Drug Murder in Silsbee

[InMAGAWeTrust]

8 minutes ago, SmashMouth said:

I’m not disagreeing with you, but why do you say it’s “obviously” wrong? I’m not sure the statement is obviously right or wrong. 

How many people get murdered while buying a case of beer at HEB? 

 

[SmashMouth]

5 minutes ago, InMAGAWeTrust said:

How many people get murdered while buying a case of beer at HEB? 

 

My bad. I thought you were speaking of illicit drugs. 

[CardinalBacker]

5 hours ago, InMAGAWeTrust said:

How many people get murdered while buying a case of beer at HEB? 

 

Better question is if every single drug dealer is going to work at a dispensary… they’re just gonna move onto a new illegal enterprise. If we decriminalized murder, you’re right. Nobody would ever go to jail for murder. 
 

I guess the best question is why hasn’t crime dropped in the areas where marijuana has already been decriminalized?

[InMAGAWeTrust]

16 hours ago, CardinalBacker said:

Better question is if every single drug dealer is going to work at a dispensary… they’re just gonna move onto a new illegal enterprise. If we decriminalized murder, you’re right. Nobody would ever go to jail for murder. 
 

I know plenty of people who sold marijuana during my university years.. they never sold crack, starting pimping hoes, or did whatever crazy nonsense y’all talk about on here.. they’re all in relationships or married, have kids, work corporate jobs, etc etc.. a decade plus later
 

Y’all need to go outside and stop believing everything the media tells you 

[CardinalBacker]

2 hours ago, InMAGAWeTrust said:

I know plenty of people who sold marijuana during my university years.. they never sold crack, starting pimping hoes, or did whatever crazy nonsense y’all talk about on here.. they’re all in relationships or married, have kids, work corporate jobs, etc etc.. a decade plus later
 

Y’all need to go outside and stop believing everything the media tells you 

There are literally cartels with armies in Mexico, and you believe that all we need to do is decriminalize weed and all those bad guys will give up their silver  pointy toed boots, gold 1911s, and armor-clad SUVs and go to work at a taqueria.   Most of the people that I know in jail for drugs now are in for forging prescriptions or dealing meth. 

And you might be right about your friends... but every inmate that is in the pen for moving major weight got started selling a little weed.

[SmashMouth]

6 hours ago, CardinalBacker said:

And you might be right about your friends... but every inmate that is in the pen for moving major weight got started selling a little weed.

And most junkies didn’t start out shooting up heroin either. It’s a progression. 

[Derf Nosneb]

On 6/21/2021 at 10:25 AM, InMAGAWeTrust said:

Lmao come on man this is just ridiculous, expected more common sense from you 

 

edit - I suppose you’re coming from the POV of the murderer, which is fair. I was looking at it from buyer POV. If buyer can go buy from a store, then he doesn’t need to interact with these loser dealers. 

 

 

"If buyer can go buy from a store, then he doesn’t need to interact with these loser dealers."

As someone who pre-fauxdemic flew into Seattle 3 to 4 times a year, able to buy it from a store. It's still cheaper on the streets and currently most that is being sold is coming out of Colorado. Those thugs weren't drug dealers, just dumb azzes with money. 

If they were originally charged with a felony for the Marijuana it means they would have to have between 4 ounces and 5 lbs. Depending on quality, 28.3 grams goes for $200 to $300 so the deal was in excess of $1000 and four lives ruined.

[bullets13]

On 6/22/2021 at 8:47 PM, SmashMouth said:

And most junkies didn’t start out shooting up heroin either. It’s a progression. 

I do think that if those junkies didn’t have to buy from people who sold heroin, a lot of them may have never started.  

[SmashMouth]

5 hours ago, bullets13 said:

I do think that if those junkies didn’t have to buy from people who sold heroin, a lot of them may have never started.  

Of course, that’s completely speculative, isn’t it?

[bullets13]

On 6/24/2021 at 4:39 AM, SmashMouth said:

Of course, that’s completely speculative, isn’t it?

I would think it’s common sense.  I’m sure some would move onto harder things, though. 

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Hate to see an athlete we spent a lot of time talking about on here being wrapped up in this, but he’s definitely chosen his path. I’ve seen his name in arrest reports multiple times lately. 

[tvc184]

Not guilty for Murder. 
 

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Not guilty of murder, but 10 years for the marijuana.

Not knowing exactly what evidence they had at the trial, it looks like if you’re going to claim this was a drug deal gone bad and it was self-defense, you’ve pretty much got to admit to the drug deal.

[Eagle91]

On 6/14/2021 at 7:34 AM, bullets13 said:

This is an interesting case.  Three teens from groves ended up killing a teen from Silsbee during a drug deal gone bad.  I finally found an article (not the one posted, it was on fb) that stated what happened.  The three teens bought a felony amount of weed in Beaumont, then went to Silsbee to sell some to the victim.  Two teens (Bryce Pfeffer and Emily Ranols) sat in the backseat of the car, while the other seller (still unidentified) and the buyer (Jeremiah Grant) sat in the front.  During the transaction Grant shot the unidentified seller in the chest in an attempt to rob him, and was shot by Pfeffer after.  This sounds like self-defense, but that’s not a valid defense when you’re committing a felony, although I wouldn’t be surprised if it affects sentencing somewhat.  On a side note, there was a lot of speculation that the female was in the wrong place at the wrong time.  There was a lot of sympathy because she’s Pfeffer’s pregnant girlfriend, and people (myself included) thought she was probably in the wrong place at the wrong time.  According to the special Angel San Juan report I saw, she was armed with a gun as well, so she now gets no sympathy from me.  She was clearly heavily involved.  

I'm not certain where you get your information but it is off! First thing is the drug deal was set up in Silsbee. Jeremiah Grant, Bruce Newton, and Kyriq Wyatt. This was set up as a robbery by these 3 from Silsbee. Wyatt and Newton have been charged in this case and awaiting trial. Text messages showed these 3 set this robbery up. Luckily defense attorneys was able have phones checked and found out this was a setup. If not for good lawyer or police work, these 3 would be going to jail for murder. The 3 from Groves went to Silsbee to purchase the drugs. Grant sold the drugs to the driver Decuir. Once he had the money Grant pulled his gun on Decuir and demanded the weed back. When he didn't give it back, Grant pulled his gun and shot Decuir. He then turned his gun towards the back seat at Pfeffer and Pheffer shot him before Grant could shoot him. Emily wasn't pregnant nor has she ever owned a gun. Pheffer and Emily was at home asleep when Dequir called and asked Pheffer to ride with him to Silsbee and Emily went with her boyfriend. Where the group from groves made the mistake was hiding the weed and throwing Grant out of the front seat. Dequir was shot in the chest and was able to get out and help move Grant out onto the street. If they would have called the police right away, I don't believe Ranols or Pfeffer would have been charged with anything. That was clearly self defense and the jury felt that way too. Moving that body and drugs cost himself going to jail. Pfeffer more or less was found guilty of moving the body and drugs and having a gun during a drug deal. It seems like the other 2 that set this robbery up should have went to court at the time or before. Needless to say what in the hell was people going to Silsbee to buy drugs from someone they didn't know?

[Eagle91]

On 6/14/2021 at 7:34 AM, bullets13 said:

 

 

[bullets13]

1 hour ago, Eagle91 said:

I'm not certain where you get your information but it is off! First thing is the drug deal was set up in Silsbee. Jeremiah Grant, Bruce Newton, and Kyriq Wyatt. This was set up as a robbery by these 3 from Silsbee. Wyatt and Newton have been charged in this case and awaiting trial. Text messages showed these 3 set this robbery up. Luckily defense attorneys was able have phones checked and found out this was a setup. If not for good lawyer or police work, these 3 would be going to jail for murder. The 3 from Groves went to Silsbee to purchase the drugs. Grant sold the drugs to the driver Decuir. Once he had the money Grant pulled his gun on Decuir and demanded the weed back. When he didn't give it back, Grant pulled his gun and shot Decuir. He then turned his gun towards the back seat at Pfeffer and Pheffer shot him before Grant could shoot him. Emily wasn't pregnant nor has she ever owned a gun. Pheffer and Emily was at home asleep when Dequir called and asked Pheffer to ride with him to Silsbee and Emily went with her boyfriend. Where the group from groves made the mistake was hiding the weed and throwing Grant out of the front seat. Dequir was shot in the chest and was able to get out and help move Grant out onto the street. If they would have called the police right away, I don't believe Ranols or Pfeffer would have been charged with anything. That was clearly self defense and the jury felt that way too. Moving that body and drugs cost himself going to jail. Pfeffer more or less was found guilty of moving the body and drugs and having a gun during a drug deal. It seems like the other 2 that set this robbery up should have went to court at the time or before. Needless to say what in the hell was people going to Silsbee to buy drugs from someone they didn't know?

Not sure where I got the info from at the time, as the post you're quoting is from 5 years ago. I said i got it from an article, but obviously I don't remember where the article was from at this point.

[tvc184]

12 hours ago, Eagle91 said:

I'm not certain where you get your information but it is off! First thing is the drug deal was set up in Silsbee. Jeremiah Grant, Bruce Newton, and Kyriq Wyatt. This was set up as a robbery by these 3 from Silsbee. Wyatt and Newton have been charged in this case and awaiting trial. Text messages showed these 3 set this robbery up. Luckily defense attorneys was able have phones checked and found out this was a setup. If not for good lawyer or police work, these 3 would be going to jail for murder. The 3 from Groves went to Silsbee to purchase the drugs. Grant sold the drugs to the driver Decuir. Once he had the money Grant pulled his gun on Decuir and demanded the weed back. When he didn't give it back, Grant pulled his gun and shot Decuir. He then turned his gun towards the back seat at Pfeffer and Pheffer shot him before Grant could shoot him. Emily wasn't pregnant nor has she ever owned a gun. Pheffer and Emily was at home asleep when Dequir called and asked Pheffer to ride with him to Silsbee and Emily went with her boyfriend. Where the group from groves made the mistake was hiding the weed and throwing Grant out of the front seat. Dequir was shot in the chest and was able to get out and help move Grant out onto the street. If they would have called the police right away, I don't believe Ranols or Pfeffer would have been charged with anything. That was clearly self defense and the jury felt that way too. Moving that body and drugs cost himself going to jail. Pfeffer more or less was found guilty of moving the body and drugs and having a gun during a drug deal. It seems like the other 2 that set this robbery up should have went to court at the time or before. Needless to say what in the hell was people going to Silsbee to buy drugs from someone they didn't know?

Was it clearly self defense?

I thought from the outset that it would be an almost impossible case to prove but if it was so clear, why was he even charged?

The law was certainly on the side of the guy charged. 

[Eagle91]

8 hours ago, tvc184 said:

Was it clearly self defense?

I thought from the outset that it would be an almost impossible case to prove but if it was so clear, why was he even charged?

The law was certainly on the side of the guy charged. 

Several month's back in I believe September is when Newton and Wyatt was arrested. They had text messages showing those two and Grant had set up to rob the 3 from Groves when they went there to purchase drugs. If not for these phone records I'm sure charges wouldn't have been dropped. So if the Pheffer boy don't defend himself, it's very possible Grant shoots all 3 of them. They set up a robbery and got more than they bargained for. You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes! I mean Grant initially shot the driver and then he got shot, you tell me if it was self defense. They have text messages that clearly show that it was a drug deal set up for robbery. I doubt very seriously Grants two buddies wouldn't have been arrested on 1.5 million bonds if they didn't have strong evidence. I'm sure those two cases will be going to trial soon and more facts will come out. You hope these people involved will make life changes! Drugs and guns can get you killed or put in prison!

[tvc184]

5 hours ago, Eagle91 said:

Several month's back in I believe September is when Newton and Wyatt was arrested. They had text messages showing those two and Grant had set up to rob the 3 from Groves when they went there to purchase drugs. If not for these phone records I'm sure charges wouldn't have been dropped. So if the Pheffer boy don't defend himself, it's very possible Grant shoots all 3 of them. They set up a robbery and got more than they bargained for. You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes! I mean Grant initially shot the driver and then he got shot, you tell me if it was self defense. They have text messages that clearly show that it was a drug deal set up for robbery. I doubt very seriously Grants two buddies wouldn't have been arrested on 1.5 million bonds if they didn't have strong evidence. I'm sure those two cases will be going to trial soon and more facts will come out. You hope these people involved will make life changes! Drugs and guns can get you killed or put in prison!

First, by Texas law if you are committing a crime act, you generally don’t get self defense.

As an example…

A guy goes in to rob a store with a gun. He has no intention of using it but as he makes his demand for the money and then grabs it and runs. The clerk pulls his own gun as the robber tries to get away and is running out of the store. The clerk shots the robber who is clearly trying to get away.  The robber turns and shoots at the store clerk in “self defense” because the store clerk is shooting at him while he is just trying to get away. The store clerk dies. Self defense?

 No, it’s Capital Murder and death penalty eligible. The robber trying to flee was still in the act of committing a robbery by trying to escape with the money and the store clerk acted lawfully, whereas the robber did not. There is no self-defense in such a case.

 In this situation the accused went into a felony drug deal and brought a firearm. Was he an innocent and unwilling bystander or a person willingly participating in a felony (for which he was convicted) where he brought a gun anticipating possible violence? So even if he was defending himself, is it “clearly self defense” while participating in a potential violent felony? Let’s look at the actual law on self defense. 

 Here is the quoted applicable Texas Penal Code law on if self defense is lawful while committing a crime. A person person is justified in using self defense IF;

(C) was committing or attempting to commit aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, robbery, or aggravated robbery;

(2) did not provoke the person against whom the force was used; AND

(3) was not otherwise engaged in criminal activity, other than a Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance regulating traffic at the time the force was used.
 

Notice that it says “was not otherwise engaged in criminal activity, other than a Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance regulating traffic at the time the force was used”. He was most definitely engaged in criminal activity other that a traffic citation. 

Obviously the DA didn’t think it was clearly self defense. Read the quote from the law and tell me if self defense is available in Texas while voluntarily committing a felony.

With that being the law, I said that the it would be a tough case possibly by the defense attorney doing his/her job of trying to convince the jury to not go by the law that I posted. Oh well, the other guy was a bad guy so let my client go. It worked. That is the system. Notice that the same jury who was almost certainly given the law that I posted above and apparently found that he was “not engaged in a criminal activity” (other than a traffic citation), found that he was engaged in 4 felonies and gave him the maximum sentence. 

The accused is guaranteed the right to a public trial and a unanimous decision of proof beyond a reasonable doubt before conviction. A jury can be 90% sure that the crime was committed yet that is reasonable doubt. That doesn’t mean innocent. It means the jury didn’t feel that the DA proved the case. That again is the system.

So again, read the law that I quoted on self defense. It can be lawful IF stopping certain crimes against the person AND was not committing another crime… which the jury coincidentally found him guilty of 4 felonies.

I have no clue what was testified to in court, but I can reasonably believe that DA was looking at the same law that I posted.

 The jury said that he is not guilty so by law he is not guilty, hard stop. Clearly self defense??