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Just saw the video and you're exactly right.

I feel good about Buna beating Kountze twice. Not sure why, but I watched the EC/Buna and OF/Buna games, and Buna was just a play or two away in both of those games as well as the one last night. Neither Kountze/EC or Kountze/OF were competitive games, and Kountze lost to Anahuac by 6. It'll be a good game, but I think Buna is the better team this season.

Never said anything like what you're accusing me of. I don't have a son playing currently so your moronic "daddy" comment doesn't apply. What I did say is the inconsistency and knowledge of the rules from officials is an issue. Whether or not you like the way I said it doesn't matter. Also, I've seen very few coach or player incidents this season or in recent seasons. Sure they happen, but it certainly isn't commonplace. The fan interaction is another story. Fans get out of hand often and say things and do things they shouldn't. However, fans getting on to officials has been part of the game forever, and that isn't going to change. So long as what is said isn't inappropriate it's something that should be expected. It's not something that just started happening recently.

This isn't terrible money.. Say there's a 45 minute drive and a 1.5-2 hour game, it's around $20-$25 an hour depending on the distance driven. Could it be more? Sure, but that's not awful by any stretch.

I did not know that.

I was at that game, and I'll tell you there was zero intent of those two players that came off the bench to fight or anything else. They came off with their coach, who was screaming for a time out. (Not sure if your video has sound or not, a lot do not) One official did grant a time out, and that was the argument that occurred afterwards. I was sitting behind the players right around mid-court. I believe the assistant coach went to hold the players back because all of that happened extremely fast. Also, to be fair, players left the bench from both teams, not just one. None that I saw had any intentions of going on the court to fight. The technical foul was only called against one team.

Agreed. Maybe even some transparency from the local chapter that the only officials they have for tonight for (insert game here) are inexperienced and will do the best they can. I think coaches would certainly go easier on them. There's not a lot you can do about fans yelling and screaming. As long as it's not some kind of vulgarities or name calling it is to be expected and is just part of the job unfortunately.

Understandable, but the price of everything has drastically gone up. I would think it would be understandable the cost of these guys' time would increase as well.

It would certainly have to be the school's responsibility to pay for the trainee. Of course, I would think there would have to be some communication between TASO and the school beforehand. Also, the trainee would be at a reduced rate since they would not actually be officiating. I believe most schools understand there is a shortage, and while not all would participate I believe may would. Maybe a survey sent out to coaches to test the waters on that aspect of my list would be appropriate before adding training like that.

I respect that outlook on things. I hate that we lost good ones because of the fans treatment of them, but is this the only reason? Could we get them back for improved pay, or maybe use these guys who quit to train others since they do not want to call games anymore? I agree fans can be obnoxious and rude. I get it. However, most coaches are very respectful and try to talk to the officials about calls they do not agree with. (Not all I know, but most.) Fans giving umpires, refs, etc. a hard time has been going on forever. To some degree, officials have to expect that when signing up to do the job. Threats and waiting for them after the game is what I would think made some of these guys quit. That kind of stuff should never happen, ever.

Here you go: 1. Improved training. Not more training but improved training. New officials traveling with an experienced crew to observe and learn would be a good start. Have them involved with the halftime and end of quarter conversations the officials have about the game and how it's going. 2. Better pay. I'm not exactly sure what they get paid now, but from what I've seen on this thread its around $50-$75 a game? Please correct me if I'm wrong. Mileage expense would be a start if the official is traveling more than 25 miles to a game. 3. A requirement to have 1 year of experience before being allowed to officiate any varsity district game or playoff game. Tournaments and non- district games would be good for experience. 4. More strict rules on fans being enforced at games. One warning for inappropriate conduct and after that its adios. Most fans that are loud and critical of the officials change their tune after a warning. (For that game anyway.) This in my mind would be a good start.

If it is the same game? I'm not sure. However, treatment of the official bad or good does not justify that kind of call. There was no bad treatment of the official in the timeframe this particular technical foul was called. Looking at it the way you just described is part of the problem. An official making calls because he's pissed at one coach or another is out of line. Just the same as its out of line for a coach to verbally berate an official. I keep referring to that particular call because it was by far the most egregiously poor call I've seen this season.

Again with this stuff.. I have no doubt you're one of the good ones just from your post on here. Sounds like you take pride in being a good official and that's fantastic. If we had more like you there wouldn't be an issue. Would people still complain? Sure, that's the nature of the beast, but there would be consistency. Let's be clear on what I'm actually saying with my original post.. I didn't name any official. nor did I say they're all terrible. That's just not the case. The good ones are showing up less often these days because there are fewer of them.

No, I want competent officials. Officials that don't call technical fouls for kids coming on to the court during a timeout because he had no idea another official granted the time out. Then, refuse to correct himself because being right was more important than getting it right. Intentional fouls called on kids simply trying to foul at the end of a game to put the other team on the line. An official that understands that going through someone's back to get a rebound is different than a taller player simply jumping higher. You know, simple things. No one is asking for perfection here, just improvement of consistency.

What I want is competence and consistency. Again, all of you guys that believe all officials are beyond reproach and should never be questioned about anything at all regarding their part-time jobs, always making the suggestion that the people who want consistency should become officials themselves are unrealistic. how about the local chapter do what they can to make the officials they have better? I get it, a lot of people just complain to complain. I'll give you that. I'm not that guy. I don't say anything at the games. The majority of the games I watch I have no rooting interest in. I've never seen the officiating in this area as bad as it is now, and I've been watching games for 25 years or so.

I don't care that it's their part time job. I should have been more clear.

Yet another response saying "everyone who has an issue with officials should become one." It's quite a silly suggestion. Some probably have an issue with the window person at McDonald's getting their order wrong all the time. Does that mean they should go work part-time at McDonald's to correct the issue? Maybe a part-time gig at Academy because you can never get help there when needed? How about going to work at your local grocery store part-time because the check out lines are slow?

The 8-10 games I've seen that were officiated by chapters outside of setx were called light years better than any game I have seen in setx this season.

I'm 5'8'' and didn't have much of a basketball career. I played. That's about it. Typical response by someone who has no good information to contribute. Resorting to an attempt to make fun of someone, etc. I have officiated numerous little dribblers and little league games as a volunteer, so you would be incorrect. Please go back and site any part of any post I have made where I'm blaming officials for costing kids a game. I'll wait. Again...... All I'm saying is the officiating is setx is bad and is getting worse.

I know it's always easy to blame someone else for others' mistakes or shortcomings. It's not the fault of "guys like me" that officials don't know the rules. That's on them. A better job needs to be done. I don't have all the answers, but there is certainly an issue that seems to be a greater issue in our area than in others. What are other officiating chapters doing differently than setx? It would be a great place to start.

C'mon man. They hire 18 year old car salesman out of high school with zero experience.

I do get it. I just don't care. The best officials need to officiate the varsity games. If these are the best setx has to offer, then there is an internal issue somewhere.

Again, we're not talking about little dribblers or junior high basketball here. Only varsity level. Also, only setx officials.

Typical non answer without any solution to the problem at hand. Let's blame everyone else for the poor officiating and try to hand them our whistle when we hear about it. Sounds like you guys do a lot of training and testing. Is it possible the training and testing should be reviewed and updated? That's not a rhetorical question. If there's that much training and testing before you can officiate, then why do so many officials not know the rules? Again, I'm not talking about all officials, but only SETX officials. You go to Houston or Dallas and its completely different.

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