HUM398

[quote name="panamamyers" post="815878" timestamp="1278122336"] Talk about a fun guy to watch a game with....you guys need to look up patitan [/quote] I can only imagine.

[quote name="jayhawk" post="815912" timestamp="1278129303"] I think I did let it go ! I guess you skipped over the place where I said "good post " .but if you need to engage I'll be your huckleberry . :-* [/quote] ::) What is it like to live in your world?

[quote name="liltex" post="815907" timestamp="1278128375"] Win/Lose playing Elkins-Angleton-Ike @Bronco stadium is a + compared to Bay City-Friendswood-Austin LBJ ::) [/quote] Honestly i see Dayton coming out 2-1...Elkins is going to get their rear ends chewed up and spit out...They win one of the two final games.  It helps that you play Ike at Bronco Stadium.

[quote name="jayhawk" post="815879" timestamp="1278122521"] I'v[color=red]e gotten the same impression.  The insecurity i am picking up is irritating, and it completely distracting of the point.  We have argued that Ike has better athletes then Dayton, which is pretty much factual....it's silly to oppose the view, based purely on loyalty and bias.    The real discussion is between the mis-matches each team potentially possess over the other. Instead they want to argue who is better, so one can fictionally thump their chests until game day when the preconceived notions are obliterated by truth.[/color] ~ [color=red][color=black]Whats irritating is your monster ego - and your oxy-moronic statements I never heard anybody say we were better than Ike. And aren't these boards meant to be for opposing teams to argue which team is better.( not according to you )You and your x-5a buds come on here over and over and over bragging about all of the ocean of athletes Ike has like were supposed be intimidated or something and when were not you call us insecure.  Lets talk about that real discussion between the mis-matches - funny you never brought them up one time ? ( and no coaches and [/color] discipline don't count ) [/quote] My monster ego?  I am arguing against the opinion that Dayton was slightly over-matched, and the idea that the athletic discrepancy between the two schools was much larger then was being presented by the opposing view. They only reason i inserted my view on the topic was because of i have seen Ike play...been watching them for the better part of 15 years...and am fairly familar with their style of play. Ike isn't a team that is a monster machine, they haven't been truly good since 2003.  They are merely a shadow of what they were.  Dayton can win the game, and i think i have made that clear in previous posts....The only thing i saw as faulty thinking on the behalf of the Dayton faithful is the insecure stance that Dayton can match up with anyone athletically....it simple just isn't true. I don't expect you to be intimidated....you are Dayton.  No one should scare you, and i am fully aware of that.  Dayton plays great football, and the fact that some of your fans are regurgitation this sort of insecurity in criticism is odd.   If i were to say the same things to Katy, their fans would say "You are right....But We are Katy" .   If Dayton is truly as good as yall believe and truly as good as your record demonstrates....Then let it go.   You are Dayton, stop acting like Port Arthur.

[quote name="dayton" post="815903" timestamp="1278127103"] [quote author=HUM398 link=topic=65952.msg815866#msg815866 date=1278121078] [quote author=dayton link=topic=65952.msg815847#msg815847 date=1278117584] [quote author=HUM398 link=topic=65952.msg815840#msg815840 date=1278116705] [quote author=dayton link=topic=65952.msg815836#msg815836 date=1278116425] I don't even see how there is an argument going one here. Ike has a huge enrollment, Dayton does not. Of course there are MORE athletes there. Pan and HUM ... you guys are right,... I'd move on. [/quote] You are right they do have a larger enrollment. But that still doesn't address the fact that Ike has BETTER athletes. [/quote] sure some may be better... they have more to choose from. [/quote] Sounds like an excuse to me...being as it everyone here was stating not even a couple months ago how "you still have to put 11 kids on the field". [/quote] Not me sport... go back and read my posts, I didn't get too involved in the 5A vs. 4A mess. I'll try not to lump you in with a radical group of fans if you'll do me the same courtesy. [/quote] Fair enough. 

[quote name="EAGLE07" post="815841" timestamp="1278116739"] [quote author=dayton link=topic=65952.msg815836#msg815836 date=1278116425] I don't even see how there is an argument going one here. Ike has a huge enrollment, Dayton does not. Of course there are MORE athletes there. Pan and HUM ... you guys are right,... I'd move on. [/quote] Thank you...Dayton. You just beat me to the punch. Why shouldn't Ike beat Dayton ? Dayton beats Humble. JMO. [/quote] Dayton Beats Humble?  Maybe.   Really no way to really draw an comparison to the two, neither have had similar opponents.  It really is just a matter of speculation on either side if you were to make that a serious assertion. I can look at Humble and Dayton and see potential match up problems for either side.  Dayton has better coaching, im not really sure by how much because again their really isn't a similar opponent to do even a poor comparison.  Humble has better athletes, larger participation numbers apparently, and run a defensive scheme that gives offenses like Dayton trouble. Dayton runs a pretty solid defensive scheme that i could see hampering the lack luster Humble offense ive seen as of late.  Dayton executes the flats really well, and that is where Humble has been making it's yardage.   If they have sufficient speed flying to the flats, i could see it turning to a game that favored Dayton.  However, if they don't have the athletic ability to keep our speed from taking over the game...then it could get out of control quickly.   Humble like any team that has an abundance of skill players has the potential to break big plays at the sign of a mental lapse. It would be a good game...

[quote name="dayton" post="815847" timestamp="1278117584"] [quote author=HUM398 link=topic=65952.msg815840#msg815840 date=1278116705] [quote author=dayton link=topic=65952.msg815836#msg815836 date=1278116425] I don't even see how there is an argument going one here. Ike has a huge enrollment, Dayton does not. Of course there are MORE athletes there. Pan and HUM ... you guys are right,... I'd move on. [/quote] You are right they do have a larger enrollment. But that still doesn't address the fact that Ike has BETTER athletes. [/quote] sure some may be better... they have more to choose from. [/quote] Sounds like an excuse to me...being as it everyone here was stating not even a couple months ago how "you still have to put 11 kids on the field".

[quote name="dayton" post="815836" timestamp="1278116425"] I don't even see how there is an argument going one here. Ike has a huge enrollment, Dayton does not. Of course there are MORE athletes there. Pan and HUM ... you guys are right,... I'd move on. [/quote] You are right they do have a larger enrollment. But that still doesn't address the fact that Ike has BETTER athletes.

[quote name="panamamyers" post="815825" timestamp="1278112363"] The point of the matter is that not very many teams in the entire country can match up with Eisenhower's athletes. To argue that Ike does not have much better athletes than their opponents 99.9% of the time is to just be intentionally obtuse or a huge homer. Get past that part of the argument and go on to the who will actually win part. I've found this forum enjoys getting caught up in the wrong argument. The 4a being as good as 5a argument being one example and Dayton having comparable athletes to Eisenhower being another example. It really, really reeks of an inferiority complex. It's much easier to get a good discussion going when both sides can admit to their weaknesses and strengths. Heck...we may as well say that Port Arthur Memorial has just as good of a program and discipline in place as Katy. Katy better coached?  No way, PAM is better coached. Katy players are more disciplined?  No way, PAM players are more disciplined.... Let's not give in on any point. Don't admit being weaker in any phase of any sport. [/quote] I've gotten the same impression.  The insecurity i am picking up is irritating, and it completely distracting of the point.  We have argued that Ike has better athletes then Dayton, which is pretty much factual....it's silly to oppose the view, based purely on loyalty and bias.    The real discussion is between the mis-matches each team potentially possess over the other. Instead they want to argue who is better, so one can fictionally thump their chests until game day when the preconceived notions are obliterated by truth. 

[quote name="panamamyers" post="815820" timestamp="1278111463"] [url=[Hidden Content] 2009 had 18 guys get college football scholarships[/url] [quote]Eisenhower High had the most seniors earn scholarships as 19 signed with various colleges and universities across the country.[/quote] One of the 19 was a swimmer, the rest were football players. [url=[Hidden Content] 2010 had 13 guys get college football scholarships[/url] [quote]Pictured are 12 of the 13 Eisenhower Senior High football players who signed national letters of intent during the school’s national signing day ceremony held on Wednesday, Feb. 3. Not pictured is Jay Guy, who graduated in December and is currently enrolled at the University of Nebraska.[/quote] [url=[Hidden Content] 2007 had 17 guys get college football scholarships[/url] [quote]Twenty Aldine ISD senior football players signed national letters of intent to continue their academic and athletic careers on Wednesday, Feb. 7 during signing ceremonies at all four AISD high schools. Eisenhower Senior High School led with way with 17 signees, while MacArthur Senior High had two players sign and Aldine Senior High and Nimitz High had one each sign, respectively.[/quote] [/quote] They really don't know until they see it for themselves.  Ike has some monster athletes...period. Im kind of pissed that Humble won't get a shot at Dayton...but Crosby is still a delightful possibility...or even Lee (Would be a great match up between to old rivals)

[quote author=Tyrone_Biggums link=topic=65952.msg815819#msg815819 date=1278110244] So how would the rest of the district fair against Ike and Angleton?  [/quote/] Dayton has a shot to beat both Ike and Angelton....i see everyone else losing by 7-60pts depending on the team. Dayton has the Tradition and coaching to beat Ike and Angleton. Crosby would lose to Ike and probably to Angelton...probably keep it close though. Lee would lose to both by 14pts or more. everyone else pretty much gets slaughtered.

[quote name="liltex" post="815801" timestamp="1278100242"] Hum398 to set the record straight from 2005-2010(6 yrs)Ald.Ike has had 14 players(4-DB-1 CB-1 QB-1 RB-3 DL-2 WR-2 LB)on the Texas top 300 list.Dayton had 6 on that list and Brenham had more than both put together so since all I have is time to kill I love to get the facts from records.I can list the Ike players if you'd like.Ike has 1-2010*Dayton 1* ::) ;) ;D [/quote] That doesn't prove anything. Im not saying Dayton has NO talent, or even that they don't have some of the best talent.  But top to bottom Ike is superior in the athletic department. While Dayton puts maybe 2-3 kids into college every year...Ike puts about 4-5 times that. and Brenham is a great program as well...but still has nothing on the number of athletes a school like Ike puts out.

[quote name="jayhawk" post="815798" timestamp="1278098323"] [color=red]Their was an article in the Chronicle not to long ago (i believe 08) about how they had consistently put 15 or more kids in college over the last 3 years[/color].  ~  To me that means over a 3yr period and Dayton has done that many. Last year Payton Ploch was All Greater Houston Player of the year ( that includes 5a )  In 08 AJ Dugat Parade All American and Cody Green started as QB for Nebraska's against Baylor. Tony Hill last year second team all state this year already  D.Wright among the best 300 in TX by Dave Campbell just don't see us being completely over matched maybe some, but not alot our conditioning program will easily make up the diff and then some. [/quote] Man, yall Dayton fans are a delusional bunch. Ike averages 10-15 kids that receive scholarships from Div 1, Div. 2, Div III, and Jr. Colleges ever year.  The strength of a programs athletes aren't how many kids they have going Div. 1, or how many Texas to 300 kids... It is the depth and quality of depth. in 2006 Ike but 20+ kids in college....That means 20 seniors went on to play college ball.  Are you trying to tell me that Dayton does the same? no.... Look....Dayton is going to be able to compete with Ike based on the fact that they have a coach that is worth the money they pay him.  Ike has the athletes, and a coaching staff that is not worth the money they are paid.  Ike stays in games for one reason and one reason only since the departure of Carson...and that is their athletic ability.  If a team neutralizes their athletic ability by matching it....the other team will win if they are even just slightly more disciplined.

[quote name="Tyrone_Biggums" post="815790" timestamp="1278094054"] [quote author=HUM398 link=topic=65952.msg815789#msg815789 date=1278093927] [quote author=Tyrone_Biggums link=topic=65952.msg815783#msg815783 date=1278092712] [quote author=HUM398 link=topic=65952.msg815782#msg815782 date=1278092116] [quote author=jayhawk link=topic=65952.msg815550#msg815550 date=1277967023] [color=red]Dude...Athletically, Dayton is way over-matched.[/color] ~~~   Like far out man - and you know this because you did a statistical comparison of both teams ?  No ! that's right you went to one Dayton game last year and wasn't impressed and of course with all your vast expert football knowledge and knowing very little about Dayton's program from the inside came to that conclusion all by your self. I must say I'm impressed if not Humbled . [/quote] Yall Bronco fans are some of the most easily offended fans i have ever encountered.  You walk into a discussion with a pre-committed view on where you stand against every other team. I'm Sorry to break this news to you, but as great of a football team you have.... You don't have anything close to the type of athlete Ike has access to year in and year out.  They are bigger, Faster, and Stronger.  You are over-matched athletically....period.   I don't think a single person outside of dayton who has seen Ike play would say Dayton is 'slightly" over-matched....They have bigger guns...Yall have a better general. [/quote] ...and out of thin air, he appears.  HUM398 is just like beetlejuice, except for the fact that the name only has to be mentioned once and POOF there he is.  I really wish Humble would have taken the place of summer creek in 19-4A so I could see how over-matched dayton would be against the pussycats.  [/quote] Summer Creek isn't in 19-4a...their in 18-4a with Humble.   I would of liked nothing more then to be in 19-4a, but unfortunately the UIL thought it best to stick us with the inept of the Region. [/quote] You're right all the football teams over there suck.  [/quote] ::) Humble is going to do plenty to prove they are don't belong in that league.  I am looking forward to smashing what ever 19-4a school pops out of their for the Division I playoffs.

[quote name="jayhawk" post="815786" timestamp="1278093534"] OK- Mr. HUM398 please enlighten us on Ike's big guns and why Dayton will be so athletically over matched ? Give some examples and facts not just rhetoric ! I say this most respectfully . ( you need to really come watch the game you might be surprized ) [/quote] Pretty sure i gave you some pretty hard evidence.   They produce close to 10-15 College Football players per Graduating class.   In comparison Dayton does what?  Hell Humble does 7-9 a year.  NS does about the same....   That speaks volumes about the type of athletes they have to put 10-15 kids into college ever year...that is on the low end.   Their was an article in the Chronicle not to long ago (i believe 08) about how they had consistently put 15 or more kids in college over the last 3 years.

[quote name="Tyrone_Biggums" post="815783" timestamp="1278092712"] [quote author=HUM398 link=topic=65952.msg815782#msg815782 date=1278092116] [quote author=jayhawk link=topic=65952.msg815550#msg815550 date=1277967023] [color=red]Dude...Athletically, Dayton is way over-matched.[/color] ~~~   Like far out man - and you know this because you did a statistical comparison of both teams ?  No ! that's right you went to one Dayton game last year and wasn't impressed and of course with all your vast expert football knowledge and knowing very little about Dayton's program from the inside came to that conclusion all by your self. I must say I'm impressed if not Humbled . [/quote] Yall Bronco fans are some of the most easily offended fans i have ever encountered.  You walk into a discussion with a pre-committed view on where you stand against every other team. I'm Sorry to break this news to you, but as great of a football team you have.... You don't have anything close to the type of athlete Ike has access to year in and year out.  They are bigger, Faster, and Stronger.  You are over-matched athletically....period.   I don't think a single person outside of dayton who has seen Ike play would say Dayton is 'slightly" over-matched....They have bigger guns...Yall have a better general. [/quote] ...and out of thin air, he appears.  HUM398 is just like beetlejuice, except for the fact that the name only has to be mentioned once and POOF there he is.  I really wish Humble would have taken the place of summer creek in 19-4A so I could see how over-matched dayton would be against the pussycats.  [/quote] Summer Creek isn't in 19-4a...their in 18-4a with Humble.  I would of liked nothing more then to be in 19-4a, but unfortunately the UIL thought it best to stick us with the inept of the Region.

[quote name="jayhawk" post="815550" timestamp="1277967023"] [color=red]Dude...Athletically, Dayton is way over-matched.[/color] ~~~   Like far out man - and you know this because you did a statistical comparison of both teams ?  No ! that's right you went to one Dayton game last year and wasn't impressed and of course with all your vast expert football knowledge and knowing very little about Dayton's program from the inside came to that conclusion all by your self. I must say I'm impressed if not Humbled . [/quote] Yall Bronco fans are some of the most easily offended fans i have ever encountered.  You walk into a discussion with a pre-committed view on where you stand against every other team. I'm Sorry to break this news to you, but as great of a football team you have.... You don't have anything close to the type of athlete Ike has access to year in and year out.  They are bigger, Faster, and Stronger.  You are over-matched athletically....period.   I don't think a single person outside of dayton who has seen Ike play would say Dayton is 'slightly" over-matched....They have bigger guns...Yall have a better general.

[quote name="SgtRey" post="815489" timestamp="1277943613"] Ike will not be ok against WB....WB is going to handle that business against IKE...look for a Dayton to beat dat $%&@ ! ! to the dirt.   :P [/quote] Isn't it at Throne?  I don't think you'll be able to overcome that.  Westbrook has never been a great road team.

[quote name="jayhawk" post="815352" timestamp="1277870593"] I would never mistake LT for anything ! Dayton played them a couple of years ago and I talk with their posters year around on other sites . Dayton might be a little over-matched against Ike and that's to be expected against a 5a team,but to say they will be completely over-matched is over the top. To be honest I don't know if Dayton wins or not but I do know it will be a dog fight and Ike better not underestimate us ! [/quote] Dude...Athletically, Dayton is way over-matched.  They don't play games with the type of talent they spit out.  They sign 10-15 college football players a year(not just Division I)....some years putting out as much as 20.  They are bigger, faster and stronger then just about everyone they play...That includes North Shore.  Then you talk about how absolutely vicious those kids are in pads.  Remember that scene in friday night lights of Carter...Meet Houston's version of that. This has nothing to do with 5a...they field 40-50 varsity football players depending on the year... Now down the beltway you have a team like Nimitz, who is as talented...but their is just something about the Black and Gold....those kids can ball. Dayton should be able to compete, but overcoming their athleticism when you have NEVER faced a team like that is going to be a something those Dayton boys will have to get over pretty quick.  You can't simulate it in practice, unless you got it.

[quote name="liltex" post="815285" timestamp="1277850553"] You just never know;Last year 4A LaMarque(didn't make 1 of 4 playoff spots in dist.24-4A)without that grt.HC that made them a power LED Northshore for 3 full qtrs.as NS staged a last qtr.scoring spree to pull it out-Nuff said bout differant animal ::) ;D ::) [/quote] North Shore last year was a very dull and bland team.  probably one of the worst teams i have seen them put out since 1996....That being said, since 2003 NS has failed to  capitalize on their talent and play some pretty dull offensive football.  They are known as a defensive team, that is brute and physical. Ike is a different Animal then NS(not in a good way...very undisciplined) ...They are far more athletic then 99% of the teams they play...When they play a team of the same talent and athletic level it will come down to who executes better... When they play a team that has tremendous discipline and tremendous depth, they will lose unless they are as disciplined (however...Ike is a undisciplined aggressive team that will often lose to teams that out execute and are able to keep fresh legs). Dayton has a shot, but don't be surprised if you walk away saying "That is the dirtiest game that i have ever watched".....and in 2011 when you go to thorne...watch out for the batteries and turkey legs...they like to throw them.

[quote name="liltex" post="806065" timestamp="1274932545"] My hope for BH and Coach Gage's staff he can build a solid district contending team within 2 years.If he can't I can only imagine some would've liked to recind their comments about the former coach.The addition of Lee makes 19-4A a bit tuffer and soon enuff King @ North Forrest will field better teams.Crisis in the NF ISD will get better and w/their numbers I'd expect them to rebound pretty soon and contend for a playoff spot.I don't know where the district line ends between King and Summer Creek so I'm guessing King lost some atheletes similar to Sterling/GCM. [/quote] Summer Creek HS is an Humble ISD school, it drew its talent from Humble and Atascocita.  The Split moved Humble down, but the majority of the Talent at Summer Creek comes form Atascocita. About 200 kids were taken from Humble (who has had about 2100 kids over the last three years).  Atascocita lost about 800 kids.

[quote name="sig220" post="762845" timestamp="1266618314"] You are right.  There are probably less of the true 6A schools than there once were.  West Brook is D1 by 7 students.  However, I think the D2 schools were as good if not better than the D1s this year. [/quote] Generally speaking, after about 1900-2000 kids...programs seem to exibit a maximum of 300-350 kids in a football program.  You won't really see your Mega Schools do much better then that.  As far as pure numbers go, if you are around 2000 kids with about 25% participation you have the numbers to compete across the board... The numbers after about 2000 are really testament to talent levels.

[quote name="Tim Riggins" post="762811" timestamp="1266612766"] With all the growth Lumberton is experiencing, you'd think they would have more students in high school.  Guess the new folks either have young children, no children or are retired. [/quote] I was unaware that they were experiencing growth.

[quote name="GCMPats" post="762750" timestamp="1266607344"] Plano ISD has 3 high schools for 11th-12th: Plano (2597), Plano West(1903), and Plano East (2721). They have 5 Secondary schools for 9th - 10th: Clark (1354), Jasper (1948), Shepton (1600), Williams (2006) and Vines (1281). Those numbers they submit to the UIL are somewhat deceiving. [/quote] They aren't really deceiving.  Plano HS uses a system very similar to North Shore (Senior Campuses, and Underclassmen campuses)...these are designed to be Mega High Schools.  These smaller feeding school act as tanks to better create learning environments for the appropriate age group. The 9th-10th grade campuses for PEHS are Clark and Jaspar...They are still PEHS as a collective...It just like the 9th grade centers you saw pop up all over the place in the 90's...but taken to an extreme. using your logic, North Shore doesn't actually have 4400+ kids...they only have about half that...as the two campuses are about 3 miles apart.

[url=[Hidden Content]; [Hidden Content]] [Hidden Content]; [Hidden Content]; [/url] [url=[Hidden Content]] My biggest comment is on 19-4a, It tells you all sorts of things that North Forest High is down by as much as it is... two years ago they started with 2038 Kids, now they are sitting at 1625.  Usually drops that significant are attributed to splits, but after a merger the school is still losing kids like crazy.  at this pace in 4 years they will be a 3a school, but more probable they will be closing their doors as a district. Also, in 5a...Plano East recorded 6171 kids... That is such a large discrepancy.  2054-6171... If Plano East had any sort of coaching they would take advantage of the pure numbers they have...although, it seems that most schools usually max out at 300-350 kids in a program.