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The term 'talent' has been discussed in many different aspects on this forum. One's perception of talent seems to be different than the next guy's opinion. What are the top 5 (or more) qualities, in your opinion, that makes a High School kid 'talented'?

There are plenty more, I know, but this should get it started:
(Does not have to be in order)

1. Basketball IQ
2. Athleticism*
3. Diversified Scoring Ability (inside, outside, [b]SMRJ[/b], FTs)
4. Defensive Effeciency (Steals, Blocked Shots, defensive pressure)
5. Ball Control (Low TO/steal ratio; dribbling/passing)

There are plenty others, I know.
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[quote name="NB-Dawg" post="1179366" timestamp="1329410241"]
The term 'talent' has been discussed in many different aspects on this forum. One's perception of talent seems to be different than the next guy's opinion. What are the top 5 (or more) qualities, in your opinion, that makes a High School kid 'talented'?

There are plenty more, I know, but this should get it started:
(Does not have to be in order)

1. Basketball IQ
2. Athleticism*
3. Diversified Scoring Ability (inside, outside, [b]SMRJ[/b], FTs)
4. Defensive Effeciency (Steals, Blocked Shots, defensive pressure)
5. Ball Control (Low TO/steal ratio; dribbling/passing)

There are plenty others, I know.
[/quote]sHEEZ! You left out the most important one..... mental toughness, and don't you dare use the excuse, "it goes under basketball IQ."  :)
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[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1179369" timestamp="1329410634"]
[quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96103.msg1179366#msg1179366 date=1329410241]
The term 'talent' has been discussed in many different aspects on this forum. One's perception of talent seems to be different than the next guy's opinion. What are the top 5 (or more) qualities, in your opinion, that makes a High School kid 'talented'?

There are plenty more, I know, but this should get it started:
(Does not have to be in order)

1. Basketball IQ
2. Athleticism*
3. Diversified Scoring Ability (inside, outside, [b]SMRJ[/b], FTs)
4. Defensive Effeciency (Steals, Blocked Shots, defensive pressure)
5. Ball Control (Low TO/steal ratio; dribbling/passing)

There are plenty others, I know.
[/quote]sHEEZ! You left out the most important one..... mental
toughness, and don't you dare use the excuse, "it goes under basketball
IQ."  :)
[/quote]
Yep, that's where I put it-sorry!  :-[ Anyway, 'mental toughness' is necessary in ANY sport!
As I mentioned, here is a START. Please add to it.  :)
We don't know what talent looks like (in Nederland)  ::) - so we want to know!
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[quote name="NB-Dawg" post="1179366" timestamp="1329410241"]
The term 'talent' has been discussed in many different aspects on this forum. One's perception of talent seems to be different than the next guy's opinion. What are the top 5 (or more) qualities, in your opinion, that makes a High School kid 'talented'?

There are plenty more, I know, but this should get it started:
(Does not have to be in order)

1. Basketball IQ
2. Athleticism*
3. Diversified Scoring Ability (inside, outside, [b]SMRJ[/b], FTs)
4. Defensive Effeciency (Steals, Blocked Shots, defensive pressure)
5. Ball Control (Low TO/steal ratio; dribbling/passing)

There are plenty others, I know.
[/quote]
In my opinion, this criteria is not consistent. Basketball IQ and Athleticism are very general where as 3, 4, and 5 are more specific. Scoring ability and ball control are factors that make up the equation of IQ, and your defensive abilities and efficiency (correctly spelled) fall more under the category of athleticism.

I don't think it is an argument that Basketball IQ would be taken over athleticism any day of the week. You can make yourself stronger, quicker, and more agile, we all have seen it done. But, your basketball IQ isn't something that will change much over time, no matter how many drills you go through in practice.
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[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1179394" timestamp="1329412872"]
You can have all the IQ , but don't mean anything if you too scared to use it. It's Nederland, I will grant this exception. ;D
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On the other side of the equation, you can have a lot of talent and if not applied properly, the results are not particularly gratifying.  Of course, if you are scared or intimidated, then the basketball IQ is maybe not what it could/should be
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[quote name="stevenash" post="1179406" timestamp="1329413441"]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=96103.msg1179394#msg1179394 date=1329412872]
You can have all the IQ , but don't mean anything if you too scared to use it. It's Nederland, I will grant this exception. ;D
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On the other side of the equation, you can have a lot of talent and if not applied properly, the results are not particularly gratifying.  Of course, if you are scared or intimidated, then the basketball IQ is maybe not what it could/should be
[/quote]100 % agree
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[quote name="stevenash" post="1179409" timestamp="1329413991"]
[quote author=lamar73! link=topic=96103.msg1179408#msg1179408 date=1329413814]
How about Leadership Qualities and Work Ethic? I have seen talent become a cancer and tear a team apart.
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Allen Iverson is good example
[/quote]Always kicking on the little man, aren't you Nash?
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Big example is work ethic. I know someone already said this but, IMO, its probably the most important trait. I would take someone who has about 55% free throw and an average of 10 points a game who is in the gym every day working harder than anyone over someone who is averaging 20 points a game who shows up late to practice and has a bad attitude.
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Basketball IQ and the skills to go with make a player talented, but the reason some teams are just plain better than others is the fact that their players were more physically gifted.. (Height, wingspan, body size)..
The root of talent in basketball is work ethic and practice.. And the kids that want to put the time in to be better, will be better
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[quote name="vp32" post="1179445" timestamp="1329416603"]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=96103.msg1179443#msg1179443 date=1329416458]
Give me guys with heart and I'll kick your butt or die trying ;)
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Amen there.
[/quote]
OK - here's two piano players, one flautist, one harpist,
and one cello player.  They are all males, they are all
6'2" or slightly over and they all have heart.  Start them against HJ or Silsbee - in my opinion, it'll be "die trying."
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[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1179433" timestamp="1329415774"]
[quote author=stevenash link=topic=96103.msg1179409#msg1179409 date=1329413991]
[quote author=lamar73! link=topic=96103.msg1179408#msg1179408 date=1329413814]
How about Leadership Qualities and Work Ethic? I have seen talent become a cancer and tear a team apart.
[/quote]

Allen Iverson is good example
[/quote]Always kicking on the little man, aren't you Nash?
[/quote]

He "earned" what he got.
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[quote name="Tigersvoice" post="1179480" timestamp="1329419420"]
[quote author=vp32 link=topic=96103.msg1179445#msg1179445 date=1329416603]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=96103.msg1179443#msg1179443 date=1329416458]
Give me guys with heart and I'll kick your butt or die trying ;)
[/quote]
Amen there.
[/quote]
OK - here's two piano players, one flautist, one harpist,
and one cello player.  They are all males, they are all
6'2" or slightly over and they all have heart.  Start them against HJ or Silsbee - in my opinion, it'll be "die trying."
[/quote]How you gonna have the same heart playing a *harp?*  ::) ::)
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[quote name="Tigersvoice" post="1179480" timestamp="1329419420"]
[quote author=vp32 link=topic=96103.msg1179445#msg1179445 date=1329416603]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=96103.msg1179443#msg1179443 date=1329416458]
Give me guys with heart and I'll kick your butt or die trying ;)
[/quote]
Amen there.
[/quote]
OK - here's two piano players, one flautist, one harpist,
and one cello player.  They are all males, they are all
6'2" or slightly over and they all have heart.  Start them against HJ or Silsbee - in my opinion, it'll be "die trying."
[/quote]

;D ;D ;D ;D  TV, you are always so elegantly eloquent.
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[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1179491" timestamp="1329419943"]
[quote author=Tigersvoice link=topic=96103.msg1179480#msg1179480 date=1329419420]
[quote author=vp32 link=topic=96103.msg1179445#msg1179445 date=1329416603]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=96103.msg1179443#msg1179443 date=1329416458]
Give me guys with heart and I'll kick your butt or die trying ;)
[/quote]
Amen there.
[/quote]
OK - here's two piano players, one flautist, one harpist,
and one cello player.  They are all males, they are all
6'2" or slightly over and they all have heart.  Start them against HJ or Silsbee - in my opinion, it'll be "die trying."
[/quote]How you gonna have the same heart playing a *harp?*  ::) ::)
[/quote]
All of these guys are [u][b]passionate[/b][/u]about the music they play.  Their hearts abound.  (Dove, that's abound not "rebound." ;D)
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[quote name="Tigersvoice" post="1179503" timestamp="1329420631"]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=96103.msg1179491#msg1179491 date=1329419943]
[quote author=Tigersvoice link=topic=96103.msg1179480#msg1179480 date=1329419420]
[quote author=vp32 link=topic=96103.msg1179445#msg1179445 date=1329416603]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=96103.msg1179443#msg1179443 date=1329416458]
Give me guys with heart and I'll kick your butt or die trying ;)
[/quote]
Amen there.
[/quote]
OK - here's two piano players, one flautist, one harpist,
and one cello player.  They are all males, they are all
6'2" or slightly over and they all have heart.  Start them against HJ or Silsbee - in my opinion, it'll be "die trying."
[/quote]How you gonna have the same heart playing a *harp?*  ::) ::)
[/quote]
All of these guys are [u][b]passionate[/b][/u]about the music they play.  Their hearts abound.  (Dove, that's abound not "rebound." ;D)
[/quote]

I just hope they ran cross country instead of universal off season.
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