's eyes, and apparently some similar thinkers, its perfectly ok...After all...They are [b]SUBurban[/b]...right? ::) ::) [/quote] I cannot for the life of me see how you, Dickie V, with all those degrees and education that you say you have, can STILL have such stupid opinions. ??? :o ::) [/quote] When he can not think of anything intelligent to post..He plays the race card...smh [/quote] Its not playing the race card, its playing the real card....But since YOU brought it up, I will ask you a question...What is the MAJORITY demographic of the schools that you all are calling having "unfair" advantages? Does anyone come to their rescue during their persective BASEBALL seasons? Because if you do your research, minorities in the inner cities DO NOT have little league baseball programs, yet are expected to compete with those that do...So you tell me...Is THAT an unfair advantage for baseball, or is that just the way it is? [quote author=usedtobe link=topic=110076.msg1386717#msg1386717 date=1363722555] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=110076.msg1386716#msg1386716 date=1363722369] See Dove and myself are realists who can see the entire picture as it is....If Mumford were.....more "urban", they would be viewed just as these kids from AAA are....cheaters...REALIST view..They "acquire" their kids in the same manner and in stevenash's eyes, and apparently some similar thinkers, its perfectly ok...After all...They are SUBurban...right? ::) ::) [/quote] I cannot for the life of me see how you, Dickie V, with all those degrees and education that you say you have, can STILL have such stupid opinions. ??? :o ::) [/quote] One's OPINION can NEVER be stupid...Only STUPID people who do not have a clue, feel that way...Understand? Stupid?  ;)

See Dove and myself are realists who can see the entire picture as it is....If Mumford were.....more "urban", they would be viewed just as these kids from AAA are....cheaters...REALIST view..They "acquire" their kids in the same manner and in stevenash's eyes, and apparently some similar thinkers, its perfectly ok...After all...They are SUBurban...right? ::) ::)

[quote name="DXTR" post="1386486" timestamp="1363651019"] [quote author=Farmer Fran link=topic=110129.msg1386419#msg1386419 date=1363637742] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=110129.msg1386414#msg1386414 date=1363637170] [quote author=BADSANTA link=topic=110129.msg1384593#msg1384593 date=1363011570] Since Im a Silsbee native I will break it down. Silsbee may have had the best talent overall in SETX over the last 35 years next to PA Lincoln. Silsbee has never been able to get over the hump to win state. I have seen Silsbee teams that have had 3 Allstate players at one time come up short. If these two have the talent to make their teammates better amd keep those grades up, who knows. I wish them the best of luck and ill be sure to catch a game or two. If they can win state is a very tough question to answer since I have nothing to compare to yet. [/quote] SECOND behind PA Lincoln??? NO sir, they are not...You ever hear of a Beaumont ISD school called Hebert? The one that actually won a state title or two? They had more talent than Silsbee...So has Central over that time span and Westbrook too...Talent is Silsbee? Absolutely, yes...MORE than the BISD schools...NO WAY. [/quote] I agree with the Hebert statement. If Central and Westbrook have had more talent than Silsbee, they certainly have not shown it. [/quote]I agree with the Farmer.  Hebert (yes), Ozen (ehhh), Central (no way), Westbrook (not even close). [/quote] Ozen- DEFINITELY BETTER! (are you kidding me?) Perk, Keena Young, Kris Richards, DeCarlos Frank, Mike Thomas, Brandon Chappell, Jason Dabney...come on man, really? WB- Luke Jackson, Omar Sneed, Paris Corner, Golden Corner, Jeremy Long, Trey McDowell...Did Silsbee EVER have anyone CLOSE to these guys? Central- Damon Sweet, Perry Hill, Eric Rideaux, Jamar Gulley, Skip Jackson....Maybe Darrel MacArthur could get in with these guys or Damion Bush, but you are talking about TWO guys, and I could keep going on and on!! Come on man, don't be ridiculous....Beaumont has had better atheletes, I have no idea why BADSANTA started this convo!! :o

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1386449" timestamp="1363642466"] [quote author=pallacanestro link=topic=110312.msg1386413#msg1386413 date=1363637050] "Those without morals see no wrong." That is what I have learned from my short time on this board. [/quote]And then there are those "who think they have more  morals"  than others. Thats what I have learned since being a member on this board!!  ;) [/quote] ;D ;D ;D My thoughs EXACTLY! +1 for you!! ;)

I was ANSWERING THE GUY'S QUESTION!!! >:(

From 1978-2002 when Lincoln closed its doors they won 7 state titles and during that span BISD has won 3 (2 @ Hebert, 1 @ Ozen)...Should they have had more? Absolutely, yes... 8)

Stevenash probably thinks "Jim Crow" means seperate but equal... ::) ::)

I will try this just ONE MORE TIME....BEAUMONT HAS HAD MORE TALENT THAN SILSBEE SINCE 1978! I said NOTHING about the wins and losses or state appearances, and even at that Beaumont STILL has more... I said BISD HAS HAD MORE TALENTED PLAYERS since 1978 (last 35 years) which was the ORIGINAL question! It is that simple..... ::)

[quote name="Farmer Fran" post="1386424" timestamp="1363638382"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=110129.msg1386423#msg1386423 date=1363638059] He said over the last 35 years...That would be since 1978... ::)....Beaumont has had MORE talent in that span...Period. [/quote] Besides Hebert and Ozen winning titles...Please explain all that talent that Central & Westbrook has. How many trips to Austin have they made, with all that talent? I think Central has made it once. [/quote] Making it to state is not the question...It was about TALENT...and Beaumont had more....With titles only coming from Ozen and Hebert...