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There’s plenty of evidence that indicates that he’s done something. Is there proof? I don’t think so. And it doesn’t matter, because his supporters can hear him (In his own voice) demanding that the Secretary of State from Georgia “find me the votes,” but think that there’s no “there” there. But then be freaking out for joy this week when the feds run through the Georgia election department, but be mad when the feds went and retrieved classified documents from Mir-a-Lago because Trump hadn’t done anything wrong. His supporters are only committed to one thing. Not conservatism, not America, not Christ, not even committed to the idea of right and wrong… but they are steadfastly committed to Trump.

It goes way further back than that. When you go back to the Nixon years, you had Rs who told Nixon “we’re going to vote to convict… you need to resign.” Somewhere in the 90s is when things really started to get more adversarial, and we no longer hold “our” guys accountable. From the Whitewater investigation that turned into Clinton being impeached for lying about honking his intern… it’s just been getting worse. The “Lil Bushie” cartoon when we were in the gulf war. The racist attacks on Obama, combined with his opinions/views/policies on race that only widened racial gaps. I can remember being astounded in ‘15 when Trump came out in the first debate hammering everybody on stage-it was comedy gold and we’d never seen anything like it on the presidential stage before. But now that angry, attack, lie, defame strategy is found at every level of government. Is he to blame? Nah, he was just the first to one to do it… we’re to blame for accepting it. And here’s the thing… I correct my own kids, not anybody else’s. I’m a conservative, Christian, Texan, American. I used to say Republican, but when I see what republicans support today, I can’t claim to be one of them. And MAGA is a horrible political movement that has hijacked, then destroyed the Republican/conservative movement for decades to come, I’m afraid. Ted Cruz used to be considered the most raging conservative prick. Even Republicans had a hard time dealing with him because he was too rigidly right wing. Today he’s “Lyin’ Ted,” a no-good RINO who needs to be taken out by “We The People.” And it’s not because his views have changed, he just wasn’t MAGA enough for MAGA. Same with John Cornyn. At once thought to be the third most conservative member of the US Senate, he’s now facing a defeat by “Our General” Ken Paxton, the corrupt Texas Attorney General who is loved for being one of Trump’s biggest attack dogs, in spite of everything he’s done. Greg Abbott? MAGA hates him now. With MAGA, it doesn’t matter what crimes you commit, as long as you’re loyal to Trump, you’ll have the support of the voters. But you’re right… I’m definitely more vocal when I see “my” side screwing up-because I expect my side to do right, regardless of what the other side is doing. Weak men, when faced with their own shortcomings, will say “yeah, but look what everybody else was doing, too.”

Oh, I suspect that there are some truths about Trump down in there somewhere. But they’re buried in so many lies that they’ll never be proven. I just feel bad for the federal agents that have to comb through the millions of documents trying to decide what’s legit and what’s not, while recognizing the very definition of legit changes every four years and your career depends on how the future boss might view your responses in regards to your current bosses’ directives.

I’ll use this topic and forum as a prime example of what’s wrong with America today, and why the American experiment is approaching its end much, much sooner than I’d thought. Both sides are so entrenched that even good men ignore wrong actions if it’s their side that’s doing it. Good, fiscal conservative men can’t even find their voice to admit that “yeah, suing the USA is dumb and in no way what he should be doing.” You have guys like TVC who stood in front of classes of future LEOs who today can’t find the voice to say “yeah, that ICE agent shouldn’t have shoved that female protestor three yards into the snow” when asked multiple times for an opinion. You have God-fearing Christians that turn their back on God and say “oh, it’s just locker room talk” or “but look at the choice we had,” when in fact they just have no moral compass of their own. We’ve reached a point where our debt is literally destroying the value of the dollars that we’re all hoping to have when we reach retirement age, and all “they” want is handouts and all “we” want is more tax cuts that we can’t afford. We all want it ALL, and our main concern is making sure that we’re not the one who pays for it. “I want no taxes on overtime, no taxes on tips, no taxes on the elderly, tax cuts for everybody else, plus a few trillion to buy Greenland… and $10 billion dollars for Donald Trump, too, while you’re at it.”

Yeah… just finished while reading through the Epstein files released yesterday, and as a reasonable person, a lot of it seems fictional, at least in regards to Trump. Don’t get me wrong… I believe Trump when he confessed to sexually assaulting women. I believe the jury was right when they found him responsible for the assault on E Jean Carroll. But a bunch of unfounded, unproven, and quite frankly unbelievable accusations don’t do anything but give Trumps adversaries something to point at as proof of guilt when it’s not. Typically when the state has somebody on multiple charges, and they really, really want a conviction, they hang onto a few hole cards. They won’t try the person for everything, so if it goes wrong and they miss, they have more arrows in the quiver if they can use for another try at a conviction. The problem with the pursuit of Trump is that it seems like prosecutors take the opposite approach… they throw everything that they can at him… the legitimate charges and the ones they know are bogus, just hoping they juries will be like “well, when there’s this much smoke, there has to be fire” and convict him of something.

Yep.. a bunch of “I’m more MAGA than any other Republican” candidates are gonna have some tough sledding in the general election. I really hope there are enough patriots left in Washington that can manage to get him impeached and removed from office in early ‘27.

You can’t claim to be “America First” and sue the USA for $10 billion dollars. In the past couple of weeks he’s sued the USA, Chase Bank, and the BBC. I thought we elected him to run the country, not sue everybody on the planet. Donald Trump is a stain on the underpants of humanity.

[Hidden Content] As expected, Trump and his family have file a suit demanding $10 billion in damages from the US Treasury. Baddog: “THIS is what I voted for.” Reagan: “But he doesn’t even take a salary.” Every other conservative: “I’d sue them, too.” It an interesting way to push his approval ratings even lower. *and the person who gets to decide whether or not to settle this claim will be DJT himself, according to DJT. Right when you think it can’t get any worse, it does.

I’ve been here since 2010. I changed my username, though. It used to be mikelbene. I’ve just been lurking for years. I miss Cardinalbacker. You could tell he was genius.

We all have our own biases, but let’s PRETEND. The year is 2029 and the democrats have unsurprisingly recaptured the presidency, and control both chambers of Congress after winning only the house in 2026. The new President sends federal agents to Texas to try and flip the state permanently blue, and will use the voting records surrendered by Greg Abbott to the Trump administration back in late 2025 to do so. Their plan is to root out any discrepancies that can be found where voters registered in the wrong precinct, didn’t sign their voter ID card, etc. Unfortunately, anyone who was loyal to the previous Trump administration was purged from their federal job within two weeks of the New Democrat President taking office. ICE? Completely purged of Trump loyalists and replaced by young militants. BLM, ANTIFA, etc… and they are very well aware of what they can get away with legally-they’ve been paying attention the last four years. You find yourself on a brisk late fall afternoon headed to watch a football game in the Houston area… you are forced to stop at a checkpoint when you get down off of the interstate and the “new” ICE agents spot the faded “Trump 2024” bumper sticker that you’ve been meaning to scrape off the back glass, and now they’re ordering you and your wife out of the car. These guys are yelling contradictory orders at you, and you freeze in confusion. They snatch open your door and yank you from the car, then throw you face first on the pavement. The same thing happens to your wife, and you look on in horror under the car to see a “New” ICE agent pressing his knee pad onto your wife’s head, grinding her face into the asphalt. You protest her mistreatment, and in the resulting struggle you are killed in a hail of gunfire. Within 30 minutes the entire administration talks about how you are a fascist, and the talking heads will be pointing out your voting history (and posts on political message boards) as “proof” that you are a domestic terrorist who set out from home that day intending to kill federal agents. Politics are like a penduluum. It swings one way, then it goes back the other. In 2000, they wrote an obituary for the Dems thinking that they’d never win another presidency. They said the same thing about the Rs never winning again after Obama was reelected in 2012. People seem to forget that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. The things that we’re okay with today, because it’s “our” side that’s doing them, will be revisited upon us in due time. We ought to be more focused on right and wrong, and how we’d feel if it were done to “us” instead of “them.”

Absolutely. One that was by the book, no room for disagreement. A traffic stop where the subject emerges from the vehicle brandishing a handgun in a threatening manner and the officer puts two in his chest. Closed book, problem solved. My guess is that most instructors for LEOs cringe at what they’re seeing. My guess is also that most supervisors pray that their officers never behave so stupidly.

I think one of the more telling things is this… no actual police experts are coming out and saying “good shoot. This is how we train our officers to respond.” You have the right to blow a whistle. You have the right to film police work. You have a right to yell, insult, or even curse police. You have a right to carry a gun. You have a right to peacefully protest. What the police don’t have is the right to do is initiate contact, “accidentally” kill you, then say “well, he was a terrorist. if Democrat leaders weren’t encouraging people to do these things, he wouldn’t be dead.” Which pretty much sums up the last two killings by MAGA agents and the immediate response from the right. The main problem is that we’re all so short sighted. After events like this, either side can be like “well, sucks for y’all” and then be completely blindsided when the other side escalates the conflict. Somebody is out there right now thinking… “oh, yeah? How can I hit those fascists back?” The same people who cried about Charlie Kirk seem pretty “okay” with protestors getting gunned down. And vice versa…. People who were excited about CK’s passing are FURIOUS about what happened in Minnesota. We should all be disgusted by both events. I encourage each of you to look at a family photo and try to decide which of your family members are most likely to be lost if an actual conflict breaks out. Because the reality is that we’ll all lose people if both sides don’t figure out how to turn down the heat before it all blows up. It’s easy to get on here and spam post on behalf of “our” side, but reality exists beyond our screens.

It looked to me like he was clear of the car when he fired the first shot. It went into the windshield about two inches from the outside edge. BUT, if he believed that she just tried to run him down, and since he was seriously injured in a similar situation months ago, I can understand being a little quick on the trigger. I guess the real difference is this… either side can say “if you weren’t here this wouldn’t have happened.” And they’d both be right.

For me? I’m gonna spring from my bed buck naked and grab the 9 (and at least one extra mag) from the nightstand on go on the offensive with that spare mag tucked between my cheeks. I think being unclothed would make me harder to subdue if they even willing to put their hands on me.

We’re not that far apart… I feel like the shooter in the first incident put himself into a really, really bad spot by positioning himself in front of a car for any reason, but specially if it was potentially going to flee like in this case… I personally though that she turned her wheels and tried to avoid him. I don’t like the fact that he fired into the car as she was driving by. I’m all in favor of shooting a murderer if he’s attempting to flee and potentially hurt more people. I’m not as excited about shooting someone who’s attempting to flee a basic traffic stop. It’s just too much. Do I think that the officer positioned himself in harms way to justify shooting a “f b” as he called her? No. My opinion is that he was very poorly trained. The one on Saturday was just a train wreck. It’s hard to justify, other than to say “accidents happen,” I guess.

I value your perspective as an instructor of policemen. I expect you to be more sympathetic to the blue whenever any latitude can be given, but I still like to hear what you think. Can you give your opinion on the two Minnesota shootings? Do you agree with the tactics of the shooter in the first episode (standing in front of the car, shooting as the suspect flees, etc). Same thing with the second incident… how do you feel about the agent that shoved the lady to the ground which seemed to trigger the whole confrontation? The pistol whipping, the celebration by agents immediately after, etc. Were these incidents handled “by the book,” or do you feel the actions by agents were outside the bounds of what you’d expect from LEOs?

ICE training was shortened last year to six and a half, six days weeks. [Hidden Content]

Here’s the thing… ICE’s budget after the Big Beautiful Bill is larger than the United States Marine Corp’s. It’s larger than the FBI, DEA, and ATF combined. They’re a group of Trump loyalists, heavily armed, poorly trained, unvetted, hate the constitution and the rights afforded by it, and are willing to do whatever Trump tells them. And you guys are going to support it right up until that light bulb goes off in your head and you realize that you supported the creation of the SS 2.0.

No, but if you’re walking down the street and the MAGA Agents suspect you have a gun, they can kill you with immunity. It’s like that old episode of South Park where the old white guys keep yelling “he’s got a gun” and just blasting, except it’s real life and MAGA supports it. Let’s not forget that a jury in Minnesota gave Derek Chauvin life in prison for kneeling on George Floyd’s neck until he was dead. How do think those same people feel about MAGA Agents killing anyone who crosses their path, then coming up with any ol’ reason to justify the execution? Change is coming.

No, every uprising has been by the downtrodden standing up to an over-reaching government. The American Revolution was hardly a leftist movement. Would you also consider those that seceded from the Union in 1861 to preserve slavery also “leftist?” But I can see why people like yourself hate “leftist uprising” in the 1960s that gave us the Civil Rights Act, as well as those darned liberal suffragettes who earned the right to vote for women. Should have never happened, right? No, it was all about government over-reaches, and it’s happening again. If you’re too infatuated with the guy in charge to recognize what’s happening, it’s a shame. When the NRA and lifelong Conservatives find themselves thinking alike in regards to the feds… change is coming.

I hear what you’re saying. I can also see why some people would feel like the lady driver tried to hit the MAGA Agent standing beside her vehicle, and therefore deserved to die. But I have yet to see anything done by this man that appears illegal, yet he was instantly labeled a domestic terrorist, seditionist, insurgent…. Not by fanboys on sports boards, but by the head of DHS, the head of CBP, and numerous legislators. If you believe that you and i should wait for the results of an investigation before casting judgment, how can you support leadership who didn’t wait before defaming them victim and announcing that there will be no investigation? It’s like that movie “The Dictator,” except it’s real life and not funny in the least.

Here’s another angle. The narrator is unbiased, so if that bothers you, I’d suggest muting the sound. But you really should watch, then compare what your eyes have seen from multiple angles to what our leaders keep telling us.

No, sir… that was the shooter using his own cell phone… watch the clips. When the lady tried flee (illegally, I agree) from the MAGA agent at her door, she went towards the MAGA agent who has circled from the passenger side of her vehicle who was empty handed other than his phone. The video is lost when he pulled his weapon, then fired thee shots into the cabin of the vehicle as she drove away. One near the a-pillar, and two through the open driver’s side window.

Dude! The whole purpose of carrying a weapon is to be “prepared for confrontations.” Now you guys are using “carrying a weapon”’as justification to be killed by MAGA agents? The guy never did anything except try to shield a female from abuse (excessive force) from a MAGA thug… and because he also had a gun in his waistband, he was murdered. I guess the 2A only applies to those who agree with MAGA now, huh? This guy was an ICU nurse at the VA hospital. There are clips of him honoring dead veterans in his place of employment. He was good one, and he didn’t deserve what happened to him, and he dang sure doesn’t deserve to be vilified as a “domestic terrorist” by so-called Republicans to cover their own inept heinies.

It wouldn’t make a lot of sense to carry empty ones, if that’s what you’re arguing for.