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[quote name="freeze 1914" post="1360553" timestamp="1357107829"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=107769.msg1360552#msg1360552 date=1357107050] hj also won its own tourney beating Longview by 17 in the final.  Check the Central score against Longview.  Hj should lose to Central and to Yates because the student bodies are twice as large.  Same goes for Central if they play a Duncanville or Ft Bend Travis because they have more students.  Hj has no problem competing with just about any school of similar size and that seems to trouble you greatly.  All of the talk/schedule crticism in the world will NOT alter that FACT.  The 2007 state champs and the 2009 state semi finalists from HJ both lost their early season games against Central.  HJ has a good basketball program for its size and classification and there is nothing you can do about that.  Centrals games against Lumberton WOS and lowly HJ , according to your theory, are not preparing Central for the playoffs [/quote] Twice as many students don't mean nothing. They still will only have 15 players on the roster. Level of talent is the factor. They bear Longview by 17 but lost to central by almost 30. Playing Ozen varsity, Washington Marion, memorial, will get them ready. Not EC or a jv [/quote]    if twice as many students "dont mean nothing" then why isnt the game played with a single classification?  it means a lot and you know it means a lot  mental giantry is not required to figure out that choosing your roster from 1000 students will generally produce better players than making the same choice from 500 students.  While playing the Ozen JV may not get HJ ready for the playoffs, playing Lumberton will not get Central  ready for the playoffs

hj also won its own tourney beating Longview by 17 in the final.  Check the Central score against Longview.  Hj should lose to Central and to Yates because the student bodies are twice as large.  Same goes for Central if they play a Duncanville or Ft Bend Travis because they have more students.  Hj has no problem competing with just about any school of similar size and that seems to trouble you greatly.  All of the talk/schedule crticism in the world will NOT alter that FACT.  The 2007 state champs and the 2009 state semi finalists from HJ both lost their early season games against Central.  HJ has a good basketball program for its size and classification and there is nothing you can do about that.  Centrals games against Lumberton WOS and lowly HJ , according to your theory, are not preparing Central for the playoffs

[quote name="freeze 1914" post="1360547" timestamp="1357105065"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=107769.msg1360545#msg1360545 date=1357104884] Very surprised at you.  You keep brining up the game against Central.  It is readily apparent that you dont understand that, in the playoffs, HJ only plays afainst schhols with similar enrollments.  Think about that for a minute,  That means they wont play a team like Central  While we are on this schedule issue, why isnt Central playing schools like DeSoto to be ready for the playoffs instead of lowly HJ? [/quote]   Yates?  According to you, HJ may not make the playoffs with weak schedule and Prudhomme gone and if they do, they will certainly lose before  getting to Yates.  Answer my question about Centrals schedule please.  Why arent they playing in a 5-a tourney in Houston or Dallas to get ready for playoffs? [/quote]

Very surprised at you.  You keep brining up the game against Central.  It is readily apparent that you dont understand that, in the playoffs, HJ only plays afainst schhols with similar enrollments.  Think about that for a minute,  That means they wont play a team like Central  While we are on this schedule issue, why isnt Central playing schools like DeSoto to be ready for the playoffs instead of lowly HJ?

hey mr intellect- the point was that these players have plenty of playoff experience including losing a close one to the number 1 team in state at the regionals

[quote name="freeze 1914" post="1360531" timestamp="1357103612"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=107769.msg1360526#msg1360526 date=1357103155] [quote author=freeze 1914 link=topic=107769.msg1360521#msg1360521 date=1357102596] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=107769.msg1360518#msg1360518 date=1357102296] [quote author=freeze 1914 link=topic=107769.msg1360515#msg1360515 date=1357101958] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=107769.msg1360506#msg1360506 date=1357101407] [quote author=freeze 1914 link=topic=107769.msg1360503#msg1360503 date=1357100879] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=107769.msg1360499#msg1360499 date=1357100555] Doesnt matter one bit if there were any coaches there.  If there is a good player at a small school, the recruiting system is sophisticated enough to know about them.  Prudhomme got lots of looks and so did Donahoe based on virtually the same schedule.  One d-1 coach came to a playoff game last year to look at Prudhomme and came away interested in Bosha.  Stop trying to suggest that a kid from a small school is going to get a scholarship simply by playing in a specific tourney.  Once again, you dont look too smart trying to suggest that you know more than the HJ coaching staff about how they should structure its schedule.  In fact, it really looks very silly. [/quote] I look silly. Hahaha,and you sound like a genius. Nobody said I know more than HJ coaching staff. I know that tournament was weak and HJ didn't belong. And you keep believing level of competition matter to college coaches. All these great HJ records but only a few players go to d1 colleges. According to you numbers don't lie, well that's some numbed for you Nash [/quote]      and if hj had played a schedule that pleases you, they would have no more or no less kids playing in college than they do now.  funny u never told me why DUGAT started at BAYLOR despite being from Dayton where the schedule was never very difficult [/quote] Dayton was a 4a school at the time. And hancock followed in his brother footsteps and the best one had to go to juco firsf. Ashton was a 6'4 wing man. One of a kind in kountze. That's 4 players from kountze out of all these great records kountze has had since the David green era. [/quote]      they played d-1 because they were good enough and not because of their schedule- the recruiting system was aware of them and they were not recruited because of playing in a specific tourney [/quote] 4 out of a hundred great players with grades and you think that proves a point. You need help. So all the other players that played at the great HJ wasn't good enough but had 25-3 records and went deep in the playoffs wasn't good enough. Well you keep defending great records against against weak competition. Call me when they bring a state ring home [/quote]    Competition is always tough in the playoffs.  no easy teams at that point-  as i said (and you refuse to acknowledge) playoff record since 2007 is 23-5 and it includes two appearances in Austin and a state championship..  You very simply cant "talk that away' no matter how hard you try.  As for your "call me" comment, why dont you "call me" when a local team does better [/quote] Let's see if that happens this year. Won't be no jv teams in the playoffs. No EC, or anahuac. What you not understanding is you don't have those kind of players you had in previous years. These players not on those past team levels. They need better competition to be able to handle a playoff atmosphere [/quote]    all of the players on this team were on the team that lost a very close game last year against #1 Waco LaVega-  dont lecture on experience when you havent the slightest idea what their playoff experience is

[quote name="freeze 1914" post="1360527" timestamp="1357103265"] [quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=107769.msg1360524#msg1360524 date=1357103009] State Title in 2007 and State Semis in 2009 with the so called "patsy" schedule. [/quote] I never said patsy. Somebody else said that. I'm talking about now. Those teams were really good. This is a decent team for HJ, which should be playing better competition to get them ready to make that run.. [/quote]    For the umpteenth time, the people making the scheduling decisions know C O N S I D E R A B L Y  M O R E  about what will help their team than you do.  Can u not grasp that F A C T?  This is about like me suggesting that if Kobe and LeBron would just listen to me, they would be better players.

[quote name="freeze 1914" post="1360521" timestamp="1357102596"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=107769.msg1360518#msg1360518 date=1357102296] [quote author=freeze 1914 link=topic=107769.msg1360515#msg1360515 date=1357101958] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=107769.msg1360506#msg1360506 date=1357101407] [quote author=freeze 1914 link=topic=107769.msg1360503#msg1360503 date=1357100879] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=107769.msg1360499#msg1360499 date=1357100555] Doesnt matter one bit if there were any coaches there.  If there is a good player at a small school, the recruiting system is sophisticated enough to know about them.  Prudhomme got lots of looks and so did Donahoe based on virtually the same schedule.  One d-1 coach came to a playoff game last year to look at Prudhomme and came away interested in Bosha.  Stop trying to suggest that a kid from a small school is going to get a scholarship simply by playing in a specific tourney.  Once again, you dont look too smart trying to suggest that you know more than the HJ coaching staff about how they should structure its schedule.  In fact, it really looks very silly. [/quote] I look silly. Hahaha,and you sound like a genius. Nobody said I know more than HJ coaching staff. I know that tournament was weak and HJ didn't belong. And you keep believing level of competition matter to college coaches. All these great HJ records but only a few players go to d1 colleges. According to you numbers don't lie, well that's some numbed for you Nash [/quote]      and if hj had played a schedule that pleases you, they would have no more or no less kids playing in college than they do now.  funny u never told me why DUGAT started at BAYLOR despite being from Dayton where the schedule was never very difficult [/quote] Dayton was a 4a school at the time. And hancock followed in his brother footsteps and the best one had to go to juco firsf. Ashton was a 6'4 wing man. One of a kind in kountze. That's 4 players from kountze out of all these great records kountze has had since the David green era. [/quote]      they played d-1 because they were good enough and not because of their schedule- the recruiting system was aware of them and they were not recruited because of playing in a specific tourney [/quote] 4 out of a hundred great players with grades and you think that proves a point. You need help. So all the other players that played at the great HJ wasn't good enough but had 25-3 records and went deep in the playoffs wasn't good enough. Well you keep defending great records against against weak competition. Call me when they bring a state ring home [/quote]    Competition is always tough in the playoffs.  no easy teams at that point-  as i said (and you refuse to acknowledge) playoff record since 2007 is 23-5 and it includes two appearances in Austin and a state championship..  You very simply cant "talk that away' no matter how hard you try.  As for your "call me" comment, why dont you "call me" when a local team does better

[quote name="freeze 1914" post="1360515" timestamp="1357101958"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=107769.msg1360506#msg1360506 date=1357101407] [quote author=freeze 1914 link=topic=107769.msg1360503#msg1360503 date=1357100879] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=107769.msg1360499#msg1360499 date=1357100555] Doesnt matter one bit if there were any coaches there.  If there is a good player at a small school, the recruiting system is sophisticated enough to know about them.  Prudhomme got lots of looks and so did Donahoe based on virtually the same schedule.  One d-1 coach came to a playoff game last year to look at Prudhomme and came away interested in Bosha.  Stop trying to suggest that a kid from a small school is going to get a scholarship simply by playing in a specific tourney.  Once again, you dont look too smart trying to suggest that you know more than the HJ coaching staff about how they should structure its schedule.  In fact, it really looks very silly. [/quote] I look silly. Hahaha,and you sound like a genius. Nobody said I know more than HJ coaching staff. I know that tournament was weak and HJ didn't belong. And you keep believing level of competition matter to college coaches. All these great HJ records but only a few players go to d1 colleges. According to you numbers don't lie, well that's some numbed for you Nash [/quote]      and if hj had played a schedule that pleases you, they would have no more or no less kids playing in college than they do now.  funny u never told me why DUGAT started at BAYLOR despite being from Dayton where the schedule was never very difficult [/quote] Dayton was a 4a school at the time. And hancock followed in his brother footsteps and the best one had to go to juco firsf. Ashton was a 6'4 wing man. One of a kind in kountze. That's 4 players from kountze out of all these great records kountze has had since the David green era. [/quote]      they played d-1 because they were good enough and not because of their schedule- the recruiting system was aware of them and they were not recruited because of playing in a specific tourney

[quote name="CATMAN" post="1360508" timestamp="1357101451"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=107769.msg1360444#msg1360444 date=1357093030] How tough were the schedules of Normangees Joseph Jones before he played at A&M?  Same goes for Shaq at San Antonio Cole [/quote]I Guess his jr.year was they got beat in reg.3 the 1st round. [/quote]    Point was that if u r at small school and r good, the recruiting system will know about you and your playing schedule will have  little if any effect on whether or not u get a college scholarship

[quote name="utfan06" post="1360505" timestamp="1357101322"] What about Ashton Hall and Keithan Hancock? Both played for D1 schools ..both played for little ole Kountze :-) [/quote]    ;D ;D ;D

[quote name="freeze 1914" post="1360503" timestamp="1357100879"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=107769.msg1360499#msg1360499 date=1357100555] Doesnt matter one bit if there were any coaches there.  If there is a good player at a small school, the recruiting system is sophisticated enough to know about them.  Prudhomme got lots of looks and so did Donahoe based on virtually the same schedule.  One d-1 coach came to a playoff game last year to look at Prudhomme and came away interested in Bosha.  Stop trying to suggest that a kid from a small school is going to get a scholarship simply by playing in a specific tourney.  Once again, you dont look too smart trying to suggest that you know more than the HJ coaching staff about how they should structure its schedule.  In fact, it really looks very silly. [/quote] I look silly. Hahaha,and you sound like a genius. Nobody said I know more than HJ coaching staff. I know that tournament was weak and HJ didn't belong. And you keep believing level of competition matter to college coaches. All these great HJ records but only a few players go to d1 colleges. According to you numbers don't lie, well that's some numbed for you Nash [/quote]      and if hj had played a schedule that pleases you, they would have no more or no less kids playing in college than they do now.  funny u never told me why DUGAT started at BAYLOR despite being from Dayton where the schedule was never very difficult

Doesnt matter one bit if there were any coaches there.  If there is a good player at a small school, the recruiting system is sophisticated enough to know about them.  Prudhomme got lots of looks and so did Donahoe based on virtually the same schedule.  One d-1 coach came to a playoff game last year to look at Prudhomme and came away interested in Bosha.  Stop trying to suggest that a kid from a small school is going to get a scholarship simply by playing in a specific tourney.  Once again, you dont look too smart trying to suggest that you know more than the HJ coaching staff about how they should structure its schedule.  In fact, it really looks very silly. 

SHANNN HOLMES AND GENE ISABELL.    Who cares about that.  The whole point being made is that the coaching staff is CONSIDERABLY better qualified to make scheduling decisions than you are.  You started this by saying that the schedule hurts college prospects for HJ players and I am saying that playing Gamble instead of EC means NOTHING at all and has Zero bearing on their chance to advance their careers. 

Spears held out for a larger school/scholarship and made a mistake doing so.  jackson was offered a junior college scholarship and took it.  Going to a jc is another way of "proving" oneself.  And yes, it does matter who did better at lamar.  You are saying it doesnt because it doesnt bolster your point.  If HJ had played at the Gamble tourney, it would have no (Zero-nada) on the basketball future of the individual for whom you are concerened

Should be an interesting game.  It will certainly show who has the most "home grown" talent, right Dove?

No - you ARE mistaken- Jackson came to Lamar from Tyler JC, so he had to prove himself just like Spears did.  You still never answered my question:  Who had the more productive career at Lamar?  The player who came from a 5A school with the "tough" schedule or the player who came from a little old 3-a school that never plays anybody?

If the HJ schedule is so "harmful" to those for whom you are so concerned, why didnt you give him your worldly advice to stay where he began?  After all, HJ has been playing that same soft schedule for a very long time, including 2009 as a state semi finalist and 2007 as the state champion.

Disagree- Jackson was a product of 5-a, supposedly the hardest schedule and Spears from lowly HJ where they play only easy teams.  Who was more productive at Lamar?  Several posts ago, you said grades were the problem and now you say height was the problem- which was it?  Who would want a 6'4" center?  Probably a lot more than a 6'1" center like Rideaux.

Of course, you know all about Silsbee. (and yet you claim to know specifics about a Silsbee player who graduated in 2011) You are a seasoned, highly connected basketball coach who can out recruit anybody.  No need to try that.  If you want to use Central, so be it- I refer you back, then to the Ron Jackson/Kenyon Spears analogy.  How do you compare the schedules of a 3-a school and a 4-a school?  Let me give you a hint, that you really shoudnt need.  HJ had no idea that the ozen JV would be in the tourney.  They also had no idea that the Ozen JV would be in their same bracket.  They also had no idea that three teams would withdraw from the tourney at the last minute.  So to suggest what you have suggested, once again, makes you look less than credible.  And one more thing,- I guess Clemson forgot today what a superior schedule is played by LSU

[quote name="freeze 1914" post="1360453" timestamp="1357093601"] [quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=107769.msg1360445#msg1360445 date=1357093159] My question is with Central and Silsbee playing such tough schedules over the last 6 years is how many D1 offers have they received? [/quote] That had nothing to do with basketball but a lot with grades [/quote]      That is not the whole story.  Your old school inquired about him at the beginning of the year and never asked again as per the words of his head coach.  Even if your version is correct, that hardly makes an overwhelming case for Silsbee.  Both schools have had very similar results/performances in recent years and yet, the perception is that Silsbee plays a very difficult schedule and HJ plays a patsy schedule. If that is correct, how many more D-1 players did Silsbee produce and how many more regional or state titles did Silsbee produce?  This is not intended as a knock on Silsbee but rather to show that there is more than one way to "skin a cat"and you simply can't PROVE otherwise.

How tough were the schedules of Normangees Joseph Jones before he played at A&M?  Same goes for Shaq at San Antonio Cole

First of all, until you master the English language, you wont be out recruiting anybody.  Kenyon was in my sons wedding and i have forgotten more about Kenyon than you will know the rest of your life.  But, none of that matters.  The point is that the schedule has little if anything to do with whether a kid gets a scholarship offer.  Donahoe had his offer and it had NOTHING to do with his schedule.  The two schools who recruited Prudhomme were NOT recruiting him and then decided to drop him by virtue of the schedule he played.  FYI-  Kenyon had to walk on at  Lamar his first year and earned a scholarship.  James Gulley had a very successful career at lamar and it was NOT, under ANY circumstance based on the "difficult" schedule played by Newton.  Simlarly, RonJackson was a star at Central (where the schedule is so much "harder") and played sparingly his senior year at Lamar. 

[quote name="freeze 1914" post="1360419" timestamp="1357088320"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=107769.msg1360416#msg1360416 date=1357087610] Please list for me all of the 3-a players from this area that have gotten d-1scholarhsips in recent years. And dont insult me by suggesting it has nothing to do with a single individual.  Do you know how ABSOLUTELY foolish you look criticizing a highly accomplished coaching staff/program?  You also look pretty foolish tryng to imply that HJ somehow knew in advance they would play the Ozen JV.  Three teams pulled out of that tourney at a very late stage and that is probably why the Ozen JV was given a spot in the tourney.  As i said earlier, name another local team who is 23-5 in the playoffs the last five or six years, and then I will consider that your position has the slightest bit of credibility. [/quote] Nobody criticizing no coach. You want to make it look like that because I said they played in a sub par tournament. Any school with that much talent every year who plays 2a school would have such record. Ryan Donahoe was d1 talent, Shawn Prudhomme was d1 talent, Tron Rideaux was d1 talent. This years team has less talent than former teams. At the end of the day if you plan to compete with Yates, you have to play Yated type talent. Playing in Anuhac and East Chambers don't get you that type of competition,but you being a fan and worrying about records but never making it over the hump is fine with you right. [/quote]    Lets see: Ryan Donahoe:  had scholarship papers from SFA on the coaches desk on signing day and refused to sign them because of poor advice from an AAU coach who had convinced him something better was coming. Shawn Prudhomme:  was scheduled to visit Nicholls and Charleston Southern, and had a private workout with UNO.  Nicholls and Charleston Southern called and "dumped" him on the same day.  Their fear was that he wasn't a good enough three point shooter.  However, if you go look it up, he is currently 3rd in his conference in 3 point shooting at 42% so an obvious mistake on the DI school's parts. Tron Rideaux:  My youngest son played with him and laughed hysterically when I told him what you said.  He was not even an all-district player in high school much less DI material. If you are as educated on the recruiting process as you are attempting to lead everyone to believe then you would know that 90% of the recruiting process takes place during the summer.  So, no, the season schedule has very little to do with it.  Kenyon Spears (at UNO and HJ grad) once told me that if you can play they will find you.  I trust his word more than yours.

Please list for me all of the 3-a players from this area that have gotten d-1scholarhsips in recent years. And dont insult me by suggesting it has nothing to do with a single individual.  Do you know how ABSOLUTELY foolish you look criticizing a highly accomplished coaching staff/program?  You also look pretty foolish tryng to imply that HJ somehow knew in advance they would play the Ozen JV.  Three teams pulled out of that tourney at a very late stage and that is probably why the Ozen JV was given a spot in the tourney.  As i said earlier, name another local team who is 23-5 in the playoffs the last five or six years, and then I will consider that your position has the slightest bit of credibility.