Looking for thoughts and opinions

[col1324]

Would like some thoughts and opinions on this scenario.....OK.....you have 2 teams that play in the same district.  They are rivals but have mutual respect for each other(so we thought).  One team I'll call East High School and the other will be West High School.  During the course of the district play East noticed that West had a scout at every one of their games.  East thought no big deal. Both East and West make the playoffs with East making a deeper run.  East finally loses to a better team but finds out that West gave all of the information that they scouted on East(about 10 games) over to the opponent East played.  Now....I am NOT in any way saying that the information that West turned over to the other team was the reason East lost. East was beat by a better team on that day.  What are your thoughts about West turning over all of their scouting reports to the opponent of East?      

[AggiesAreWe]

Unless the head coach for the "West" team is family or great life long friends with coach on the team that beat the "East" team, I think that is pretty chicken crap. You should in most cases support your teams inside your district.

[texas13]

Its kind of a thing amongst coaches to tell other coaches about the team they are playing. Say someone was playing a team like hardin in kountzes district and they called coach franklin and asked for some info he would tell them a little about the team because the coach is gonna eventually find out what the other team has but in this case im not sure how close the coaches from the team are but I wouldnt venture out to say that the coach did it wanting east to lose

[AggiesAreWe]

Its kind of a thing amongst coaches to tell other coaches about the team they are playing. Say someone was playing a team like hardin in kountzes district and they called coach franklin and asked for some info he would tell them a little about the team because the coach is gonna eventually find out what the other team has but in this case im not sure how close the coaches from the team are but I wouldnt venture out to say that the coach did it wanting east to lose

 

I understand that point. But that info could have been asked for by a team that was recently defeated in 3 game series by said team.

 

Also, I believe the poster is stating that the team offered the info to the other team without being asked. ;)

[westend1]

Sounds like loser whining to me.  JMHO

[texas13]

Yeah but I dont feel as if he is telling the whole story aaw

[IT'S IN THE BONE]

Be supportive of your district in the front yard but if you are going to do the back yard Watusi, be desrcrete, on both sides

[Rake1]

No way this thread ends up good. Drama on the horizon.

Rake1

[bulldog16]

I take it that this happened last year?

[Gabe]

Question, is there solid proof it happened just as written?

[AthleticSupporter - Jock]

If this really happened, then that is pretty chicken.  As much as I want to beat our district teams during the season, when the playoffs start, you should support one another.  

[fox]

maybe the east coach was bitter about his past relationship with the west school when he coached there?

[bedelmon]

In my humble opinion, there is nothing wrong with it. Next year or the year after, your team may have to play someone in the same district as the person you helped and thats just what coaches do.... They help each other... I may have what you need now but you may have what I need next year or the year after that.... Happens everywhere....

 

[IT'S IN THE BONE]

But once again be desrcrete and who's the wiser, sounds to me it was advertised just to get under the other coaches skin so it was personal!

[AggiesAreWe]

Difference, if a coach calls and ask for some info, then I see that as okay. But if a coach goes out of his way to give info without even being contacted for that info, then that is chicken crap and makes it personal.

[chukslegacy]

Not good! voluntarily giving info out to another coach from another district is kind of questionable! what kind of relationship do these two coaches have towards each other! evidently not a good one!

[hitman009]

All districts should have a "trading of film" or 'scouting report' bylaws.  I want to say in 20-4A it is not allowed to trade with in/out of the district without district approval.

 

 If the coach has a problem with that they need to address their AD so he can bring it up at the district meeting.

[pickle]

i may be wrong but im guessing this is not a hypothetical question and since no one else will ask who are we talking about?  what schools?  which district?

[swampdude]

Happens every year.  I can remember a few years back when several coaches from a neighboring district offered their season's scouting info on their district rival we were playing several rounds into the playoffs.  Sure enough, this coach they disliked was a huge jerk to not only opponents but even his own players.  Coaching Karma, I suppose.

[MoFo]

A scouting report, no matter how precise, should not be enough to make or break a team. Most coaches in the playoffs worth their salt have already watched film and spoken to other coaches that have played their upcoming opponent. I would not have a problem with the "west" coach doing this.

[AshlyHasBeen]

Really isn't an issue. It's part of baseball. There are scouts at every football game as well. If a coach had a family member, a friend or just doesn't like a one school he'll give notes to another team in the playoffs. Same for baseball. Good teams overcome scouting reports. We changed signals every inning. Tendencies and our game plan changed from scouting reports we got on other teams. You could have the greatest detailed scouting report in the world.....it doesn't win the game. You still have to go out and execute. If a player tips his pitches that's generally picked up by players not coaches. We stole signs ALL the time and discussed a pitcher after every bat. Heck we still do in old man baseball! When I played for PNG if I found out Nederland or LCM gave notes to our playoff opponent I wouldn't care nor would I be shocked.

[Peppermint Patty]

Teams that adapt to their environment are the most successful. This is true from the coach down to the player (yes, mom and dad, jr. is expected to make game time adjustments.) What irks me the most is watching a player not do what his/her coaches are telling them and the parents steadily yelling at the coach to make adjustments.

 

If you are predictiable, even the granparents in the stands can figure out what you are doing.

[Baba Ganoush]

My opinion...
Of all team sports, scouting reports for baseball are waste of time and energy. It's like cards, you play the odds of best pitch count to steal or "expect" a certain pitch. Signs can be picked up, but the batter has to hit the damn thing. As a player, I never wanted to "know" the pitch. Pick up the ball and react. What can a report tell you? The left fielder cheats over 3 steps and up 4 with runners on second and third and less than 2 outs?! Use the time to have a team take extra swings, situations, tendencies. Which in baseball, should be constant. A baseball manager is babysitter. The players must execute in the moment. I could go on, but that is my opinion on scouting in baseball.

[AshlyHasBeen]

Baseball scouting reports are primarily based on pitching.

[AggiesAreWe]

I don't think anyone is arguing that it cost the "East" team the win. I think the issue is the principle of a fellow district team initiating the contact and offering the film and scouting reports to it's district team's opponent.