hitman009

I REALLY don't want this to get out of hand... all treads on this have been locked. I don't want any wise cracks at the parents, kids, or present/former staff.  I graduated from HJ in early 90's, when I all programs were good... I don't live in the area anymore and I am very interested on what is going in my former area...Once a HAWK always a HAWK..  I would love to hear what the "word on the street" is... What have you heard??? when will they make a move??? What you got?? Here is what I have heard... please correct me if you heard different..... Last I heard is they might offer Sutherland the AD/Job.. I believe he was promised the job before he signed BACK on at HJ... I love the man, but IMO...... I just don't know if he wants it or if it is best for ALL programs... An AD has lots to deal with instead of just concentrating on just basketball.. I could see more than one parent from the football program complaining that the "athletic kids" are "pushed to play basketball only"... Its already happening(people saying the athletic kids only play basketball) and he is not the AD.... I know Sutherland... He was my former coach in football and basketball... I KNOW he would not do that.. but... I really believe the WHOLE athletic program would do better if they hired a football AD... Someone that is new.. not a current head coach just wanting to settle, because really that is what you are going to get right now... Someone REALLY hungry....someone wanting to make ALL programs better... not just basketball and golf.... someone ready to bring in coaches and shake things up.. these are usually 4A, 5A Offense/Defense coordinators.. Someone that is not afraid to step on some toes.. again JMO SO.... Please no wise cracks... I just what to know what have you heard... What is your opinion(no parent/kid cracks) on the future success of the HJ Athletic Program!!  I would love to hear what you think but in a educated manor... Go Hawks!!

Tyler Davenport, Crosby 1

[quote name="Farmer Fran" post="1368815" timestamp="1359728843"] This is a rumor from the old coach site. Has anyone from HJ heard this? Rumor is, they are making the Basketball Coach the AD and promoting from within. [/quote]I would not be doubt it.. When I played there the girls bb coach was the AD.... I believe coach sutherland was promised the job before he got there.  also the superintendent is a former basketball player on the 91 state team  If they hire from out side do you think The OC from Dayton would apply... He is from HJ

[quote name="ace2335" post="1364603" timestamp="1358473203"] So I guess the only team that even get close to meeting that profile would be WOS in the Golden T. NO ONE ELSE. An their a smaller school around then most. [/quote]Do you hear about anyone complaining about coaching in WOS??  I don't!! Coach Thompson is a great coach but if you put him in lets say Lumberton, would he be as successful as WOS.. My guess is not baised on tallent.  nothing against the kids in Lumberton, they just dont have as much tallent as the rest. Now as you drop levels you dont need as many D1, D2 and juco to win based on tallent at the level.. WOS has a bunch for a 3A... Just seems to me everyone is saying "Coaching" is the problem... but you cant be successful team if your QB cant even throw a screen.  It takes BOTH to win..

[quote name="usedtobe" post="1363685" timestamp="1358275816"] [quote author=hitman009 link=topic=108211.msg1363672#msg1363672 date=1358274296] [quote author=5gallonbucket link=topic=108211.msg1363357#msg1363357 date=1358178317] Why does beaumont with the athletes they have that go div 1, div 2, juco aren't consistent winners in district races? [/quote] can you give me a number of D1, D2 and Juco kids that will sign this year from each school? [/quote] Man, if you want to know all that info get off your duff and look it up.  Each school?  What, each school in the state of Texas?  I really miss any point that you are trying to make in your request. [/quote]I have tried looking it up and cant find it otherwise I would just give you the facts.   My point is if EACH school in BISD  is getting like 4-7 D1, D2, or Juco a year then you have a justification for complaint of Coaches and success aginst other schools that have less tallent.  If you are getting like 1-3 a year then really you dont have a complaint about coaches. You just dont have the players and are playing other schools like Dawson, Brenham, North Shore that have 4-7 going to the next level.  I know there has been some big time players come out of BISD but one player does not make a TEAM!!!  You need 22 starting, 4-9 big talent and the rest good enough to do their job.... I dont know the facts of how many each school has each year, but I can guess that it is not as many as yall think.. I would suggest quit tring to set brush fires and the district will benifit!!

[quote name="5gallonbucket" post="1363357" timestamp="1358178317"] Why does beaumont with the athletes they have that go div 1, div 2, juco aren't consistent winners in district races? [/quote] can you give me a number of D1, D2 and Juco kids that will sign this year from each school? 

[quote name="bobbymcgee" post="1362296" timestamp="1357781425"] What makes you think Central will get someone better? Saveat has made some awful hires Most recently he brought in a guy who 4A Crosby no longer wanted to coach 5A West Brook and he took a perfectly good football program that had made the playoffs seven years in a row and turned it into a doormat. Saveat has hired is nephew as Ozen basketball coach and Robert Lee as Central basketball coach both of which squander talented teams year in and year out by their inability to coach. He hired John Clayton at Ozen and Jackson at Central. He allowed Stump and Stowers to get away all though those were probably beyond his control. Letting Washington go was the right move but they also should have done the same with the man who gave him an extra year. [/quote]Flannigan was a great hire.. Crosby wanted him.. 7 strait playoff appearances... in fact they had a emergency board meeting which people lined up outside to voice there opinion.  Several board members lost there spots because of their disregard of what the community wanted in the last election .... It was the barrett area, really one board member(same one who made Flanigan cancel with Vidor) , that did not want him... the politics here are bad, just like many areas.. I know you think your Bruins were the best before he got there but the fact is Stump left for a reason..... his program was going down.. Talent pool not there.. in fact he had like 30 something freshman players in his program his last year at a 5A school. Now West Brook had a little over 90.  and how did Stump do where he went...3-5 in district..  They both will do fine just hard to change a program to your coaching philosophy Sorry to go off  just think it is classless to take a shot at a coach that does not deserve it Back to the subject.. IMO I am sure there will be many great coaches that will apply for the job.. but I am sure politics will play role in who is hired.. Beaumont has a history of that. .

I don’t know why yall are still arguing who is better... ya'll are both Georgetown's bitc#*$... heck everyone they played has so don't feel bad... Playoff's are all about matchups...  If Nederland would have played GT in second round they would have be out to... real embarrassing arguing who should be 2nd, 3rd, or 10th place... Congrats to both teams on a succesful season..

Congrats to all the kids that made all-district.  It was a very tough district with lots of players to choose from. As for this bickering I see on almost every thread on who is better, (SC) or (Ned). Far as I am concerned we all should be rooting for ANY team in SE Texas that is still in… it makes all of us look better… Successful Playoffs are built on Matchups.  You can have a good team get knocked out the first round that could have made it deep.. ex… Vidor… The only way this can be settled is for Nederland to beat Georgetown.  Otherwise, ya’ll are BOTH Georgetown’s puncks… That being said good luck to Nederland… Now go out and represent SE Texas well

[quote name="Mr. Buddy Garrity" post="1347075" timestamp="1354402289"] welp, Kyle Field it is. who yall got in this one? [/quote]Is it set for kyle field or college station high school?? I think this is a bad spot to play for nederland.  Georgetown has played in college station the last two weeks.  I would think they would push for san antone, katy, sam houston..... anything except college station.

[quote name="Cougtalk" post="1341774" timestamp="1353812484"] Obviously we have the Twins coming back Key defensive players coming back. Kyle Williams, Chase Nix. All but one on the Oline will be back. That's a positive. Lots of seniors gone but the sophomore class is really good this year, and should make-up for losses. Hopefully a second year in the system means smoother play next year. [/quote]Crosby will return 8 starters on the Off and 7 on the Def side. The Jr. class is what will really make a difference next year. OFF side: The Walters - enough said Singleton and Lee (WR) - they can catch and run All the O line except one DEF side: Nix, Foley, Leal (LB) each one is fast and can strike Williams and Weishampel (Saftey) can read and attack fast Eagens (Corner) can defend the pass their are some SO and Fr. that could make an impact next year. Going to be a fun off season.. cant wait till next year!!!

Tyler Davenport -Crosby -  LP - signs with Texas State... Good Job Tyler

I am done talking about this... it is making me sick to my stomach... To Flanigan, staff and kids: stay strong brother, keep fighting the good fight and keep your noise to the grindstone.  I know next year will be better.  The Bruins will be back!!!

[quote name="82 5A State Champs" post="1329774" timestamp="1352859462"] [quote author=82 5A State Champs link=topic=106076.msg1329031#msg1329031 date=1352818497] Flanagan was successfull in doing something no other WB head coach has ever done, in the schools history. He started his first season with a losing record. Durley went 11-4-1, and won a state title, in his first year. Leo Nolan won 8 games in his first season, as well as Jerry Henschel. Al Rabb was 11-3, and lost in the quarterfinals, in his first year. Stump won 8 games, in a hurricane shortened 2005 season, but advanced to the 3rd round of the playoffs, before bowing out. Going 4-6, in your first year, is definitely not what we have come to expect. Our expectation are, and have always been higher. We wont accept too many seasons like this one. [b]You better get things together, and put a much improved team on the field next year, Coach Flanagan, or you will be shortest tenured coach in WB's history![/b] [/quote]Again, at any point did I bash this coach? I don't think so. I was simply comparing the first year under a new HC, to previous HC's. Don't mistake my passion for my school as being hateful towards a person, or coach. Not my intent. Just simply saying that if something doesn't turn around, in a year or two, he may be coaching somewhere else. Maybe I'm wrong for expecting too much. [/quote]You better get things together, and put a much improved team on the field next year, Coach Flanagan, or you will be shortest tenured coach in WB's history! sounds like a threat to me.... lets see if I can find some other posts of yours that shows your negativity.. " Congratulations on a fine, first season Coach. You have successfully done what no other coach in WB history has done....finished his first season with an embarrassing losing record" "WB couldn't beat its way out of a wet paper sack. This is embarrassing, and unacceptable Nice, but ugly win. It's a shame.....no playoffs for WB, this year. First time since 2004, for the Bruins. Thank the Lord this debacle of a season is over!" One thing you are forgetting about the other coaches you mentioned in your post, Durley, Leo Nolan, Jerry Henschel and Al Rabb.  They did not have Ozen pulling some of their athletic kids to another school. That has made a impact on WB football. I for one am proud of Flanigan for doing as well as he did in his first season. 3 returing starters, new QB with new system.  that is tough on any program to be sucessful.  I know some of the coaches that left WB last year and they all said the same thing..... Talent is not there for a while.. the next batch of tallent is in their freshman core.. this statement is coming from your EX coaches....  It was one of the main reasons why they left... as for you jumping back on the "band wagon",  you as a "true Bruin" should have never got off!!!! As for difference in 3A, 4A and 5A.... football is footbal.,  its tackling, blocking, passing and catching...  Alverez has proved that... went from 2A to 4A and is successful....  there is almost as many D1 kids in 4A as 5A.

[quote name="82 5A State Champs" post="1329477" timestamp="1352841047"] [quote author=HIGHpoint96 link=topic=106076.msg1329130#msg1329130 date=1352826387] Well i tried to look it up and it said stump was the coach in 2004, if thats wrong then my bad. I just hate when people try to sit backand act like they know football because they have ESPN and make comments as if coaches will start trying harder because you called them out on this board. Stump was a phenominal coach, and the Bruins were 5-5 last year and lost a kid that went to UT and some other small D2/D3 and JUCO college players. This year they went 4-6, you say that is not what you are used to in a 1st year, [b]but you just went 5-5 in Coach stumps[/b] 7th year and he did an amazing job. He probably left for a reason. It's an extremely tough district and in a years time the bruins will most likely be better than they are now. [/quote]Just another bit of information that is wrong, from you. WB did not go 5-5, last year, [b]they were 6-4,[/b] in the regular season, and lost to Deer Park 31-30, in the Bi-District round. DO NOT try to squabble with me about stats, and the history of WB football. While there are folks on this board that I don't always see eye to eye with, most will tell you I know what I'm talking about. And yes, Stump's first year was 2005. You, and MAX Preps, are both wrong. 2004 was Al Rabb's last year, where yes, they finished 2-8. For the record, this is not Stump's team. This is Flanagan's team. [b]There were only 3 returning starters from last year's squad[/b]. And we are not happy with 4-6. We DO expect better of our team. You, should do a better job of checking stats before you get on here and call people out that have been here a LOOOOng time....through thick and thin! [/quote]You sir should be ashamed of yourself.  You call yourself a supporter of WB yet all you do is verbally elaborate nothing but negativity. Think of the impression you are leaving your community about your towns athletic program. How can any coach feel welcome. I would think a "Donating Moderator Senior" would not come on a site and bash a coach of good integrity...  Especially knowing the facts which you yourself stated. "only 3 returning starters" "6-4 record of last year".  I don't know the JV's record last year but I am willing to bet they were not dominate.  So look at the facts, Flanigan took over a program that was 1 loss from being .500 and then you graduated 18 starters that were 6-5 and tried to win teaching 18 starters a new system.  That is tough for any coach.  I can name many coaches in the area that are considered great coaches but had trouble their first year at a new school.  Look at Jack Alverez. 4-6 first year at Ennis,  9-2 this year.  Flanigan did the same at Orangefield and Crosby.  Flanigan is a outstanding coach which has turned teams around.  Give the man time and TRY to be supportive of your teams coach.  You WILL be surprised of the attitudes and success your school will have.

Crosby just put up a new score board and big screen... was fully operational last week... there are some plans in the making that would make the vistors side bigger with press box(would be the home side) and leaving the present home side the visitors side.. also puting parking where the baseball fields are now and buliding a baseball/softball complex....and a  new high school behind walmart... all depends on bond in may..

[quote name="PirateGirl4ever" post="1321469" timestamp="1352213151"] [quote author=COOG8BRONCO link=topic=105710.msg1321083#msg1321083 date=1352154856] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=105710.msg1321061#msg1321061 date=1352153635] [quote author=BellBiz30 link=topic=105710.msg1321058#msg1321058 date=1352153317] It wont happen 19-4a has a better chance beating both teams than 20-4a does, it might come down to 1 and 1 , but I dont see it being both games for 20-4a. [/quote] how does 19-4A have a better chance of beating 20-4A in D1? What facts are you basing your statement on? [/quote]That Vidor has won two playoff games since they fired those shots on the grassy knoll. I guess since y'all are new to the playoffs you don't realize you don't get to make it out of the first round every year. Your coach went 8-2 and they gave him the coach of the year award, that should let you know what people think of your program. Like y'all like to say when someone brings up the past, "this is a new year." So I'll see your "we beat y'all last year" and raise you "win another one this year". Three years from now after you still have those same two playoff wins since the LBJ era, you'll still be saying "at least we beat Crosby three years ago". Hey though, if I was the laughing stock of the region for a half century I would just get in where I fit in too. [/quote] Who peed in your Cheerios this morning?? Oh, wait, apparently the Pirates have every morning since last year! Seems like you have a little bitterness built up still..... [/quote]WOW... Vidor has two playoff wins in 47  years and they are all high and mighty... they are like that D lineman that picked up a fumble and scored a TD... Never lets go of that moment and tries to make everyone remember it... good luck this year.. maybe yall can make another one of those 1964 runs again... my guess it will take another 47 years...

Final???

[quote name="Cougtalk" post="1312103" timestamp="1351356236"] WOSGrad needs to change the standing the cougars are ahead of the BH eagles in District 19-4a both have 2 losses but Crosby Beat BH meaning as of right now we are ahead. The only scenario in which Crosby Doesn't get the 3 seed and wins out is. BH beating SC and Dayton Beating SC leaving 3 teams with 2 district losses meaning itwould come down to a tie breaker between the three schools. most likely SC would win the tiebreaker with the huge numbers they put on Crosby, once that tie is broke the Cougars would more than likely (unless SC gets blown out by BH) still remain the 3rd team in district because once three way is broken it's head to head again. which crosby won vs BH. so Bh would have to beat SC by 29 Points and then have Dayton beat them as well. which would make them second in district. and SC third and Crosby 4th. This is the only sceario in which Crosby wins out and loses 3rd place. Most likely you'll have a 0 loss team a 1 loss team a 2 loss team (crosby) and a 3 loss team (BH) [/quote]that is not how it works...There is a D1 state playoff and D2 state playoff in each classification(5A, 4A, 3A, etc.).....out of the 4 teams that make playoffs  in 19-4A, they take a 2-D1 and 2-D2... this is determined by enrollment numbers not how you finish in district.. the numbers are on this web site in district standing....there is no 3 seed.... only 1 & 2 seeds in each division.. so you could have two 4A state champs in the same division. Ex. Dayton 4A D1 state champs and Crosby 4A D2 state champs. if what you are saying did happen.... 3 way tie for 2nd then a tie is rewarded....just means everyone of those finish 2nd.. ex. if BH beats SC and SC beats Dayton... then Dayton(7-1) and SC(7-1) are both co district champs with SC getting the one seed and Dayton getting 2 seed(head to head wins seeding if they have the highest 2 enrollments of the 4 teams in playoffs). now if there is a tie that will determine who will go to playoffs then it goes to head to head... if 3 way tie, head to head first, then points are the factor to see who goes... Here is what can happen as of today(I believe Humble plays tonight): Dayton in SC in Crosby = not in yet. they have to win 1 more or a Humble loss BH- not in yet. they have to win 1 more or a humble loss KP - has to win last game and hope Humble does not lose Humble - has to win out and win big to cover points CE king out Porter out NC out SC and Dayton are in.... they are the D1 schools unless KP gets in... who ever wins the last game will be the 1 seed and loser be 2 seed.. Playoffs for D2 are not final yet.. If Humble loses one more game it make Crosby and BH D2. A Humble loss will eliminate KP as well... they could have a tie with Crosby and BH.. but they lost to both so they would be out. If crosby wins out they will get the 1 seed D2... period.... that would make the playoff teams Crosby (D2 1 seed) BH (D2 2 seed) crosby has the head to head against BH even if they beat SC.. Dayton (D1) SC (D1) . I hope I explained it well.... kinda hard to understand I guess... just know if Humble loses 1 more game: Dayton/SC D1 - seeding based on last game Crosby/BH D2 .

broncos score a td with 124 left in game. 13-6

[quote name="SummerCreek it is!" post="1310630" timestamp="1351287625"] [quote author=Cougtalk link=topic=105218.msg1310548#msg1310548 date=1351281416] [quote author=bronco pride link=topic=105218.msg1310536#msg1310536 date=1351280999] A win is a win. Also my buddy said that kp played with a different qb. Maybe that helped kp some. [/quote] kid was good. [/quote] Naw, he wasn't better than QB that couldn't play, Jaylon henderson....KP lost because he didn't play [/quote]I would never say that.. that is a terrible thing to say.. put a loss on a kid... he may have given them a better chance of winning... but that would be a different game. the butterfly effect... different play calling, different results, etc....

[quote name="hitman009" post="1310614" timestamp="1351286482"] [quote author=Cougtalk link=topic=105242.msg1310528#msg1310528 date=1351280707] If i'm not mistaken as of last night humble was eliminated from the playoffs due to BH and Crosby having 4 wins. [/quote]if humble wins out(4-4) and crosby losses out (4-4) and kindwood park wins their next game (4-4) then their is a 3 way tie for 4th all having beat each other... and then go to points so tech Crosby has not clinched but if humble loses another game then they will. [/quote]and if humble loses another game it eliminates KP.  Even if Crosby loses the next 2 (4-4) and KP wins last game (4-4). crosby has head to head against KP... or BH loses last 3 (4-4) BH has head to head against KP...

[quote name="Cougtalk" post="1310528" timestamp="1351280707"] If i'm not mistaken as of last night humble was eliminated from the playoffs due to BH and Crosby having 4 wins. [/quote]if humble wins out(4-4) and crosby losses out (4-4) and kindwood park wins their next game (4-4) then their is a 3 way tie for 4th all having beat each other... and then go to points so tech Crosby has not clinched but if humble loses another game then they will. 

[quote name="SCDAWGS" post="1310549" timestamp="1351281435"] [quote author=Cougtalk link=topic=105218.msg1310526#msg1310526 date=1351280624] [quote author=SCDAWGS link=topic=105218.msg1310476#msg1310476 date=1351276739] Lets keep it real.. Crosby was in trouble last night. If it weren't for the three missed field goals KP more than likely wins the game. [/quote] how bout the TD that the refs gave them in the 3rd Quarter? Or the 4 Timeouts? Kp's kicker missed 3 fieldgoals, yet 2 of those where handed to KP by crosby punt team. and one was a good interception. I think that kid at 20 is a ball player, he's extremely athletic and had good chemistry with number 4 at times they where throwing to spots and both people where making a play. The honest truth is nothing could have gone worse for the Cougars in the First half and a win is a win is a win is a win. [/quote] if you're refering to the pass in the corner of the endzone that was a TD. I will have to agree with you on the time outs lol.....Nice call by the coach to ice kicker at end of game also. Time out was called just in time and the kick was good. However you are correct, a win is a win in the books. I've yet to see a column for ugly wins lol. [/quote]I would have to say the worst game called that I have ever seen.... I HAVE SEEN THE VIDEO and it was NOT a catch... it hit his hands and popped up by his face mask as he was going out of bounds then regained the catch out of bounds... led to 7 points on 3rd down. that was not the only missed call.. the punt clearly hits a full yard in front of the receiver and bounces back to a KP defender. . this should have gave the coogs the ball on the 50 yd line... yet gave to KP led to another TD for KP.. Crosby QB fumble in the red zone shows his knee down before the ball comes out....also on the first scoring drive by KP there was a fumble which the refs blew dead... not even close the QB was still going forward and standing when the ball popped out... Coogs recover... again... not making this up... I have seen the video.. So 21 of 21 of their points were off missed calls by the refs... Also at half 3 penalty on KP -10 on the coogs ... very one sided... I would never blame the refs for a loss.. but they were VERY bad.... I am glad the kids had the strength to overcome the adversity last night. good job coogs!!

[quote name="Dazed and confused" post="1308618" timestamp="1351094107"] What happened? [/quote]heard he got in trouble in school.... something about grades and code of ethics... heard parents wanted to keep him out of sports, but coach convinced the parents to keep him in.  Which is good for the kid... just has to sit out the rest of the year..