Jump to content

Question for the Basketball Gurus!


Recommended Posts

F[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="916190" timestamp="1290395929"]
Glad to know the boys can overcome and decide for themselves.

FYI, I hear Kelly and Legacy need some good players. ;) ;D
[/quote]wow...now I am getting booted out of longhorn country by the insightful insider...LOL. Well, maybe we should suspend this conversation and have an all out discussion midseason since someone said its too early for assessment. In the end what it boils down to is that ALOT of sacrifice and hardwork is put in...far more than most people I know. This is not just a pastime. Being under the radar getting recruitment letters is serious business and it feels great when your kid gets one. Free tuition is serious to me. So all I want is for HF to treat basketball with the same respect that football gets...plain and simple. I just want a standard of excellence for the place my kids love.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Replies 94
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

[quote name="txball000" post="916247" timestamp="1290400337"]
Why would a coach invest in a player and push him up to varsity to take playing time from a Senior when "that player" won't be in the program for the long haul?

[/quote]What player would that be? What player on Hfs team that you know told the coach that he was going elsewhere and would not be there for the "long haul"? Now, you are out-sighting the insighted insider. You are obviously privy to some conversations off limits to me...that fly on the wall.  Oh and in the real world....being a senior does not give you some magic pass......that thought process is the problem. When my boys are seniors I hope there are some underclassmen trying to beat them out...keeps them working hard to keep their spot. It will happen in the  collegiate arena and further on into the workforce. Life lessons.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="916260" timestamp="1290401423"]
[quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=76459.msg916190#msg916190 date=1290395929]
Glad to know the boys can overcome and decide for themselves.

FYI, I hear Kelly and Legacy need some good players. ;) ;D
[/quote]I do have to admit that Kelly doesn't mind playing a competitive schedule in Houston ;)
[/quote]Dove...been hanging 'round you too long. Now the forum loves to hate me too...LOL. You are rubbing off. Next, I'll be getting kicked off....LOL!
Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name="txball000" post="916247" timestamp="1290400337"]
Why would a coach invest in a player and push him up to varsity to take playing time from a Senior when "that player" won't be in the program for the long haul?

[/quote]Who told you "the player" would not be in the program for the long haul ??? ???
Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name="Sea Aggie" post="916160" timestamp="1290394278"]
[quote author=hitchpin link=topic=76459.msg916064#msg916064 date=1290389564]
[quote author=speechless link=topic=76459.msg916050#msg916050 date=1290388815]
believe me it aint your basketball coach that is makin em lift on gamedays
[/quote]

are yall serious they weight train on GAME DAY??? like full workout or light load?
[/quote]

Any weight training on game days is stupid, but if you choose to be a multiple sport athlete then you should be dedicated to each sport by giving effort into each respective sport. [b]If there isn't a game on that day and a student only has basketball practice that day then the student should do his lifting for football on that day,[/b] but lifting on game days is totally ignorant on the football and basketball coach's behalf. If I'm not mistaken I have heard that H-F actually has some talented players on varsity this year and if that's true then there is no reason not to see results.
[/quote]

Your saying that [b]during basketball season[/b], basketball players who also play football are expected to lift weights for football if they do not have a basketball game that day. So I would assume that [b]during football season[/b] these same kids practice football [b]and[/b] do their basketball training on Monday thru Thursday?
Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="916270" timestamp="1290402432"]
[quote author=txball000 link=topic=76459.msg916247#msg916247 date=1290400337]
Why would a coach invest in a player and push him up to varsity to take playing time from a Senior when "that player" won't be in the program for the long haul?

[/quote]Who told you "the player" would not be in the program for the long haul ??? ???
[/quote]Maybe it's just a rumor.....you know those rumors can get started in a "flash"  ;)
Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name="Versey Ledbetter" post="916273" timestamp="1290402528"]
[quote author=Sea Aggie link=topic=76459.msg916160#msg916160 date=1290394278]
[quote author=hitchpin link=topic=76459.msg916064#msg916064 date=1290389564]
[quote author=speechless link=topic=76459.msg916050#msg916050 date=1290388815]
believe me it aint your basketball coach that is makin em lift on gamedays
[/quote]

are yall serious they weight train on GAME DAY??? like full workout or light load?
[/quote]

Any weight training on game days is stupid, but if you choose to be a multiple sport athlete then you should be dedicated to each sport by giving effort into each respective sport. [b]If there isn't a game on that day and a student only has basketball practice that day then the student should do his lifting for football on that day,[/b] but lifting on game days is totally ignorant on the football and basketball coach's behalf. If I'm not mistaken I have heard that H-F actually has some talented players on varsity this year and if that's true then there is no reason not to see results.
[/quote]

Your saying that [b]during basketball season[/b], basketball players who also play football are expected to lift weights for football if they do not have a basketball game that day. So I would assume that [b]during football season[/b] these same kids practice football [b]and[/b] do their basketball training on Monday thru Thursday?
[/quote]clarification: even players that do not play football are lifting weights on game day..so I am told. I am all for weights but not on game day.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name="txball000" post="916285" timestamp="1290404023"]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=76459.msg916270#msg916270 date=1290402432]
[quote author=txball000 link=topic=76459.msg916247#msg916247 date=1290400337]
Why would a coach invest in a player and push him up to varsity to take playing time from a Senior when "that player" won't be in the program for the long haul?

[/quote]Who told you "the player" would not be in the program for the long haul ??? ???
[/quote]Maybe it's just a rumor.....you know those rumors can get started in a "flash"  ;)
[/quote] Flash? Now that's interesting.  Well...as u said...you know those rumors.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Coaches have different reason for not playing freshman on the Varsity.  Some have a "rule" about it, although it might not be a smart move on their part.  Pride may be bigger then brain.  Some may hear "rumors", read message boards, etc and think if that player or players parent is not happy with the program they have in place, why would the coach want them on varsity. You never know the reasons things happen.  Keep working hard, do your best when you get your chance, if this is the season you have to endure.  It is also way early in the season, hopefully it will get better by district.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

H.F better players are on J.V and 1 on the Freshman team. If H.F wants to compete on the Varsity level then he's gonna have to play those guys up. Hj is wasting no time grooming their Freshman Sensation (Bosha) who put up 20+ against Ktz in his 1st Varsity game. Oh and he starts...
Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name="mfd814" post="916310" timestamp="1290412609"]
Coaches have different reason for not playing freshman on the Varsity.  Some have a "rule" about it, although it might not be a smart move on their part.  Pride may be bigger then brain.  Some may hear "rumors", read message boards, etc and think if that player or players parent is not happy with the program they have in place, why would the coach want them on varsity. You never know the reasons things happen.  Keep working hard, do your best when you get your chance, if this is the season you have to endure.  It is also way early in the season, hopefully it will get better by district.
[/quote]until now...I have never disclosed any displeasure whatsoever....shame on them for following rumors. But if a kid deserves to play at higher level of comp and has the biggest heart and strongest work ethic district wide. Not to mention a winning attitude and doesn't get rewarded...that's foul.  Right now no one at Hamshire is superstar player but some do have great potential. Also if your son has been rewarded for his talent and hard work then you are probably not in the position to have fully understand. But the fate is accepted....and those players will continue to go out each day and contribute to their teams.  As you know, Summer ball will be here before you know it.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name="Scalabrine" post="916331" timestamp="1290430687"]
H.F better players are on J.V and 1 on the Freshman team. If H.F wants to compete on the Varsity level then he's gonna have to play those guys up. Hj is wasting no time grooming their Freshman Sensation (Bosha) who put up 20+ against Ktz in his 1st Varsity game. Oh and he starts...
[/quote]I disagree. The varsity is not void of good players. My biggest issue is pulling the best together....I want to compete...not just play. And this will become a very pivotal issue next year....I want a winning attitude to become infectious and we need to start now. Lastly, this is nothing personal at the coach...happen to like the coach a lot...nice person. Just trying to gain an understanding of the plan. Kudos to HJ for starting early Bosha will gain a lot from the experience.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name="mammagotjuice" post="916291" timestamp="1290405366"]
[quote author=txball000 link=topic=76459.msg916285#msg916285 date=1290404023]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=76459.msg916270#msg916270 date=1290402432]
[quote author=txball000 link=topic=76459.msg916247#msg916247 date=1290400337]
Why would a coach invest in a player and push him up to varsity to take playing time from a Senior when "that player" won't be in the program for the long haul?

[/quote]Who told you "the player" would not be in the program for the long haul ??? ???
[/quote]Maybe it's just a rumor.....you know those rumors can get started in a "flash"  ;)
[/quote] Flash? Now that's interesting.  Well...as u said...you know those rumors.
[/quote]"Flash" [color=blue]made the decision [/color] to play @ Hamshire. Thats all that matters ;)
Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name="mammagotjuice" post="916369" timestamp="1290434778"]
[quote author=Scalabrine link=topic=76459.msg916331#msg916331 date=1290430687]
H.F better players are on J.V and 1 on the Freshman team. If H.F wants to compete on the Varsity level then he's gonna have to play those guys up. Hj is wasting no time grooming their Freshman Sensation (Bosha) who put up 20+ against Ktz in his 1st Varsity game. Oh and he starts...
[/quote]I disagree. The varsity is not void of good players. My biggest issue is pulling the best together....I want to compete...not just play. And this will become a very pivotal issue next year....I want a winning attitude to become infectious and we need to start now. Lastly, this is nothing personal at the coach...happen to like the coach a lot...nice person. Just trying to gain an understanding of the plan. Kudos to HJ for starting early Bosha will gain a lot from the experience.
[/quote]I'm just sitting back reading.....enjoying the dialogue. ;D
Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="916377" timestamp="1290435315"]
[quote author=mammagotjuice link=topic=76459.msg916291#msg916291 date=1290405366]
[quote author=txball000 link=topic=76459.msg916285#msg916285 date=1290404023]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=76459.msg916270#msg916270 date=1290402432]
[quote author=txball000 link=topic=76459.msg916247#msg916247 date=1290400337]
Why would a coach invest in a player and push him up to varsity to take playing time from a Senior when "that player" won't be in the program for the long haul?

[/quote]Who told you "the player" would not be in the program for the long haul ??? ???
[/quote]Maybe it's just a rumor.....you know those rumors can get started in a "flash"  ;)
[/quote] Flash? Now that's interesting.  Well...as u said...you know those rumors.
[/quote]"Flash" [color=blue]made the decision [/color] to play @ Hamshire. Thats all that matters ;)
[/quote]Made the decision for [b]this[/b] year......what about the future?
Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name="mammagotjuice" post="916369" timestamp="1290434778"]
[quote author=Scalabrine link=topic=76459.msg916331#msg916331 date=1290430687]
H.F better players are on J.V and 1 on the Freshman team. If H.F wants to compete on the Varsity level then he's gonna have to play those guys up. Hj is wasting no time grooming their Freshman Sensation (Bosha) who put up 20+ against Ktz in his 1st Varsity game. Oh and he starts...
[/quote]I disagree. The varsity is not void of good players. My biggest issue is pulling the best together....I want to compete...not just play. And this will become a very pivotal issue next year....I want a winning attitude to become infectious and we need to start now. Lastly, this is nothing personal at the coach...happen to like the coach a lot...nice person. Just trying to gain an understanding of the plan. Kudos to HJ for starting early Bosha will gain a lot from the experience.
[/quote]Pivotal issue next year because both your boys will be in high school.  Laying the foundation now?  Would you have started this thread if your freshman was already on varsity?
Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name="txball000" post="916396" timestamp="1290437110"]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=76459.msg916377#msg916377 date=1290435315]
[quote author=mammagotjuice link=topic=76459.msg916291#msg916291 date=1290405366]
[quote author=txball000 link=topic=76459.msg916285#msg916285 date=1290404023]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=76459.msg916270#msg916270 date=1290402432]
[quote author=txball000 link=topic=76459.msg916247#msg916247 date=1290400337]
Why would a coach invest in a player and push him up to varsity to take playing time from a Senior when "that player" won't be in the program for the long haul?

[/quote]Who told you "the player" would not be in the program for the long haul ??? ???
[/quote]Maybe it's just a rumor.....you know those rumors can get started in a "flash"  ;)
[/quote] Flash? Now that's interesting.  Well...as u said...you know those rumors.
[/quote]"Flash" [color=blue]made the decision [/color] to play @ Hamshire. Thats all that matters ;)
[/quote]Made the decision for [b]this[/b] year......what about the future?
[/quote] "Flash" made the decision to attend his choice of schools.  ;)
Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name="speechless" post="915709" timestamp="1290370086"]
[quote]But circuit training on game day? Thats 30-45 minutes of extra gym time and skill development those kids could use. [/quote]

it aint basketball season in hf it is football offseason tried to tell yall that when they made the hire
[/quote]After the way HF has looked the last few years in football, I'm not sure I would make this claim..... ;)

Now that I've caught up to this part of the thread, I see your point.  That's incredible, demanding the kids to lift weights on game day.  Perhaps its part of the conditioning process?  Perhaps it will ease up when district rolls around.  If that's the case, it may not be a bad idea.

You never know what talent the kids truly have until they realize how deep they can draw on their reserves.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Regarding the Opening Post - Mama - has the coach expressed his plans for the freshman and JV stars?  I know Coach Sutherland agonized over whether to move Bosha up to Varsity.  He wasn't sure if Bosha would be ready for the increased speed of Varsity, but Kountze's speed and quickness was a good opening test for the kid.

I wouldn't assume that the rosters are automatically locked in for the full year.  Coaches may bring players up to go to tournaments or these holiday games and test the kids - that's what I would do if I was coaching and had a young prodigy.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name="FanintheStands" post="916427" timestamp="1290440110"]
Regarding the Opening Post - Mama - has the coach expressed his plans for the freshman and JV stars?  I know Coach Sutherland agonized over whether to move Bosha up to Varsity.  He wasn't sure if Bosha would be ready for the increased speed of Varsity, but Kountze's speed and quickness was a good opening test for the kid.

I wouldn't assume that the rosters are automatically locked in for the full year.  Coaches may bring players up to go to tournaments or these holiday games and test the kids - that's what I would do if I was coaching and had a young prodigy.
[/quote]So hard to stay out of this thread ;) :-X :-X  Okay, the crab (9th graders) would be your quickest player on the varsity...imma stop :-X
Link to comment
Share on other sites

The interesting thing about this post is that a freshman is not getting to play where their parents want them or feel they should play.  I wonder how much this or any parent that has this complaint truly loves their child.  I would think that any injustice and especially one as grave as not playing varsity for a team that when you combine their district wins it would take you 5 years to get to more than ten wins!!  MOVE and move now.  Yeah that makes too much sense and allows you to play the blame game.  Take your talents to other schools if it is a boy basketball player I think there is quite a few programs close by that win state so pick up and move.  Don't complain and open up threads like this be a person of action, that is of course if you want what is best for your child.  I think the person that opened this thread said do not bring academics into the conversation, so please do not give me any reason why you do not already have your house on the market and plan on renting in Silsbee or the HJ school district before district tips off.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name="bballgod" post="915977" timestamp="1290383848"]
I am sure that there are many things that the coach has to take into consideration.  First, he is looking out for what is best for the entire team.  Not just your son.  Second, what is going to be best for that player.  Playing limited minutes in a Varsity game or playing a lot of minutes in a JV game and going against the varsity in practice.  I am sure that Coach Richards has taken all of these things into consideration.  Man it is a little early for this.  Why do you think they are going to be that bad.  The only lost to Vidor by 12 and beat the crap out of Deweyville.  1-1 is not that bad.  Give the team some time to get going.

Also,  did you ever think it wasn't his idea to do circuit weights on game day.  Maybe the guy over the entire athletic program is dictating that.  He is called the athletic director.  Just a thought.
[/quote]Okay bballgod, the coach has taken many things into consideration, I agree. But what considerations? Let me give you a very clear picture of something. Being a bballgod, you should understand this: explain how middle school guards can [color=blue]consistently[/color] steal, trap, deny HF varsity guards in several scrimmages?  I repeat, [color=goldenrod]MIDDLE SCHOOL [/color] [color=blue]GUARDS, thats 7&8th graders! [/color]
This is not about one person. You're missing the point. A couple of those middle schoolers are in 9th grade now. More are coming. So as a coach you ignore what you have? Its about the future, putting a competitive team on the floor, winning-you know the word, right? I'm not paying a Booster Club for special privileges. It's just against my nature ;)

Playing a competitive schedule ("ahem"YMBL for example). Please don't insult my basketball experience and knowledge with a comment about a victory over a 2-A program like Deweyville. OOOPS!  :-X :-X
Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name="Choice" post="916494" timestamp="1290446570"]
The interesting thing about this post is that a freshman is not getting to play where their parents want them or feel they should play.  I wonder how much this or any parent that has this complaint truly loves their child.  I would think that any injustice and especially one as grave as not playing varsity for a team that when you combine their district wins it would take you 5 years to get to more than ten wins!!  MOVE and move now.  Yeah that makes too much sense and allows you to play the blame game.  Take your talents to other schools if it is a boy basketball player I think there is quite a few programs close by that win state so pick up and move.  Don't complain and open up threads like this be a person of action, that is of course if you want what is best for your child.  I think the person that opened this thread said do not bring academics into the conversation, so please do not give me any reason why you do not already have your house on the market and plan on renting in Silsbee or the HJ school district before district tips off.
[/quote]I do have property in PA....hmmm?
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Member Statistics

    45,977
    Total Members
    1,837
    Most Online
    cfbswami
    Newest Member
    cfbswami
    Joined



  • Posts

    • No offense, but both sides do it.  The Rs in Texas want to do away with decades of precedent and demand that Dems are no longer given chair positions on any committees in the Tx House. It sounds reasonable enough, until you arrive at a point when the Ds enjoy a single seat majority in the house, select the most leftist speaker of all times, and the refuse to give Rs any say in the legislative process by refusing to give them any committee chairs.     Experience has shown me that any time a party seeks to consolidate power in a legislative body, it backfires.    What I don’t like is a world where we cheer for Manchin for doing his own thing, but also re-elect guys like Paxton and Patrick when they make threats to R Legislators if they don’t do exactly what the Radical Right demands. Our Rep here in Hardin County lost his spot for voting against private school vouchers-his wife is a teacher. He also voted his conscience on the Paxton impeachment.  It cost him his seat…. Not because of the will of the voters in his district, but because if millions of outside dollars pumped into the race from outside the district and even an endorsement of his unknown challenger by Donald Trump himself.    Why do people like you applaud Manchin for being his own man and then vote against Phelan for doing the same thing?
    • We'll see. I don't trust us. 
    • Starting pitching has been shaky the last few weeks due to some injuries outside of Hagen Smith.  He goes tomorrow, so y’all should be fine 
    • Manchin may get it but any mention of the radical left that wanted to get rid of the filibuster and end almost 220 years of history because the Democrats are mad?  The House and Senate are obviously different legislative bodies with entirely different election processes and rules for a reason. The House can vote on laws with a simple majority vote. The Senate put rules in place that it would make it much tougher to pass laws. Laws should be difficult to pass. The Senate is often the holdup of the right and left. It takes 60 votes to break the filibuster so any law will almost certainly require agreement at least in part, from opposing sides of an issue. Because they can’t get laws passed, the radical left is like a baby having a tantrum and wants to change over 200 years of history and make it potentially ridiculously easy to pass laws. I have seen current poll maps and it is possible for the Republicans to sweep into complete power in November but by the tiniest margin. That would possibly mean that a single vote margin in both houses could enact what you might call the radical right laws. There would be nothing that the Democrats could do to stop any legislation whatsoever if the left (they are all radical, minus Manchin) got their filibuster rule changed.  That is where the current filibuster comes into play as any new law would require several Democrats to agree with the majority Republicans and vice versa.  Do you want the potential for your radical right to have free rein as the radical left wants by killing the filibuster or is the radical left just as (if not more) dangerous? Let’s see if we have a history in this area? Oh yeah, the Democrats changed the rules in the Senate to allow federal judges to not have to overcome the filibuster. Obama was not getting his federal judge nominations passed and being angry, they changed the rules instead of nominating more moderate justices. They were warned that it would come back to bite them. They didn’t care and chose the nuclear option to change the rules. Oops! Any guess how Trump got all of his Supreme Court nominees passed against strong Democrat opposition? The Democrats got rid of the filibuster for federal judges after another tantrum   So when you are so worried about the radical right, are you equally concerned in what the radical left is always doing by changing rules and history which were put into place just for situations like we are in? So while Manchin gets it, what about his other 50 colleagues (49 + Harris)?  What concerns you more, Abbott and Paxton or the Democrats who want to make it to where if the Republicans do take over, they can go wild… at least in your mind? 
  • Topics

×
×
  • Create New...