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[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1253741" timestamp="1346241283"] [quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=102147.msg1253466#msg1253466 date=1346191251] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=102147.msg1253426#msg1253426 date=1346188731] So, with all that said, explain to me again how the MCM would be the 'better game'.  Do 'more people' and 'more turkey leg sales' account for a better game? [/quote] It depends on how you define what a game encompasses. I think atmosphere is a huge part of it. I think having a packed house of 13,000 fans contributes to that atmosphere. I think the tradition of the rivalry and both schools involved contributes to it. The history behind this game goes back almost nine decades. And of course, the competition between the two teams is a huge factor, and this is the circled date on the calendar in both fieldhouses. But I think it goes beyond the game, because Mid-County Madness is more than just a game - it doesn't begin at kickoff and end when the clock runs out. It's an ideology. The kids on the field, on the track and in the stands on both sides were raised to be at this game and to compete with each other everywhere, all the time. You go over to Nederland and look into the crayon boxes at the elementary schools, and you'll notice that there's not a single purple crayon in any of them. Why? Because their teachers had the entire class break all the purple crayons on the first day of school. You go to a Port Neches or Groves elementary school on the day of the game and you'll find stuffed bulldogs torn up and thrown across the gym at the end of the day. You drive around Mid-County on the day of the game, and you'll be able to tell what town you're in (something that most people who don't live in MC find difficult) just based on the colors the people are wearing. You'll find people from all over Mid-County arguing about plays made at this game 30+ years at any given time of the year - in one case, you'll even find one of the former head coaches writing about it in a PA News column all these years later. Heck, even if you go to the UIL meets and band competitions, you'll find PN-G and Nederland kids trying to one-up each other there, sometimes not even focusing on the rest of the competition. I can actually remember at one point my senior year - not even during the week of the game - NISD had the day off, so a bunch of Nederland band kids got together, drove to our after-school band practice, played their fight song from their cars, and then drove off. Certain sports teams - volleyball, softball, basketball and so on - that otherwise might not get much attention from either community can count on the MCM game as a sell-out - some of them even have the bands come in. I mean, seriously, how often do you see people standing in the aisles at a softball game? You do when PN-G and Nederland play. Old people around Port Neches still say that if Nederland was playing Hell, they'd be in the stands wearing red, and I'm sure some of Nederland's elderly folks say it the other way around. Former players from each team say that getting beat by the other is worse than getting your teeth kicked in. Some of them even say the rest of the season really doesn't matter and whether or not your season is successful depends entirely on whether or not you beat Nederland. Since coming here, Coach Faircloth has banned the team from speaking the word "Nederland" during game week (they're referred to only as "that other town"). I've seen people fly back from as far away as Las Vegas and drive from Dallas just to come see this game. I flew back from Alabama last year to see the game. You remember how that PN-G fan had the heart attack when Dre' Dunbar made the two-point conversion against y'all in 2009? That wasn't the first time someone's had a heart attack in the stands. The first time I know of was at Mid-County Madness the year before. You know how Aggies raise their kids to hate Longhorns and vice versa? Or how Alabama fans raise their kids to hate Auburn and vice versa and how Michigan fans raise their kids to hate Michigan State and vice versa? That's how it is with Mid-County Madness. There have been magazines that have called it the fiercest rivalry in the state, and it was mentioned as one of the state's top rivalries in the football exhibit at the Bullock Museum last year. The game doesn't just get broadcasted on two different radio stations and over the internet by both teams, it's now recorded and televised the following day. Supposedly, whoever monitors the internet broadcasts has reported hits on their site literally from all over the world. It's crazy, I know. But I don't think you'll find any PN-G or Nederland fans here who disagrees with me. I guess it's something you just have to experience to understand. [/quote]I hear what you're saying, but I don't know.  I understand the packed house deal.  I understand the off the field festivities.    I understand the love hate thing. I  understand the towns old timers chatting it up.  I understand the plane trips to see the game, and boy, do I remember that PN-G fan getting sick.  What you fail to realize is that this very same thing happens at other rivalry games, with the Soul Bowl being no exeption.  What's a 'top game'?  IMO, it's the overall experience from a fan's standpoint, wich means the amount of people in attendence plays NO factor.  I'm looking at the game.  Good football.  Players's speed, size, will to win.  I look at the halftimes.  Soul Bowl halftimes are worth the price of admission.  (you have to be there to see it).  It's almost like looking at a game on TV.  Does it really make a difference of  who's in the room with you when you're watching a top game?  (a room with a bunch of people or you watching it by your lonesome). [/quote] I'm sure it happens in other rivalries. I just think there's a reason MCM is ranked among the top of those rivalries. I guess we just look at the game differently. Not surprising that I would put emphasis on the arbitrary factors coming from a band background.

[quote name="Mr. Buddy Garrity" post="1253701" timestamp="1346215966"] [quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=102092.msg1253696#msg1253696 date=1346213710] [quote author=Mr. Buddy Garrity link=topic=102092.msg1253623#msg1253623 date=1346203581] not looking good for towns south of New Orleans. Heard levees are being breached, again. [/quote] I was watching the news about twenty minutes ago and they said there had been no reports of a breach. [/quote]yeah apparently one of those Parish Presidents was over-reacting. [/quote] Not surprising. But I can't say I blame them. I'd be a little gun-shy too.

[quote name="akifan94" post="1253762" timestamp="1346244137"] Has the mound ever beat PN-G in football? [/quote] No. Smoking Baby just finally figured out the Dayton jokes have gotten stale. ;D

[quote name="Mr. Buddy Garrity" post="1253623" timestamp="1346203581"] not looking good for towns south of New Orleans. Heard levees are being breached, again. [/quote] I was watching the news about twenty minutes ago and they said there had been no reports of a breach.

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1253426" timestamp="1346188731"] So, with all that said, explain to me again how the MCM would be the 'better game'.  Do 'more people' and 'more turkey leg sales' account for a better game? [/quote] It depends on how you define what a game encompasses. I think atmosphere is a huge part of it. I think having a packed house of 13,000 fans contributes to that atmosphere. I think the tradition of the rivalry and both schools involved contributes to it. The history behind this game goes back almost nine decades. And of course, the competition between the two teams is a huge factor, and this is the circled date on the calendar in both fieldhouses. But I think it goes beyond the game, because Mid-County Madness is more than just a game - it doesn't begin at kickoff and end when the clock runs out. It's an ideology. The kids on the field, on the track and in the stands on both sides were raised to be at this game and to compete with each other everywhere, all the time. You go over to Nederland and look into the crayon boxes at the elementary schools, and you'll notice that there's not a single purple crayon in any of them. Why? Because their teachers had the entire class break all the purple crayons on the first day of school. You go to a Port Neches or Groves elementary school on the day of the game and you'll find stuffed bulldogs torn up and thrown across the gym at the end of the day. You drive around Mid-County on the day of the game, and you'll be able to tell what town you're in (something that most people who don't live in MC find difficult) just based on the colors the people are wearing. You'll find people from all over Mid-County arguing about plays made at this game 30+ years at any given time of the year - in one case, you'll even find one of the former head coaches writing about it in a PA News column all these years later. Heck, even if you go to the UIL meets and band competitions, you'll find PN-G and Nederland kids trying to one-up each other there, sometimes not even focusing on the rest of the competition. I can actually remember at one point my senior year - not even during the week of the game - NISD had the day off, so a bunch of Nederland band kids got together, drove to our after-school band practice, played their fight song from their cars, and then drove off. Certain sports teams - volleyball, softball, basketball and so on - that otherwise might not get much attention from either community can count on the MCM game as a sell-out - some of them even have the bands come in. I mean, seriously, how often do you see people standing in the aisles at a softball game? You do when PN-G and Nederland play. Old people around Port Neches still say that if Nederland was playing Hell, they'd be in the stands wearing red, and I'm sure some of Nederland's elderly folks say it the other way around. Former players from each team say that getting beat by the other is worse than getting your teeth kicked in. Some of them even say the rest of the season really doesn't matter and whether or not your season is successful depends entirely on whether or not you beat Nederland. Since coming here, Coach Faircloth has banned the team from speaking the word "Nederland" during game week (they're referred to only as "that other town"). I've seen people fly back from as far away as Las Vegas and drive from Dallas just to come see this game. I flew back from Alabama last year to see the game. You remember how that PN-G fan had the heart attack when Dre' Dunbar made the two-point conversion against y'all in 2009? That wasn't the first time someone's had a heart attack in the stands. The first time I know of was at Mid-County Madness the year before. You know how Aggies raise their kids to hate Longhorns and vice versa? Or how Alabama fans raise their kids to hate Auburn and vice versa and how Michigan fans raise their kids to hate Michigan State and vice versa? That's how it is with Mid-County Madness. There have been magazines that have called it the fiercest rivalry in the state, and it was mentioned as one of the state's top rivalries in the football exhibit at the Bullock Museum last year. The game doesn't just get broadcasted on two different radio stations and over the internet by both teams, it's now recorded and televised the following day. Supposedly, whoever monitors the internet broadcasts has reported hits on their site literally from all over the world. It's crazy, I know. But I don't think you'll find any PN-G or Nederland fans here who disagrees with me. I guess it's something you just have to experience to understand.

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1253411" timestamp="1346187765"] [quote]No SRO for MC fans? Even though every one of those tickets would sell? Plus you'd sell two more turkey legs for every person? Man, between this and the Walker thing, y'all just have really bad business sense.[/quote] Now you are just wrong for that!  ;D ;D [/quote] ;D

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1253408" timestamp="1346187636"] [quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=102157.msg1253396#msg1253396 date=1346186899] Just seeing the title of this thread makes me hungry. [/quote]I'll send you a burger via mail to the great state of Alabama one day.  8)  On me. [/quote] Thanks, Soulja. :)

Just seeing the title of this thread makes me hungry.

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1253308" timestamp="1346179528"] Standing room for Beamont team's fans, not MC fans.  8) ;) :D Overall talent across the board.  Central suffered with injury issues.  Even though we were horrible in the season, we played Ozen to 1 score loss (Ozen scored with less than 5 minutes left for the go ahead score).    Central is always loaded with talent and this year's Ozen team will be probably the most athletic team in Southeast Texas. [/quote] No SRO for MC fans? Even though every one of those tickets would sell? Plus you'd sell two more turkey legs for every person? Man, between this and the Walker thing, y'all just have really bad business sense. ;) ;D There's no doubt that they're loaded with talent and it could be the most competitive game played all year. I'm just saying, Mid-County Madness is always a nail-biter and the Mid-County fans are always going to set the season attendance record with that game. Even if the "Soul Bowl" sells out plus a thousand SRO tickets on each side, Indian Stadium would still hold more people.

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1253255" timestamp="1346175277"] [quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=102147.msg1253248#msg1253248 date=1346174913] [quote author=OHSNG68 link=topic=102147.msg1253244#msg1253244 date=1346174438] Why is everybody forgetting about the Central vs. Ozen Game aka "The Soul Bowl". And i'm pretty sure it will have twice the fans as any of those other games. Just sayin!!!! [/quote] No offense, but Mid-County Madness will probably have 3,000+ more fans than the "Soul Bowl." Even if your game sells out, the Butch Bowl only holds ~10,000 fans. MCM will definitely sell out and Indian Stadium seats 13,000. Not to mention that PN-G and Nederland probably have the two largest fanbases in the area (PN-G's is one of the largest in the state). Ozen and Central will play a great game, no doubt. But to say that it will out-sell MCM is reaching. [/quote]2 things here.  1. The butch holds more rans than it's capacity.  There is a lot of standing room.  2. The list is 'top games', not highest attendence.  Personally, I would prefer the game that shows better football vs. people in attendence.  More people in the stands don't necessarily make it the better game to attend.  PS.  The Central/Ozen halftime is unlike any other.  ;) 8) [/quote] Ok. What's the SRO capacity? And are you sure they can sell SRO? PN-G's played more than one sold out game at the Butch and I have yet to see an SRO area. A lot of schools (PN-G and Nederland among them) that used to sell SRO tickets stopped thanks to tighter fire ordinances. I don't know if it will be a more competitive game or not. After the way Central played last year, that's really hard to say. And Ozen really didn't come into its prime until late in the season (remember, they barely made the playoffs), so we don't know that they'll be playing to their full potential either. Granted, it's a rivalry game and both teams have a lot of talent, but talent doesn't always mean a competitive game (just ask LSU ;D) and the Orange Bowl (LC-M vs. WO-S) is technically a rivalry game as well.

[quote name="OHSNG68" post="1253244" timestamp="1346174438"] Why is everybody forgetting about the Central vs. Ozen Game aka "The Soul Bowl". And i'm pretty sure it will have twice the fans as any of those other games. Just sayin!!!! [/quote] No offense, but Mid-County Madness will probably have 3,000+ more fans than the "Soul Bowl." Even if your game sells out, the Butch Bowl only holds ~10,000 fans. MCM will definitely sell out and Indian Stadium seats 13,000. Not to mention that PN-G and Nederland probably have the two largest fanbases in the area (PN-G's is one of the largest in the state). Ozen and Central will play a great game, no doubt. But to say that it will out-sell MCM is reaching.

[quote name="Smoking Baby" post="1253076" timestamp="1346156623"] Well if some old dude sending me love notes and digging holes in my back yard causes me to dance around like the village people, NO thank you.  I'd rather sit on my porch at 60 yrs old and bark like a DOG when a high school kid scores a TD.  I mean really, where your common sense in all this?  ;) [/quote] I guess you're qualified to make that decision after all the barking and Cherokee you've heard after all the touchdowns BH has given up to the MC teams. Besides, you've had a lot of time to think about it. It's not like you've been going to many playoff games. ;) ;D My Spanish has always sucked, but I guess y'all's new name is: Las Aguilas de la Cuesta Hormiga

[quote name="mytwocents" post="1252968" timestamp="1346120319"] [quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=100950.msg1252904#msg1252904 date=1346111947] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=100950.msg1252843#msg1252843 date=1346103852] [quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=100950.msg1252196#msg1252196 date=1346035932] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=100950.msg1241720#msg1241720 date=1343950803] [quote author=Jduncan1 link=topic=100950.msg1241719#msg1241719 date=1343950456] Not season tickets [/quote] I was told different. PM me. [/quote] It's true. When I picked up season tickets for my parents before leaving town, Vidor was the first game to sell out. The ticket lady said they had requested more and to come back a few days later. When I went back, she said that Vidor had refused to send more than the original 500. All other tickets would not be sent until the week of the game. [/quote] Oh. I see. 500 isn't all that they are selling but they are holding the rest till the week of the game. Okay. I gotcha. [/quote] Yes. However, in past years, they sent more than 500. I don't know why this changed for this season. [/quote] I honestly have no idea but i'm sure they have a good reason, especially considering who we are playing for homecoming lol. [/quote] Probably. I just can't figure out what it is. This the third time that since 2007 we've played Vidor for their homecoming and as far as I know, this is the first time they've sent so few tickets for purchase before the season starts.

[quote name="Mr. Buddy Garrity" post="1253006" timestamp="1346124499"] i sure hope these New Orleans evacuees dont get stupid around here in PA the next couple of days. I remember my mother telling me some stories about how it was around here when Gustav hit there and they all came here and to Houston. [/quote] You think Gustav was bad, you should have seen things during Katrina. Ford Park was a madhouse.

[quote name="mytwocents" post="1252843" timestamp="1346103852"] [quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=100950.msg1252196#msg1252196 date=1346035932] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=100950.msg1241720#msg1241720 date=1343950803] [quote author=Jduncan1 link=topic=100950.msg1241719#msg1241719 date=1343950456] Not season tickets [/quote] I was told different. PM me. [/quote] It's true. When I picked up season tickets for my parents before leaving town, Vidor was the first game to sell out. The ticket lady said they had requested more and to come back a few days later. When I went back, she said that Vidor had refused to send more than the original 500. All other tickets would not be sent until the week of the game. [/quote] Oh. I see. 500 isn't all that they are selling but they are holding the rest till the week of the game. Okay. I gotcha. [/quote] Yes. However, in past years, they sent more than 500. I don't know why this changed for this season.

[quote name="ScalpEm24" post="1252841" timestamp="1346103731"] I agree bama...no worries, no matter what is said in a thread in which PNG is brought up, someone is bound to think we are over taking the thread & turning it into a PNG Thread. Funny thing is, its never us...PNG envy much? LOL Now, back to what i said originally, I agree this WONT HAPPEN, but in this hypothetical thread of what ifs and Vidorians trying to cross the river from Orange County to Jefferson County I thought it would be a fun and different approach to renaming teams. [/quote] Some people, right? It does put an interesting spin on things. If "Indians" as a team name was absolutely out of the question, I think the Tri-City Tigers or Tri-City Tornadoes would be pretty cool. But if we went with a tiger for a mascot, I just couldn't support purple and gold as the school colors anymore. ;D Also, if it were Mid-County High instead of Tri-City High, it would be cool to be the Mid-County Marauders.

[quote name="NDNation" post="1252801" timestamp="1346100719"] [quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=102063.msg1252793#msg1252793 date=1346100160] [quote author=NDNation link=topic=102063.msg1252788#msg1252788 date=1346099848] What????? I thought they didnt start selling till Tuesday. Couldnt get them when we got our season tickets. :-[ [/quote] The season ticket allotment sold out. There's a general admission allotment of 1,000 tickets that will go on sale tomorrow in the field house at 8 AM. [/quote] At the field-house window....only 1,000...yep, will be sold out by noon. [/quote] They say they're going to be on sale 8 AM-3 PM, Tuesday through Thursday, but I think they'll be sold out well before closing time Tuesday.

[quote name="raidernaytion" post="1252813" timestamp="1346101412"] Thanks for killing another thread PN-G bamakid [/quote] Who said the thread was dead? Buddy's still going with it. My only arguably off-topic post in this thread was a response to another PN-G fan that didn't involve you at all. You decided to respond to my post and we carried on a conversation. Granted, it went off on a tangent from the original thread topic, but you're the one who chose to pursue that topic and now you're the one who's deciding to continue it by trying (and really failing) to make insults. I don't see why you're making such a big deal out of nothing.

[quote name="raidernaytion" post="1252798" timestamp="1346100625"] [quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=102127.msg1252796#msg1252796 date=1346100383] [quote author=raidernaytion link=topic=102127.msg1252792#msg1252792 date=1346100109] Wow you googled it I'm impressed ! Seriously go up river and veer off into the marsh toward Vidor at low tide . You would be amazed at the artifacts that are there in great abundance but seriously I don't want to turn this into a PNG thread . It makes me want to puke [/quote] I didn't google anything. I know my town's history. Most PN-G kids learn about the Indian presence in the area at some point in elementary school and we always get the story about how that effected the decision over the team name. I'm not saying Vidor doesn't have Indian ruins. All I'm saying is that it's something most of the PN-G folks take very seriously, mostly because a lot of the folks down here playing in the park around the old mounds and that we've been presented with a very special honor only two other Texas high schools have received. [/quote] PNG sucks [/quote] Good comeback. ::)

[quote name="raidernaytion" post="1252792" timestamp="1346100109"] Wow you googled it I'm impressed ! Seriously go up river and veer off into the marsh toward Vidor at low tide . You would be amazed at the artifacts that are there in great abundance but seriously I don't want to turn this into a PNG thread . It makes me want to puke [/quote] I didn't google anything. I know my town's history. Most PN-G kids learn about the Indian presence in the area at some point in elementary school and we always get the story about how that effected the decision over the team name. I'm not saying Vidor doesn't have Indian ruins. All I'm saying is that it's something most of the PN-G folks take very seriously, mostly because a lot of the folks down here grew up playing in the park around the old mounds and we've been presented with a very special honor only two other Texas high schools have received.

[quote name="NDNation" post="1252788" timestamp="1346099848"] What????? I thought they didnt start selling till Tuesday. Couldnt get them when we got our season tickets. :-[ [/quote] The season ticket allotment sold out. There's a general admission allotment of 1,000 tickets that will go on sale tomorrow in the field house at 8 AM.

[quote name="raidernaytion" post="1252778" timestamp="1346098986"] [quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=102127.msg1252756#msg1252756 date=1346097614] [quote author=ScalpEm24 link=topic=102127.msg1252731#msg1252731 date=1346095733] Uproar to ensue...  :o I always thought since both ISD's in Mid County can't seem to do much w/ their prospective issues at hand, the day would come that the 2 ISD's could combine & make one solid ISD. Tri-City ISD School: Tri-City High School Mascot: Cherokee Colors: Black & Purple & Silver Gotta keep the Indian theme for the ability to keep Cherokee. I mean let's be realistic anyway, Nederland folks know Cherokee is by far a better fight song. School Colors.. Black from Ned, Purple from PNG, Silver as the new color (Silver is a good medium between Gold & white) Can you imagine the teams that could be put together? My guess, the kids wouldn't care a bit once they got used to it. The parents?? Well we know that's another story. Although, I must say there are quite a few parents out there for both sides that one spouse went to the rival school. So that hatred can't run that deep. LOL. Something to think about for sure... [/quote] Won't happen. But I will say this much. If it ever did happen (and it won't), I would much rather see purple and gold. Even though I hate any sort of LSU imitation and that would kind of be a slap in the face to Lincoln graduates in the area, I think that looks a lot better than purple and black. I do think we would need to keep the Indian mascot (I know most of the Nederland fans would have a heart attack) because of the official ties to the Cherokee tribe. You don't just give up that kind of unique relationship. Besides, American Indians actually inhabited Mid-County, so it showcases the area's history. [/quote] American Indians inhabited all of America not just the middle of Jefferson county and cherokees never got close to this area + our local indians were cannibals and lived mostly in the bessie heights region of modern day vidor > just look at all the pottery up the river in vidor at low tide [/quote] I know the Cherokee never got close to this area. I was referring to the Chief of the Cherokee Nation presenting PN-G with his official seal, a certificate proclaiming the high school grounds as an honorary addition to the Cherokee reservation and a letter granting the high school the specific right to use the team name "Indians" in 1980. There were Indian settlements in the Mid-County area, mostly Karankawa and Attakapa. The last excavation of old Indian burial mounds took place in Port Neches Park only about a decade ago. That's considered an integral part of the history of the area and the proximity of their settlements to the old high school was the primary factor in the selection of "Indians" as the then-Port Neches High School football team name in 1925.

Brenham. Probably by a lot.

[quote name="Tigersvoice" post="1252760" timestamp="1346097804"] [quote author=football04 link=topic=102063.msg1252668#msg1252668 date=1346091644] With size of PNG's band and drill teams you better get there early if you want a seat. Nice stadium in Silsbee but Visitors side is a little small for a PNG crowd. [/quote] I bet that PNG doesn't fill it up!!!!!! [/quote] ???

[quote name="Eagle11" post="1252732" timestamp="1346095872"] [quote author=Monkeynuts link=topic=102127.msg1252726#msg1252726 date=1346095431] Brenham Blue [s]Bells[/s][/quote]Belles [/quote] Would Mrs. Daisy wearing a blue dress be the mascot? ;D