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[quote name="GoDogs27" post="1286747" timestamp="1348964882"] I didn't start this thread to have to explain the non-rivalry with Vidor again. Honestly, how many years has Vidor been significant? I'm not saying that to knock them, but come on. Yes, the past couple of years the Vidor game has been big for Nederland because they stood in the way of our District Crown. But, we've had a string of years where it was that way with Ozen and Central too. With MCM it's a year round deal not just in hs sports. It trickles down to youth sports, office wars, you name it. It stands the test of time and is extremely relevant even if neither team is. My point being, the Vidor game will continue to be a big game for Nederland as long as they stay relevant. But if they revert back to being the doormat of the district, then it won't matter much to Ned. I have a feeling the same cant be said for Vidor... [/quote] I agree with a lot of what you posted, but I don't think the doormat days are returning to Vidor anytime soon.  Let's not forget that that doormat was a semi-permanent fixture in Nederland before Neumann arrived. 

[quote name="bulldog1984" post="1286148" timestamp="1348930102"] i seen a few PNG fans at the game in vidor last night so yes they were missing from PNG . :-[ [/quote] Sounds like Honor - Pride - Tradition doesn't apply to down seasons.

I thought justification #1 was "beating" Nederland in a scrimmage?

Deweyville hung 51 on y'all last night.  That ain't the system.

[quote name="Mr. Buddy Garrity" post="1285892" timestamp="1348894227"] [quote author=robanadana link=topic=103816.msg1285887#msg1285887 date=1348894113] I think Jeff will keep the Pirates competitive in the future...[b]he knows how to develop football players[/b]. Our program has turned the corner and I do see us in the same status as Nederland. The only reason there is a "rivalry" is because we have so much respect for your program and want to emulate it. Now, Nederland needs to heal up and clean Livingston's clock. [/quote] this in bold ^^^^ [/quote] Vidor's freshman group is pretty salty as well.  They should be pretty good for the foreseeable future.

[quote name="mytwocents" post="1285856" timestamp="1348893557"] [quote author=Mr. Happy link=topic=103816.msg1285851#msg1285851 date=1348893492] Montana Quirante is an absolute stud.  I still can't believe a kid can play QB / LB at the 4A level like he does.  Vidor will make a lot of noise in the playoffs.  [b]It looks like Vidor is here to stay and this might turn into a rivalry yet.[/b] [/quote] Uho  :o You just said the sentence that is never to be said.  ;) [/quote] It will obviously never be like PNG for Nederland, but given the last few games in this series this definitely has a chance to develop into a game both schools circle on the schedule year in and year out.

Montana Quirante is an absolute stud.  I still can't believe a kid can play QB / LB at the 4A level like he does.  Vidor will make a lot of noise in the playoffs.  It looks like Vidor is here to stay and this might turn into a rivalry yet.

Ned.  27 Vidor. 13

Warren has been a great story so far, but Newton should beat them pretty convincingly.

[quote name="1motime" post="1273562" timestamp="1347804236"] Should be a good game can't wait  :) Santa Fa 0-3 Bridge City 1-2 Clear Brook 0-3 Crosby 2-1 GCM  2-1 Angleton 3-0  [move]Who let the Dogs out [/move] [/quote] Interesting

[quote name="Mr. Buddy Garrity" post="1273468" timestamp="1347772742"] Ive never seen Hawaii run the ball like this  :o [/quote] Because you have never seen them play Lamar before.  I'm sure our defense had something to do with the strength of their running game.

[quote name="Mr. Happy" post="1272751" timestamp="1347739695"] [quote author=JohnSmith link=topic=103187.msg1272740#msg1272740 date=1347739257] [quote author=Mr. Happy link=topic=103187.msg1272684#msg1272684 date=1347735366] [quote author=dustoff03 link=topic=103187.msg1272578#msg1272578 date=1347730431] [quote author=bulldog1984 link=topic=103187.msg1272572#msg1272572 date=1347730151] Im sure your defence is good but really who have you played yet besides last night ? good job last night by the way :) we will see in 2 weeks pirate lol [/quote] does who we played take away from how our defense performs?(and thanx, same to you) [/quote] You're smart enough to know the answer to that question - of course it does.  I'm not saying Vidor's defense isn't any good, but I don't think you can compare the teams that Nederland has played versus who Vidor has played.  You should have shutout Santa Fe, but so would have about half of 20-4A. The Clear Brook game was a good win for y'all, but CB is not Angleton in terms of offense and explosiveness.  And while[b] Crosby and GCM weren't great teams they did have some speed and offensive playmakers.  [/b] Top to bottom, Vidor hasn't seen that yet.  I think objectively Nederland has the better defense and that should be the difference in the game.  Vidor's style of play on offense will throw in some wrinkles, but Nederland's D has already shown the ability to stop or contain the run on teams with bigger lines and with more speed in the backfield than Vidor has.  I think Nederland wins by 10, but if Ned turns over the ball like last night I wouldn't be surprised to see Vidor win. [/quote]Last week ya'll were saying those two teams was no challenge for you, now you try to build them up to make you look good. ha.. ;) [/quote] What part of the 'not great teams' line did you not understand?  My point is not that they were stud teams, but that they are better than what Vidor has played top to bottom.  Dayton should handle both of them fairly easily. I guess you are one of the Dayton posters holding on to the win the scrimmage argument from a few weeks ago. [/quote]

[quote name="dustoff03" post="1272750" timestamp="1347739653"] you know, too bad Ned and Vidor will likely go seperate divisions for the playoffs. I so much wanted to see them play eachother again last year for the region. [/quote] I think we can hug on this one and agree.  Should be a great game and I would love to see a Vidor / Nederland match up for the regional championship. 

[quote name="JohnSmith" post="1272740" timestamp="1347739257"] [quote author=Mr. Happy link=topic=103187.msg1272684#msg1272684 date=1347735366] [quote author=dustoff03 link=topic=103187.msg1272578#msg1272578 date=1347730431] [quote author=bulldog1984 link=topic=103187.msg1272572#msg1272572 date=1347730151] Im sure your defence is good but really who have you played yet besides last night ? good job last night by the way :) we will see in 2 weeks pirate lol [/quote] does who we played take away from how our defense performs?(and thanx, same to you) [/quote] You're smart enough to know the answer to that question - of course it does.  I'm not saying Vidor's defense isn't any good, but I don't think you can compare the teams that Nederland has played versus who Vidor has played.  You should have shutout Santa Fe, but so would have about half of 20-4A. The Clear Brook game was a good win for y'all, but CB is not Angleton in terms of offense and explosiveness.  And while[b] Crosby and GCM weren't great teams they did have some speed and offensive playmakers.  [/b] Top to bottom, Vidor hasn't seen that yet.  I think objectively Nederland has the better defense and that should be the difference in the game.  Vidor's style of play on offense will throw in some wrinkles, but Nederland's D has already shown the ability to stop or contain the run on teams with bigger lines and with more speed in the backfield than Vidor has.  I think Nederland wins by 10, but if Ned turns over the ball like last night I wouldn't be surprised to see Vidor win. [/quote]Last week ya'll were saying those two teams was no challenge for you, now you try to build them up to make you look good. ha.. ;) [/quote] What part of the 'not great teams' part did you not understand?  My point is not that they were stud teams, but that they are better than what Vidor has played top to bottom.  Dayton should handle both of them fairly easily. I guess you are one of the Dayton posters holding on to the win the scrimmage argument from a few weeks ago. 

[quote name="Mr. Happy" post="1272734" timestamp="1347739043"] [quote author=NDOMAKONG link=topic=103187.msg1272731#msg1272731 date=1347738767] Vidor fans need to realize that there will be a lot of fans from other schools will be chiming in on this thread.  Nederland respects you and knows they are in for a tussle, don't let these other schools get in the way of this game.  Mr. Happy is a PNG fan adn doesn't really have much else to talk about at this point. [/quote] Nice try ND, but I went to Nederland, still live there and have kids in school now.  No PNG fan here. [/quote] But, I think this will be a heck of a game.  The winner will have the inside track in the district, but both of these teams should be playing deep into November and possibly beyond.  With that said, I think Nederland is the better team and should win. 

[quote name="NDOMAKONG" post="1272731" timestamp="1347738767"] Vidor fans need to realize that there will be a lot of fans from other schools will be chiming in on this thread.  Nederland respects you and knows they are in for a tussle, don't let these other schools get in the way of this game.  Mr. Happy is a PNG fan adn doesn't really have much else to talk about at this point. [/quote] Nice try ND, but I went to Nederland, still live there and have kids in school now.  No PNG fan here.

[quote name="dustoff03" post="1272700" timestamp="1347736716"] [quote author=Mr. Happy link=topic=103187.msg1272684#msg1272684 date=1347735366] [quote author=dustoff03 link=topic=103187.msg1272578#msg1272578 date=1347730431] [quote author=bulldog1984 link=topic=103187.msg1272572#msg1272572 date=1347730151] Im sure your defence is good but really who have you played yet besides last night ? good job last night by the way :) we will see in 2 weeks pirate lol [/quote] does who we played take away from how our defense performs?(and thanx, same to you) [/quote] [b]You're smart enough to know the answer to that question - of course it does.[/b]  I'm not saying Vidor's defense isn't any good, but I don't think you can compare the teams that Nederland has played versus who Vidor has played.  You should have shutout Santa Fe, but so would have about half of 20-4A. The Clear Brook game was a good win for y'all, but CB is not Angleton in terms of offense and explosiveness.  And while Crosby and GCM weren't great teams they did have some speed and offensive playmakers.  Top to bottom, Vidor hasn't seen that yet.  I think objectively Nederland has the better defense and that should be the difference in the game.  Vidor's style of play on offense will throw in some wrinkles, but Nederland's D has already shown the ability to stop or contain the run on teams with bigger lines and with more speed in the backfield than Vidor has.  I think Nederland wins by 10, but if Ned turns over the ball like last night I wouldn't be surprised to see Vidor win. [/quote] so your saying our boys only executed their play assignments because they were playing a sub-par team. notice i said how they performed. they did their jobs accordingly, it didn't matter who they were playing. i also find it interesting how when we started asking about Clear Brook, no one really new anything other than they went to OT with LaPort and played a very close game the following week. Alot said we were finally playing someone and would maybe lose. Now that we won, all of a sudden Clear Brook is a nobody and Vidor doesn't stand a chance against Nederland. [/quote] Ahh, it's the return or resurfacing of the longstanding Vidor inferiority complex.  Come on, you moved up in weight class last year, it's time to get the chip off your shoulder.  I clearly said CB was a good win, but Santa Fe and BC weren't necessarily juggernauts.  Nederland has played better teams so far.  That may or may not make a difference in two weeks.  Vidor has executed so far and hats off to them, but you have not played murderer's row.  I think almost everyone on here has said Vidor could win this game so buck up and quit feeling sorry for yourself

[quote name="dustoff03" post="1272578" timestamp="1347730431"] [quote author=bulldog1984 link=topic=103187.msg1272572#msg1272572 date=1347730151] Im sure your defence is good but really who have you played yet besides last night ? good job last night by the way :) we will see in 2 weeks pirate lol [/quote] does who we played take away from how our defense performs?(and thanx, same to you) [/quote] You're smart enough to know the answer to that question - of course it does.  I'm not saying Vidor's defense isn't any good, but I don't think you can compare the teams that Nederland has played versus who Vidor has played.  You should have shutout Santa Fe, but so would have about half of 20-4A. The Clear Brook game was a good win for y'all, but CB is not Angleton in terms of offense and explosiveness.  And while Crosby and GCM weren't great teams they did have some speed and offensive playmakers.  Top to bottom, Vidor hasn't seen that yet.  I think objectively Nederland has the better defense and that should be the difference in the game.  Vidor's style of play on offense will throw in some wrinkles, but Nederland's D has already shown the ability to stop or contain the run on teams with bigger lines and with more speed in the backfield than Vidor has.  I think Nederland wins by 10, but if Ned turns over the ball like last night I wouldn't be surprised to see Vidor win.

I'll give you 10.  Jody Leigh's is good -especially when it is free!

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1268731" timestamp="1347490436"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=102918.msg1268554#msg1268554 date=1347476772] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=102918.msg1268506#msg1268506 date=1347472723] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=102918.msg1268463#msg1268463 date=1347469460] [quote author=The GOAT link=topic=102918.msg1268452#msg1268452 date=1347469013] Next up the Houston Area.  You can probably bet your right arm on that.  They are probably just as bad as the Dallas Area.  Anyone remembers Gulf Shores High School ?  Prime example. [/quote] Dove is pretty confident that all of those Houston schools run a clean and integrity-laden program. [/quote]I'm just saying its too late. Dallas area was still out of control. Houston schools are going by the rules. Kid tried to transfer and play last year at Yates. [color=red]They did not let him play varsity,[/color] so he went back to his original school. [/quote]So, he DID transfer Yates for Basketball purposes, right? I thought these kids were transferring to Yates bc it is a Magnet School for academics? ??? [/quote] And Yates abided by the transfer rules!!!!! [/quote] Probably because there were at least 5 players better than him.

[quote name="robanadana" post="1272065" timestamp="1347686544"] [quote author=Mr. Happy link=topic=103184.msg1272050#msg1272050 date=1347686034] I'll go ahead and bite and be the first to put it on this thread: Vidor played a soft pre-district schedule.  With that said, you beat who you played and Vidor will make the playoffs.  But, Nederland will win in two weeks and probably by at least 10 points. [/quote] You know, I try to do the math and see who Nederville added that makes them so much better than us from last year...y'all beat us on a fourth and 18 in your stadium. This year, it's in Vidor where the last time you played there, you lost. Hmmm. I really would like that 10 points in a wager...any takers??? I'm easy to find. [/quote] I think Nederland is better offensively than they were last year and the strength of Nederland's defense (the D-line) has the potential to disrupt what Vidor does well offensively (run the ball).  Plus, I'll give the coaching edge to Nederland. I'd be willing to bet a Jody Leigh's buffet on it.

Rankings don't mean much, but I think Nederland proved they belong in the discussion with teams that could have very deep runs in the playoffs.  An 8 point loss on the road to the #3 team is probably a pretty good barometer of what they are capable of, barring injuries and turnovers.

I hate to say it, but I think it is going to be a long 7 weeks during district for the Injuns.  (Except for LCM and Lumberton).  I think they can sneak in a win or two somewhere else, but I think the playoffs probably aren't happening for PNG this year.

I'll go ahead and bite and be the first to put it on this thread: Vidor played a soft pre-district schedule.  With that said, you beat who you played and Vidor will make the playoffs.  But, Nederland will win in two weeks and probably by at least 10 points.

This must sadden you greatly given the way you stroke Yates on this site constantly.