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No Dayton or Newton? Interesting.

Actually it was neither..it was never said. The actual exchange that EC fans on this board interpret to be Barbay saying "They ain't no good" was: Reporter: "Coach Barbay, another big win by a large margin. Is this a sign of another deep playoff run?" Barbay: "Well I don't know about all that. We haven't beaten anybody good yet." Now you can interpret that however you want. You can view it as Barbay saying everyone they beat was not good. You can also (and more likely rightly) interpret that as a reference to the fact that at that point in the season Newton was 0-3 against "good" teams. Now then, since he said that "We haven't beaten anybody good yet" and Newton HAD beaten EC twice you CAN infer from that that EC is was not good....but you are going pretty far out of your way to find something to get offended over. Even if you do..the actual statement was a pretty damn far cry from "They ain't any good."

Verified 11-man title game records (source UIL Archives at [Hidden Content] ) Total Points scored (both teams): 118 Sulphur Springs/Dayton 2008 (Previous record holder was 96 - Gilmer/Jasper - 2004) Points scored (one team): 69 Sulphur Springs 2008 (Previous record holder was 61 - Terrell - 1952) Points scored (losing team): 49 Dayton 2008 (Previous record holder was 47 - Jasper - 2004)

Some would argue Sulphur Springs is an example of why the current system is better..

Update: [Hidden Content] No charges were filed. The player is being disciplined according to the Trinity Student Code of Conduct. UIL is investigating and could levy additional sanctions.

I believe the Muleshoe QB is #2 on single season TD passes with this year's total.

Heck, the best 2A team in the state might not even have played for a title. One thing I have learned over the years is the best team does not always win. Look at the bright side though...that is what gives us all something to talk about.

They couldn't have beaten Muleshoe! Their offense was unstoppable! It's all about matchups. Just because Kirbyville couldn't stop them, doesn't mean Dangerfield could not. I understand all about matchups. With that being said, if Kirbyville held onto the ball that game would've been close, and could've gone either way. The game against Muleshoe was tight midway through the 3rd qtr(21-20) all the while Kirbyville had 2 TO's that resulted in 14 pts for the Mules. I mean Kirbyville beat Newton 42-27 and Newton came all around beating Dangerfield. So, I can tell you that without a doubt Dangerfield wasn't the best team in 2A this year. One of the best, but not the best. Yes they won the DII title but I would like have sen them play Kirbyville. You can say the same thing about the Newton Kirbyville game. That was a 1 score game in the 4th quarter despite Newton committing far more turnovers. Kirbyville capitalized late when Newton had to play risky ball running out of time. Now I am not taking anything away from Kirbyville, they beat Newton fair and square. Just saying you qualify the Kirbyville-Muleshoe score and then just give a final for the Newton-Kirbyville score. You can't have it both ways. I can tell you Daingerfield had a MUCH better defense than Kirbyville did, though Kirbyville had the better O in my opinion. All that being said, there still is no transitive property in football. So you never know. The Newton Daingerfield game could have easily been a 21 point win for Daingerfield or a 21 point win for Newton had a couple key plays went differently either way. Were the score different 21 points it wouldnt change anything. It just serves to show how futile trying to compare scores is. For example Daingerfield also beat 3A finalist Celina in the bobcats house. Does that mean Daingerfield would have played in the final had they went into the 3A bracket? Nope. Sure they might have..and they might not. What it means is Daingerfield beat Celina. Nothing more nothing less. Muleshoe beat Kirbyville. Kirbyville beat Newton and so did Daingerfield. That tells us absolutely nothing about what would happen should Newton or Daingerfield played Muleshoe or if Kirbyville played Daingerfield. Different nights, different teams, different matchups, different balls bouncing different ways.

Unless I missed a game, this was a state 11-man title game record for: Points scored - single team Points scored - both teams

Title game record is 120 Amherst 78, Milford 42 (1996 6 Man) This looks like a new 11 man record already previous was Lewisville 58 Converse Judson 34 (1996 5A Division 1) Corrected.

Source: Texasfootball.com MOST POINTS SCORED GAME, BOTH TEAMS (SINCE 1951) 143 — El Paso Burges 87, El Paso Austin 56, 2004 138 — Somerville 70, Thrall 68, 1998 130 — Menard 82, Eden 48, 1962 130 — Centerville 82, Groveton 48, 2003 130 — Royse City 70, Mount Vernon 60, 2004 127 — Liberty 64, Stafford 63, 1998 125 — Cypress-Fairbanks 63, Cypress Creek 62, 2007 124 — Port Isabel 63, Rice Consolidated 61, 2003 124 — Palestine Westwood 65, Diboll 59, 2007 123 — Port Lavaca Calhoun 76, Uvalde 47, 2006 122 — Austin Westlake 80, San Antonio Clark 42, 1994 121 — Sharyland 73, Mc Allen Memorial 48, 2004 120 — Donna 64, Brownsville Rivera 56, 1995 120 — Houston Worthing 63, Houston Sharpstown 57, 1999 119 — Houston Madison 61, Galena Park North Shore 58, 2001 119 — Canton 61, Gilmer 58, 2005 119 — Rusk 63, Madisonville 56, 2006 118 — Aldine 65, Houston Forest Brook 53, 1987 117 — Crowley 77, Granbury 40, 2001 116 — San Antonio Kennedy 60, San Antonio Jay 56, 1983 116 — McKinney North 60, Sherman 56, 2003 114 — Bridgeport 58, Lake Worth 56, 2005 114 — Birdville 70, Springtown 44, 2006 114 — Weslaco 69, Brownsville Lopez 45, 2007 114 — Lubbock Coronado 67, Amarillo Tascosa 47, 2007 114 — Lake Worth 65, Fort Worth Castleberry 49, 2007 113 — Plains 83, Stanton 30, 1965 113 — Hutto 70, Thorndale 43, 2001 113 — Liberty Hill 63, Manor 50, 2004 112 — San Antonio Reagan 59, San Antonio Madison 53, 2002 112 — Stockdale 70, Schulenburg 42, 2004 112 — Edinburg 57, Edinburg Economedes 55, 2004 112 — Kennedale 58, Bridgeport 54, 2004 112 — Liberty Hill 70, Ingram Moore 42, 2005 111 — Carthage 56, Diboll 55, 1999 111 — Galena Park North Shore 77, Baytown Lee 34, 2001 111 — Anthony 64, Tornillo 47, 2002 111 — Cuero 56, Wharton 55, 2004 111 — Gregory-Portland 68, Tuloso-Midway 43, 2005 111 — Arlington Martin 69, Arlington Sam Houston 42, 2006 111 — Mexia 63, Groesbeck 48, 2006 111 — Langham Creek 59, Cypress Creek 52, 2006 111 — Troup 60, Kerens 51, 2006 111 — Madisonville 63, Palestine Westwood 48, 2007 111 — Weslaco 62, Edinburg North, 2007 110 — Chico 76, Paradise 34, 1994 110 — San Antonio Jay 58, San Antonio Holmes 52, 1989 110 — Dickinson 58, Texas City 52, 2000 110 — Midland Lee 79, Odessa 31, 2004 110 — Houston King 58, Houston Forest Brook 52, 2005 110 — Bellaire 61, Houston Chavez 49, 2005 110 — Mount Pleasant 59, Paris 51, 2006 110 — Big Sandy 68, Ore City 42, 2006 109 — Milano 55, Waco Texas Christian 54, 2004 108 — Price Carlisle 102, Winona 6, 1960 108 — Wink 80, Mc Camey 28, 1952 108 — Stephenville 63, Fort Worth Western Hills 45, 2002 108 — Shallowater 63, Post 45, 2003 108 — Hewitt Midway 59, Brownwood 49, 2005 108 — Rockwall-Heath 70, Richardson Pearce 38, 2007 108 — San Antonio Brackenridge 71, San Antonio Fox Tech 37, 2007

The record for points in a game is 143: El Paso Burges 87, El Paso Austin 56, 2004

Sounds like a great game

QB ratings for this season through 15 games(NCAA formula): Gilbert 95.03 Rollinson 92.13 Green 76.17

Well I disagree that it has really anything to do with the game. AFAIK SS, Dayton, and LT have not played one another this year in any combination, and if they had there still is no transitive property of football. What Lake Travis has going is something well beyond stats, you really have to see them to understand. They are the kind of team you rarely see in high school. SS may well be as good, but I'd have to see them to believe that. Even speaking strictly on stats, to say SS is putting up more impressive numbers than LT is only true for a very narrow interpretation. It's true that SS is averaging a few more yards per game but that is pretty much it. SS 511.4 yards per game, 8.74 yards per play, 41.2 points per game LT 499.5 yards per game, 8.98 yards per play, 49.06 points per game Now SS or Dayton may well be as good as LT. They may even be better, they might also be half the team LT is. We'll never know for sure because neither Dayton nor SS played them this year. My opinion, for what it is worth (which granted may be little to you) is that both teams in this bracket are fortunate that LT is in the other one.

Look everyone's situation is different. I'll offer this from a purely economic standpoint. We know a few things about the demographics of WO-CCISD. This is not a tax-rich district. I don't know it for fact, but I am betting the district gets state funds to make up a difference on the Guaranteed Yield. (If I am wrong in this assumption I apologzie, feel free to correct my ignorance.) There are many low-income households populating the school. We also know that particular demographic (low income) tends to have high drop-out rates. If the argument that atheltics are the only thing keeping some low-income kids, who would not be able to participate without this service, is true..then it wouldnt take many to lose >$25K in state funding with the enrollment loss (depending on how big the tax income deficit is that could be as low as 2-3 kids) since that is based on enrollment. Now, granted, much of what I just typed is "what-if". It is however not an unlikely stretch. My point here is not to condemn either side of the argument, but to point out the issue may well be more complex than "Cut it and save $25K." Sure you reduce expense, but if doing so you reduce income...well the law of unintended consquences could well make that a decision that will net the district LESS money.

You may be correct, but PNG has seperate AD's for Mens and Womens sports. ..and there is nothing wrong with that if the district can afford it, whether it is needed or not.

For the curious, Lake Travis totals for this season: Total Yards: 7493 Passing Yards: 4639 Rushing Yards: 2854 736 points scored (49.06 ppg) Nope, it has nothing to do with the upcoming Dayton/SS game. I have not seen SS so can't make any educated predictions, but I am pulling for Dayton. Go Broncos!

That listing has not been updated since 2004. I don't know if LT has any totals higher, but I can say for sure that is why they are not listed.

To be honest, I don't think any SETX school districts are large enough to warrant a second AD.

Well OK then....reason has certainly gone out the window. Ya'll are right..it was probably some other newspaper that put all those SETX players on the AP ballot. In fact, I bet the B.E. did not even vote for them when someone else put them on the ballot! Down with them!

So you are saying that the B.E. did everything they could to nominate the players? Please...look at what a former employee that did a good job with the sports in the 90's says about their coverage of HS football and sports in general! I don't know gdickert but I recognize his name from when he was there, and I can assure you that I have some old clipings from the 90's to prove what he did for HS football coverage. They dropped the ball on this one and many others in yrs past! Unlike others on this thread, I am making no claims about what they did or did not do. Simply asking what makes everyone so sure the Enterprise did not put players on the ballot. It may well be true they did not put players on the ballot. I just have seen no evidence that is the case yet many on this thread are acting as if that is a fact. It is entirely possible that SETX players were put up for vote and just did not get the votes that kids covered by larger market papers did. We know for a fact that Justin Allbritton, Stephen Alfred, Randy Musgrove, Aaron Hazlewood, Deoir McNeil, Robert Boykins, Kody Johnston, Cameron Mitchell, and Broderrick Jackson were all on the ballot. Someone put them there and for some reason I doubt it was the Dallas Morning News.

It is a catch 22. Leave the starters in and run the score up and people stop paying attention to your numbers. All state is what it is.

The rese is actually more often true. I have been told that some writers vote based on where a kid is listed on various recruiting service lists. Why is everyone so sure the Beaumont Enterprise did not put people on the ballot?