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This discussion has missed one potential element that contributed to the loss....that Hardin-Jefferson might just be that good.  I know, folks want to point to the 62-0 loss the week before but the fact is that WO-S has done that to everybody that they have played so far.  H-J is a team that was able to improve over last year when they were adjusting to a new coach (and yet were not that many points away from reversing their fortunes last season) and had a quality win over Jasper coming into this game.  Sure, if you would have asked me on last Friday morning, I would have chosen Liberty but I can't say I was surprised about the outcome.  In fact, I had warned earlier in the week of this result as it appeared that they were overlooking a team that I felt was much closer in quality to them than they did.
And this is not to in any way meant to dismiss the quality of Liberty.  They are a really good team who have done things that a Panther team has not done in a while and they have deserved the notoriety that they received.  In fact, I am kinda disappointed with those, both locally and across the state, who going into last week were so high on Liberty yet have jumped off of the bandwagon with reckless abandon after a 3 point loss.
But to dismiss this as a "fluke" is doing a bit of disservice.

Wos fans on here like a bunch a lil kids LOL

Wos fans on here like a bunch a lil kids LOL

Nobody said that because we are state ranked that we will win, here we go again , your post is proof of what I did say. ANY credit to liberty is being taken by some of y'all  as a knock on wos lol and it's not ... 

Going back to the original post I believe I was actually one of the first ones on the board to point out that Liberty was getting some props across the state including from DCTF and as a WOS grad I would say please don't generalize and lump us all together. I congratulated you and am genuinely excited to see the Panthers doing well because it's honestly been a while.
I can understand where people are coming from on both sides.
I can't (well I actually could but I'm responding from my phone) count the number of times the WOS Staff and Team have had weeks where they face an undefeated or state ranked team and must remain focused on themselves, getting the job done and not listening to the chatter. More times than not they've won with some exceptions (Silsbee breaking the 30+ game district game winning streak 7 years ago is the most recent example that comes to mind.)
 People actually make fun of me because I always get worried when WOS is doing well mostly due to living through those games where we were huge favorites, got complacent or something else happened and didn't win. Paris 1988 State Finals, Ennis 2000 State Finals or games where we came SOOO close but then didn't (Yates 1985, La Marque more than once in the '90s) come to mind. WOS fans get used to the Mustangs winning. Unfortunately that translates into added stress on the kids and coaches because they want to live up to the standard and also not disappoint families and the community and it ALSO translates into a lot of the fans just expecting the same outcome yet again which can come across as arrogant or cocky.
Do I personally believe Liberty will beat WOS this year? No, but that doesn't mean it absolutely 100% couldn't happen. That's why the games are played on the field and not message boards.
I wish the best of injury-free luck to both and who knows... if all the latest rankings/polls/computers are correct we could meet up a 2nd time in the Quarterfinals. OR neither of us could.  We shall see!
 
 
 

yeah and doing some good things now in 5A i see, early in the year i wanted to catch a pam game come playoff time but i had no idea that liberty would possibly be making a run themselves so idk  if i will be able too. but good luck to pam and png , i try an support all setx teams .... outside of huffman and bh of course because they think their crap don't stink but uh anyone else  lets keep reppin for setx lol nah im playin i would still go for bh and huffman over non setx teams 

Are you referring to Tyris Williams, who I believe transferred to Dayton two seasons ago for his sophomore year, led dayton's JV in tackles, and came to Liberty started varsity as a junior and received division 1 scholarship offers following that season to play linebacker? Yall should have used him on your varsity when he was a sophomore if that was legal lol 

The fact that the defending state champion West Orange-Stark Mustangs and the Liberty Panthers are in the same district and both ranked top 10 in the state of Texas now according to DCTF rankings for 4ADII. From what I have understood Dave Campbell's Texas Football magazine and rankings are a really respectable poll/magazine when it comes to Texas sports across the state, but there wasn't a lot of buzz on here about two SETX teams in the SAME district cracking that poll, and from what I'm seeing from past rankings its actually rare that ANY schools from SETX make it into DCTF's rankings, so I just thought this would be more of a topic of conversation since this is setxsports.com lol  ... and ill admit liberty is never this good so I wanna enjoy our time in the spotlight and have you all come on here and congratulate us on how good we are doin lmao nah not really but I do think this deserves some recognition.

I'm in no way saying that you guys aren't a dominant powerhouse , before you get carried away on me for praising liberty i know some of you have taken offense to any liberty praise as if you cant praise both teams, as if any compliment to liberty is a knock on wos or vice versa 

The fact that the defending state champion West Orange-Stark Mustangs and the Liberty Panthers are in the same district and both ranked top 10 in the state of Texas now according to DCTF rankings for 4ADII. From what I have understood Dave Campbell's Texas Football magazine and rankings are a really respectable poll/magazine when it comes to Texas sports across the state, but there wasn't a lot of buzz on here about two SETX teams in the SAME district cracking that poll, and from what I'm seeing from past rankings its actually rare that ANY schools from SETX make it into DCTF's rankings, so I just thought this would be more of a topic of conversation since this is setxsports.com lol  ... and ill admit liberty is never this good so I wanna enjoy our time in the spotlight and have you all come on here and congratulate us on how good we are doin lmao nah not really but I do think this deserves some recognition.

yeah and doing some good things now in 5A i see, early in the year i wanted to catch a pam game come playoff time but i had no idea that liberty would possibly be making a run themselves so idk  if i will be able too. but good luck to pam and png , i try an support all setx teams .... outside of huffman and bh of course because they think their crap don't stink but uh anyone else  lets keep reppin for setx lol nah im playin i would still go for bh and huffman over non setx teams 

Yea, that's cool y'all are ranked with WO-S.  Gonna be a heck of a game when y'all tangle in 2 weeks...

The fact that the defending state champion West Orange-Stark Mustangs and the Liberty Panthers are in the same district and both ranked top 10 in the state of Texas now according to DCTF rankings for 4ADII. From what I have understood Dave Campbell's Texas Football magazine and rankings are a really respectable poll/magazine when it comes to Texas sports across the state, but there wasn't a lot of buzz on here about two SETX teams in the SAME district cracking that poll, and from what I'm seeing from past rankings its actually rare that ANY schools from SETX make it into DCTF's rankings, so I just thought this would be more of a topic of conversation since this is setxsports.com lol  ... and ill admit liberty is never this good so I wanna enjoy our time in the spotlight and have you all come on here and congratulate us on how good we are doin lmao nah not really but I do think this deserves some recognition.

yup legarious is from our side as well, wish we still had him, wanna hear something else crazy? Crosby WR 6'3 180 lbs junior Jordan Hill played for liberty when he was growing up as well, 3star recruit on 247, I couldn't imagine having those 2 guys with this already talented squad. 

The fact that the defending state champion West Orange-Stark Mustangs and the Liberty Panthers are in the same district and both ranked top 10 in the state of Texas now according to DCTF rankings for 4ADII. From what I have understood Dave Campbell's Texas Football magazine and rankings are a really respectable poll/magazine when it comes to Texas sports across the state, but there wasn't a lot of buzz on here about two SETX teams in the SAME district cracking that poll, and from what I'm seeing from past rankings its actually rare that ANY schools from SETX make it into DCTF's rankings, so I just thought this would be more of a topic of conversation since this is setxsports.com lol  ... and ill admit liberty is never this good so I wanna enjoy our time in the spotlight and have you all come on here and congratulate us on how good we are doin lmao nah not really but I do think this deserves some recognition.

stepping on someone the way he did has no place in football, if this was boxing and he punched him no it is not assault but that is no the case here is it? Is stomping on someone's leg after the play within the sport of football anywhere at all? Can you drive a car on to the field and just start running the opposing team over now since laws don't apply to sports? where it is reasonable they do apply lol if a boxer punches his opponent there's no assault but even the goal is knock your opponent out in the sport, if you pull out a  gun an pistol whip him you will get an assault charge your comparison was off by a mile 

Player is going to be ok. Nothing serious as far as injury. Will be playing next week.
Celina staff has contacted Nevada Community staff and has offered apology.

LOL i'm white. i guess this is too sensitive a time for some of you with the election going on to insinuate that a team who was called thugs for doing nothing, who happened to be all black, and a team who had a guy basically commit aggravated assault in front of thousands of people who was all white got called nothing, that maybe it was because of the difference in demographics of the teams involved. maybe it wasn't , i just said it makes you wonder , what's the difference here? maybe there are other differences, but it's not racist or profiling to state a fact that one of the differences is in fact the racial make up of each team lol that's just a fact right there, not saying its the only difference and the only reason or that it is even a reason at all.

What about Liberty? I know im a homer, but the way you worded that "no one else has the talent" well in our case 4A division 2 has very little talent as a whole, and our region specifically is probably the least talented region in 4ad2 outside of WOS who liberty wouldn't have to play till the 4th round. IMO since the talent is watered down, and liberty does have some talent, I'd say the panthers do have the talent to make a run in 4a division 2 in this region. 

WOS , Newton both go to at least the 4th round..... don't know enough about 4A D1 to make any predictions on Silsbee but I hear they have some studs on offense, would like to see them represent for setx and go 2 or 3 rounds deep, same for PAM but I hear 5A can get real tough real quick with schools like Manvel out there, IDK how soon they would meet up 

With due respect, not getting out of bounds when you are down 5 with 8 seconds left is a bonehead mistake.  Heading to the right when the play is going left is a bonehead mistake.  This, I'm sorry, cannot be dismissed as merely "bonehead." The Pingleton kid, looked down, measured, left his feet and came down with all of this weight on the linebacker's ankle.  That my friend, is an intentional act.  Are some of the sanctions discussed like pulling scholarships too extreme (although in an age where college athletes are making news as often for character issues as they are for their 40 times, if I am a program recruiting this guy, I might want to dig further)? Definitely.  At the same time, when a local school is being is being castigated and called a bunch of "thugs" for pregame rituals that some find intimidating, this was truly a "thug" move that deserves some sanction and given the fact that it did appear to cause some injury, a pretty severe one.
I guess that an aspect that I find particularly galling is that nearly 10 months ago, this very kid had to sit out what was at that time the most important game of his young life because of an injury that he sustained on the field.  You'd think he would have learned something from that...then, again, he might have. 

What about Liberty? I know im a homer, but the way you worded that "no one else has the talent" well in our case 4A division 2 has very little talent as a whole, and our region specifically is probably the least talented region in 4ad2 outside of WOS who liberty wouldn't have to play till the 4th round. IMO since the talent is watered down, and liberty does have some talent, I'd say the panthers do have the talent to make a run in 4a division 2 in this region. 

you right lol my bad, I was just trying to be clear that we didn't start the threat to "beat out chest" 2 weeks in advance, when we have a game this week, I didn't want our conversations on this thread to be taken as Liberty arrogance but I wasn't really suggesting you guys were being arrogant by doing it, just felt some of the posters were trying to get a negative reaction out of us. But Kicker clarified his comments, and I see where he was coming from.