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[quote name="PoppaBearstarr" post="1169438" timestamp="1328075560"] Shaun was in the same boat.. Picking up his fourth in the third... They didn't start him or bill in the fourth... [/quote] Yeah and unfortunately we could never get his fifth but I did see him play less aggresive as well.

[quote name="PoppaBearstarr" post="1169433" timestamp="1328075166"] [quote author=ST413 link=topic=95160.msg1169407#msg1169407 date=1328073312] Another great game by these two teams.  I do beleive the two teams are a lot more equal than most thought before district.  Very proud of my Tigers tonight.  They battled foul trouble throughout the second half.  To have Gaines pick up his fourth early in the third and then have one of our top scorers in Holmes foul out early in the fourth as well as our starting big man,  and hang in there with a chance to win right up until the end.  Great game guys and congrats HJ on a hard fought victory. [/quote] They are closer to each other than I believed even after the first game..Silsbee is very fast.... You do a very good job at denying the post pass...great game by both teams and I believe that we just keep making each other better... [/quote] Definately,  I remember your partner reference to how bad the free throws were in Silsbee.  I don't know that he ever said that it shouldn't have been close if that percentage was where it should have been but that was the idea left in my head.  Well tonight that percentage was there and even much higher than could be expected in the second half and even with all our foul trouble, we were right there with a chance to win within a minute or so left. Two fairly even teams in my eyes.

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1169431" timestamp="1328074866"] Silsbee had 4 players foul out (Dobbins, Holmes, Reed and Jackson), 2 starters, first two reserves. Dobbins fouled at the beginning of 4th, Holmes fouled out at 5:33 mark of 4th, Reed at the 3 minute mark 4th. With Silsbee's leading scorer (Holmes) and the only two post players the Tigers have (Dobbins and Reed), Silsbee was really hamstrung that 4th quarter. Also, Gaines had to play the entire 4th Q with 4 fouls after picking up his 4th early in the 3rd. Hawks took full advantage of the short handed Tigers. Officiating was very fair. No issues what so ever. Very good job. Hawks earned this victory by making their last 10 free throw attempts and going 16/18 from the line in the 2nd half. [/quote] Yeah Kelton had to step out of the way on a few easy buckets for the Hawks in the fourth,  may not have been able to stop them anyway but couldn't contest them.

[quote name="PoppaBearstarr" post="1169429" timestamp="1328074745"] For point of reference several sweet mid range jumpers in this game but a immediate timeout after the dunk... Help me out DV... Lit the whole place on fire... [/quote] [quote author=PoppaBearstarr link=topic=95160.msg1169429#msg1169429 date=1328074745] For point of reference several sweet mid range jumpers in this game but a immediate timeout after the dunk... Help me out DV... Lit the whole place on fire... [/quote] Definitely lit the place on fire,  even saw one ref motioning to his ears and mouthing wow during the timeout.  Not so sure that the time out was called because of that or just the fact of the turnover and score with that little time remaining.  Unfortunately there was too little time for that 35-6 run that was supposed to come after it.

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="1169414" timestamp="1328074150"] Gates open at 4:20, and doors were locked at 4:49.  I would estimate that HJ had a crowd advantage of 65-35%.  But the crowd's were very well behaved tonight with only[b] one person being escorted out of the gym tonight by the law[/b].  Kudos to the HJ Admin, SLPD and Hardin County Sheriff's Dept for running things smoothly. [/quote] Missed that..

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1169415" timestamp="1328074247"] Silsbee was 3/22 14% from 3 point range. [/quote] Definitely have to do better than that...

[quote name="FanintheStands" post="1169411" timestamp="1328073795"] [quote author=ST413 link=topic=95160.msg1169409#msg1169409 date=1328073623] Tonight the difference overall in my eyes came down to the better free throw shooting by the  Hawks and poorer 3 pt shooting by the Tigers.  With our size, in these type of games,  we have shoot better than 3 for 18(if that was the correct numbers). [/quote]That was definitely the difference.... well that, and the lack of a 82-0 3rd quarter blitz!  Silsbee got their share of turnovers, but certainly not the tidal wave they rode last time! [/quote] Foul trouble definitely prevented that all out defense.  Tight calls and too many key players in foul trouble.  We will have to adjust to those calls better and stay out of that problem in the playoffs.  Not an excuse as they were called both ways sure I saw calls I thought were missed but I saw them on both ends.

Tonight the difference overall in my eyes came down to the better free throw shooting by the  Hawks and poorer 3 pt shooting by the Tigers.  With our size, in these type of games,  we have shoot better than 3 for 18(if that was the correct numbers).

Another great game by these two teams.  I do beleive the two teams are a lot more equal than most thought before district.  Very proud of my Tigers tonight.  They battled foul trouble throughout the second half.  To have Gaines pick up his fourth early in the third and then have one of our top scorers in Holmes foul out early in the fourth as well as our starting big man,  and hang in there with a chance to win right up until the end.  Great game guys and congrats HJ on a hard fought victory.

[quote name="Tebowing" post="1168780" timestamp="1328049571"] Not to Capacity yet, but i will say this, its 9 Hawks to every 1 Tiger in here...lol [/quote] Not to capacity before I made my post they announced the doors were locked!

4:45 and the doors are locked!

Baytown Sterling @ [b]West Brook (-8)[/b] [b](-13) North Shore[/b] @ PAM (-5) Crosby @ [b]CE King[/b] [b](-10) Dayton[/b] @ Baytown Lee [b](-6) Central [/b] @ LCM (-22) Ozen @ [b]Vidor[/b] Lumberton @ [b]PNG (-8)[/b] [b](-15) Nederland[/b] @ Livingston Pollock Central @ [b]Jasper (-11)[/b] [b](-7) Hamshire-Fannett[/b] @ Orangefield [b]Silsbee[/b] @ Hardin-Jefferson (-4) [b](-29) WOS[/b] @ Bridge City Shepherd @ [b]Huffman (-7)[/b] Splendora @ [b]Coldspring (-13)[/b] Deweyville @ [b]East Chambers (-28)[/b] [b](-34) Kountze [/b] @ Anahuac Warren @ [b]Hardin (-4)[/b] Hull-Daisetta @ [b]Evadale (-17)[/b] West Hardin @ [b]Big Sandy (-13)[/b] [b]Spurger[/b] @ Goodrich (-22)

Getting further in the playoffs involves a lot.  Luck of the draw may play a big part this year with all the good teams in region 3. The Hawks size has them built to go further.  The Tigers will have to play their best every night or their size may be the deciding factor.

I know Stafford has flip flopped regions the last couple realignments.  Is there any chance this Houston schools distict  would end up in that other region?

He always has a lot to say.....

Baytown Sterling vs. [b]PAM (-11)[/b] La Porte vs. [b]West Brook (-5)[/b] Baytown Lee vs. [b]Barbers Hill (-6)[/b] [b](-4) Dayton [/b] vs. Galena Park [b](-8) Central[/b] vs. Livingston LCM vs. [b]Ozen (-6)[/b] PNG vs. [b]Nederland (-18)[/b] [b]Vidor[/b] vs. Lumberton (-9) (-6) Jasper vs. [b]Lufkin Hudson[/b] Bridge City vs. [b]Silsbee (-33)[/b] [b](-19) Hardin-Jefferson[/b] vs. Hamshire-Fannett Orangefield vs. [b]WOS (-14)[/b] [b](-21) Coldspring[/b] vs. Shepherd (-4) Huffman vs. [b]Tarkington[/b] Splendora vs. [b]Cleveland (-4)[/b] Anahuac vs. [b]Warren (-5)[/b] [b](-17) Buna[/b] vs. Deweyville [b]East Chambers[/b] vs. Kountze (-14) (-16) Evadale vs. [b]West Hardin[/b] Zavalla vs. [b]West Sabine (-16)[/b]

A compromise would have been best.

stronger maybe so but would have been a tough sell to the TJ community probably would have caused a little tension.

That may have been good on the basketball side but they couldn't have turned their backs on TJ' s football past.  Not near as evident as Lincoln bball but still a big part of that community.

Hence, built in pride and a desire to be good enough to play on that team.

It was asked what is the difference between PA Memorial, Silsbee, HJ, and Yates. One thought that I didn't mention is school pride.  Silsbee and HJ have had success on the court for years and their alummni and towns take pride in that.  That is passed on to their children.  Some of the success stems from that pride and wanting to continue the success.  Lincoln and Hebert had built that in their programs.  Ozen started off at a level comparable to Hebert and quickly gained some of that pride.  Memorial didn't start off as strong and lost some of that from the start. 

Congratulations on a great win HF.  What was the difference in the first half and the second?

Throw Yates out of the equation, they end up getting too many "move ins",  and I don't think there is much of a difference in these communities that you didn't hit on.  Especially in the type of community and type of kids.  To me that boils down to the parents and how they push, although that word could be taken as too strong, their kids.  Sour Lake and Silsbee are small rural communities where a lot of parents take on those values and get their kids more involved in little dribblers etc.  Some of these larger communities seem to kind of push all that aside and let kids do whatever the other kids are doing.  Big cities aree always going to have some talent and a school such as Yates always seems to end up with a lot of it.  You let some of those who would be the talented, in some of these smaller communities, slip through the cracks and you don't have many to replace them with.

I think what has happened to PA basketball is the same thing that has happened elsewhere.  It starts with discipline. Which starts at home. Kids today in general aren't the same as they were 15 or 20 years ago for many reasons.  A lot of which is because parenting today isn't the same as it was back then. Kids, not all but a good portion, lack the discipline that was installed by our parents in the past. You didn't walk of the court and change clothes and sit in the stands, quitting in the middle of a game.  You didn't hear of a lot of players getting kicked off the team for discipline or just not playing because of it.  In PA's case, you had James Gamble whose name, along with Fred Williams, already earned respect.  Lots of these kids today show no respect at all for their coaches.  You can see where that trait comes from by listening to parents at games and even seeing some of their comments on sites such as this one.  Sure criticism of coaches has always been around but wasn't as readily available for the players to see as it is now.  And speaking of sites, that leads to computers and video games.  Many kids spend all their free time today playing with electronics rather than on the courts of the playgrounds or backyards.

West Brook @ Cha[b]nnelview (-7)[/b] [b](-11) PAM [/b] @ La Porte Barbers Hill @ [b]Dayton (-3)[/b] Ozen @ [b]Central (-6)[/b] [b](-5) Livingston [/b] @ PNG Lumberton @ [b]LCM (-12)[/b] [b](-18) Nederland[/b] @ Vidor Kirbyville @ [b]Jasper (-19)[/b] Bridge City @ [b]Hardin-Jefferson (-34)[/b] [b](-23) Silsbee [/b] @ Orangefield [b](-10) WOS[/b] @ Hamshire-Fannett [b]Liberty[/b] @ Huffman (-3) Shepherd @ [b]Cleveland (-16)[/b] Tarkington @ [b]Coldspring (-17)[/b] [b]Woodville[/b] @ Newton (-19) [b](-4) Hardin[/b] @ Anahuac [b](-20) Kountze[/b] @ Buna Warren @  [b]East Chambers (-21)[/b] Broaddus @ [b]West Sabine (-5)[/b] Big Sandy @ [b]Evadale (-3)[/b]