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[quote name="Gladtobehere" post="1174616" timestamp="1328739699"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=95544.msg1174595#msg1174595 date=1328737283] [quote author=BADSANTA link=topic=95544.msg1174583#msg1174583 date=1328735875] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=95544.msg1174511#msg1174511 date=1328729518] [quote author=BADSANTA link=topic=95544.msg1174505#msg1174505 date=1328728646] What staff is trying to not play? Second place really wouldn't be that bad considering how good the entire region is anyway. [/quote] We wont know officially for a week or two, but I will give you two guesses. [/quote] I heard it was someone from your side of the mountain. Since there are only 2 district games left, I should be able to find out by next Wednesday I hope. I'd flip the coin! [/quote] So if you were the coach and were faced with either playing or conceding, what would you do? [/quote] Concede, there is nothing to gain and you are still district co-champs regardless.....JMO...you don't risk an injury just for seeding in this case? [/quote] You run the same injury risk in a warm up game.

[quote name="Pumper" post="1174608" timestamp="1328738561"] My two cents:  Coaches should teach players not to talk back to the refs, or to the opposing fans.  Nothing good comes from it.  Coach or team captain should be the only ones addressing the refs. A little back and forth between the players is almost unpreventable.  Though if I see my sons doing it, they will hear from me.  Never be the one to start something, but don't allow yourself to be intimidated either.  Sometimes you have to protect yourself and your team-mates, and you can do that without being dirty.  Physical is another story.  Taunting another player should result in a technical if the ref sees it.  At the HS level, the teams should shake hands after the game.  Though I am not personally a big fan of the players fist bumping the refs and/or opposing coach before the game as has become normal during the pregame introductions.  It's fine, but I find it unnecessary. Play as hard as you can between the lines, but act in a way that would make your momma proud. [/quote] Kudos to you pumper.  I like your perspective.

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="1174603" timestamp="1328738022"] Inflammatory?  I just said I was curious. To paraphrase Hamlet: Me thinks the gentleman doth protest a bit too loudly. [/quote] Why were you not concerned about the National Anthem question being a result of a specific incident?  Could that not also have been prompted by a specific incident?  I don't have any Hamlet eloquence to offer but I do remember an old saying that said " Why make a mountain out of a molehill".  It's apparent that you know of an incident which you "believe" is what is behind the question.  If that is the case, is the question he posed any less "innocent" than yours requesting more specifics?  If he, as you believe "knows something he isnt revealing" and you, as I believe" think you know of a specific incident", would it not be better to avoid the acrimony?

It just seems a little odd that someone who oversees the board in an effort to maintain peace would, ostensibly, solicit a comment that likely would be inflammatory.

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1174552" timestamp="1328733229"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=95625.msg1174545#msg1174545 date=1328732987] My point wasnt comparing these two games but rather the Ozen of today vs the Ozen of yesteryear, the time when Dickie V keeps referring to.  Sort of like the Texas Longhorns.  They simply arent what they used to be and its not the fault of the coach.(Ozen and TExas have the same expectations but arent achieving them) [/quote] OK, so you are saying that Hardin Jefferson just keeps growing talent in Sour Lake? They have not fallen off of the map, so why does that have to be the case for Ozen? "Yesteryear" was not THAT long ago... ::)...I am telling you, there is a REASON for the downfall. [/quote] And you and I simply differ on that.  You believe that most of it is attributable to coaching.  If you believe that, then you are simply telling me that HJ would have won the district football title this year if they had Art Briles as their coach.  I strongly disagree.  If Todd Sutherland resigns tomorrow, the program will continue to be successful.  But if they have a year or two where there isn't as much talent, one would look a little foollish to say if Todd was there the results would be so much better.  You just happen to be more enamored with a single individual and give him more credit than I would be inclined to do.

[quote name="BADSANTA" post="1174583" timestamp="1328735875"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=95544.msg1174511#msg1174511 date=1328729518] [quote author=BADSANTA link=topic=95544.msg1174505#msg1174505 date=1328728646] What staff is trying to not play? Second place really wouldn't be that bad considering how good the entire region is anyway. [/quote] We wont know officially for a week or two, but I will give you two guesses. [/quote] I heard it was someone from your side of the mountain. Since there are only 2 district games left, I should be able to find out by next Wednesday I hope. I'd flip the coin! [/quote] So if you were the coach and were faced with either playing or conceding, what would you do?

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="1174579" timestamp="1328735666"] [quote author=WOSgrad link=topic=95691.msg1174576#msg1174576 date=1328735381] As most questions about general propositions like this here are prompted by specific events, I am curious as to what recent specific event prompted this question about a general proposition. [/quote] Maybe, maybe not!!! [/quote] I see nothing wrong with the question regardless of what prompted the author to pose it.  The problem would occur if said author pointed a finger at a specific situation.  That would cause problems here.  Whether a specific situation prompted his question or if he really just wanted to know others opinion, I believe he handled it properly by NOT mentioning any incident that might have been involved. From my point of view, this question is no different than the one asking for opinions on covering your heart when playing the national anthem.

Dove, I think Nederland believes all energies should be directed at playing better instead of talking about it.

Do the little Doves engage in much trash talking?

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1174555" timestamp="1328733720"] I don't have a problem with trash talk from the opposing team. ;D [/quote] Am not a fan of trash talking but it seems to have become accepted conduct these days.  Am always tickled/pleased when some guy comes out and thinks he is Mr. Intimidator/Mr. Defiant and then he is sucked in by an up fake and his intended victim steps under him.

My point wasnt comparing these two games but rather the Ozen of today vs the Ozen of yesteryear, the time when Dickie V keeps referring to.  Sort of like the Texas Longhorns.  They simply arent what they used to be and its not the fault of the coach.(Ozen and TExas have the same expectations but arent achieving them)

Is there a possibility that Ozen simply isnt as good as they have been in the past?  It happens to everyone at one time or another.

[quote name="bullets13" post="1174519" timestamp="1328730087"] Ehh... Nederland just had a big wakeup call, but so did Ozen.  I'll give Nederland the edge, simply on their coaching advantage. [/quote] Dickie V isnt going to like your choice. 

[quote name="BADSANTA" post="1174505" timestamp="1328728646"] What staff is trying to not play? Second place really wouldn't be that bad considering how good the entire region is anyway. [/quote] We wont know officially for a week or two, but I will give you two guesses.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1174481" timestamp="1328726544"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=77127.msg1174422#msg1174422 date=1328723035] The importance of this rather ancient thread is the fact that Detective PoppaBear found it and it shows that DaDove did predict a 2012 state championship only to move it back one year for the Longhorns.  Dove you are BUSTED. [/quote]No Stevie, it says 2013. After we had several transfers in 2010 I changed the date to 2013 :P [/quote] That is all well and good Dove, but you have repeatedly denied that you ever predicted a State Championship and tried to convince the rest of us that you simply predicted they would be in the mix for the playoffs.  The very words above, "I changed the date to 2013" refers to the state title.  PoppaBear and I want you to come to Sour Lake and take a lie detector test.

I place it high on the importance list.

Where does Cleveland stand in the district.  Seems like early in the year they werent doing very well but the last few scores I have seen seem to be all victories.  Am I remembering correctly?

The importance of this rather ancient thread is the fact that Detective PoppaBear found it and it shows that DaDove did predict a 2012 state championship only to move it back one year for the Longhorns.  Dove you are BUSTED.

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1174337" timestamp="1328716698"] [quote author=uandme08 link=topic=95625.msg1174330#msg1174330 date=1328716362] [quote author=rc2182 link=topic=95625.msg1174306#msg1174306 date=1328715292] I would think everyone would do a little research b4 we get to discussing coaches credentials,not sure about one coach but the one at Ozen happen to play high school basketball ,but even at that ,there are a lot of things you have to take into consideration does he have parent,community, BISD(PRINCIPAL,AD, SUPERINT, PLAYERS ETC....) and last but not least how many shots did he miss (the coach),reb. did he get ,Players Play Coaches Coach. [/quote] Yes there are alot of things to take into consideration but there are some things you have no control over. Honestly I don't know why the parents are not there, I have always felt that for every child participating there should be at least 1 person from the family showing support. The community is full of bandwagon fans, nobody really showed up for the football games but when they got a decent win 10 more people showed up. It's sad to look in the gym at a home game and see maybe 50 people. I understand the coach doesn't miss the shots or gets out rebounded or turns the ball over but he makes the decision as to who will be on the court. When you see a kid make a mistake, you don't bench him and not tell him what he did wrong or show him an alternative. When you have back to back turnovers, you don't call a timeout and not say nothing in the huddle. When you go down by 7 and you see some of your team getting discouraged, you don't just sit down and not say a word. There was nothing coming from Ozen's sideline last night. If it wasn't for 4 of the 12 fans that showed up, nothing would have been heard. No motivation at all and the lead was maybe 7 (if that) at the beginning of the 4th quarter. I'm no coach and never want that responsibility but I've been around long enough to know a thing or 2 IMO. Something is lacking with Ozen's basketball program and I won't put all of the blame on the coaching staff. I'm frustrated and don't want another headache from last night.... [/quote] I know EXACTLY what it is. And I hate to say that I SAW it coming back in December of 2008. It has happened...NEDERLAND IS WINNING DISTRICT THESE DAYS! No one sees anything wrong with that? As good as Coach English is as a coach, they still SHOULD NOT DOMINATE THAT DISTRICT the way that they have...PERIOD. Just think about this...If Central starting dominanting in BASEBALL, wouldn't some schools in that district find that odd? [/quote] Dickie-  People were saying the same thing early in the career of Tiger Woods

;D  That correct tongue in cheek response will go right over the heads of those for whom it was intended.

[quote name="BADSANTA" post="1174333" timestamp="1328716398"] So it looks like Silsbee and HJ will be co champs. Will they coin flip or playoff? HF WILL be a playoff team this year. Sounds like they are a program on the rise in SETX. Move those Hunters kids back and they will win 21-3A lol [/quote] My guess is that the two coaches will have opposing opinions on how to handle the tie.  If that is the case there will be a coin flip to determine whether there is another coin flip or a playoff.

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1174277" timestamp="1328714311"] Allow Crosby to dunk the ball so it can ignite a big 38-0 run. [/quote] If you say that one more time, you are going to have a new name!!

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1174101" timestamp="1328676581"] [quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=95666.msg1174093#msg date=1328675888] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=95666.msg1174090#msg date=1328675750] Yes, if he didn't have any sweet midranged jumpers, then he can't be a clear cut best yet.  Lol [/quote] Oh but he did......all from the baseline as well!!! ;) ;) [/quote]ok...  If that's the case, then he continues to register high on the dunkometer, he truly is the best then. [/quote] Special note to Soulja-  Last night, Prudhomme stole the ball at half court and there was no defender between him and the basket.  As he made his way toward the goal, I stood up and screamed to NOT dunk it and to pull up for the SMRJ but I guess he didnt hear me.  He went ahead and made a thunderous dunk.  Things turned out ok, though as that dunk failed to ignite a 33-8 WOS run.

If you have a bad game and still win, this is a good time for it to happen rather than in the playoffs

[quote name="PoppaBearstarr" post="1174019" timestamp="1328672321"] Lol... I think he had 3... The dunks were massive..shattered the dunk-o-meter again.... That thing stay in need of repair more than its in service... 8) [/quote] And if there was any doubt who the best player in this area is, there is no more.