Dick Vitale

[quote name="Dav-J" post="1188846" timestamp="1330536318"] [b]ON TOPIC[/b]  1.Ozen's defense (especially first half) shut down Ned's outside shooters. Ozen's # 11 on English was huge. Ozen's D was the big reason for all the missed shots. 2. Weisbrod driving inside was effective. 3. Refs let them play. Great Game [/quote] 100% Factual

[quote name="uandme08" post="1188815" timestamp="1330534544"] Fellas, please get back in your respective corners lol. I'd like to go to a Nederland/Ozen thread just one time and actually read about Nederland and Ozen. There's so much to say to "DV", about "DV" and from "DV", start a thread about "DV" PLEASE (heck that thread would probably cause a malfunction to this site). Congratulations to Nederland for all of their accomplishments and good luck to Ozen in the next round (we're going to need it). And again this is only IMO!!!!!!!  Ok I'm off my soapbox now, my apologies  :) [/quote] No sir..Don't want a thread about ME!!  ;D...Somehow though when I post about ANYTHING, posters have a tendency to steer it that way...I just talk basketball... ;)

[quote name="JRidge" post="1188816" timestamp="1330534660"] Shout out to Ozen Boys Basketball Team & especially their Coaches for a very good season!  These Coaches have dealt with alot of criticism in comparison to former coach Andre Boutte and his previous success!  After dealing with major discipline problems from some players who played major roles in the beginning of this season and is now no longer apart of the team, managing practices and game planning, dealing with difficult parents and spectators, even administrative staff at times, they've managed to hold this program together! In a very short period of time, Coach Marcus Saveat has brought Ozen's Basketball program back to being respected. Whether you agree with his methods or coaching style the results speak for themselves. His not being afraid to discipline and release very good players from his team to teach them and every other team member that negative behaviour will not be tolerated shows that he is about developing quality character as well! If you've ever coached or ran a program facing as many obstacles, then you may be able to appreciate his accomplishments! Way to Go Panthers! Keep It Going! [/quote] Good post, Breck.. ;) [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=96858.msg1188821#msg1188821 date=1330534813] Wait....is that crickets I am hearing this morning? It's awfully quiet on  THIS particular thread now that order has been somewhat restored in District 20-4A... But boy if they would have won.... ...You would have seen 352 posts from NB-Dawg, baddog, Snoop Doggy Dogg and every other dog out there on this site!! It is just so QUIET on here this morning...maybe they are still sleeping...Reality tends to make you wanna just sleep it off sometimes... ...I get it now! -As Posted by DickieV- Just saying Dickie, do you honestly think these posts have no intention of bragging or continued effort to bringing down the success of a team? Have you ever considered this might be the reason behind all the returned hate being brought back to you? Come on man.. We all said Congrats and good luck to Ozen, then said congrats the Nederland on their season as well.. You cant do the same without trying to rattle the dog cage? [/quote] You tell me HOW this post is "bragging"....about WHAT?...Bringing down the success of a team? HOW?...I said congrats also...didn't you read it?...Yes, I was rattling some of the posters cages with that statement, but I was not personally attacking anyone...or bragging about ANYTHING!...You KNOW that if Nederland had won, you guys would have been on me ALL DAY LONG...Just be honest...YES, you all would have...

[quote name="DOGS1988" post="1188803" timestamp="1330533659"] If so ridiculous, why spend the time to respond to the comments? [/quote] Doesn't take much time...I'm a fast typer!!  ;D....But it is STILL ridiculous...

OK..How about we end this thread right here then....ITS OVER. ;)...Now watch this..........wait for it..........wait for it....its coming....watch.. 8)

[quote name="NB-Dawg" post="1188790" timestamp="1330533304"] Yes! Doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. If that's the case, then why do u cap every word u want to emphasize? Cap the word does not change the meaning, only the tone. Come on DV stop diverting the topic, AGAIN!! [/quote] Well lets SEE...what If I did this? DOES it MAKE it ANY MORE clear? Whats my tone? am I mad? frustrated? Or laughing at how RIDICULOUS this is? 8) 8)

[quote name="NB-Dawg" post="1188783" timestamp="1330533114"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=96858.msg1188779#msg1188779 date=1330532829] [quote author=BigDog007 link=topic=96858.msg1188776#msg1188776 date=1330532711] To the players from both Nederland and Ozen who may be reading this thread. THANK YOU for a outstanding season. Thank you for your hard work and dedication to your game and school. Be proud of the seasons accomplishments. Thank you to the Senior's and good luck in your future. [b]Thought you would appreciate reading something POSITIVE instead of all the trash talk you have been reading.[/b][/quote] Yeah especially the one with me saying the EXACT same thing that THIS guy said... ::) [/quote] Just like Sleepy observed ( and many others). U bring it back to u, WOW!! [/quote] This is what you are not getting....IT WAS MY POINT...I said the SAME thing, yet it was deemed "trash talk"...How is that bringing it back to ME? ??? ???

Lucky Coach Knight didn't leave one laying around after practice.... ::) ::) :D

[quote name="BigDog007" post="1188776" timestamp="1330532711"] To the players from both Nederland and Ozen who may be reading this thread. THANK YOU for a outstanding season. Thank you for your hard work and dedication to your game and school. Be proud of the seasons accomplishments. Thank you to the Senior's and good luck in your future. [b]Thought you would appreciate reading something POSITIVE instead of all the trash talk you have been reading.[/b][/quote] Yeah especially the one with me saying the EXACT same thing that THIS guy said... ::)

Oh that's right..NOW you can read the TONE of what people are TYPING now....Technology is really something.... ::) ::)..Thats ridiculous, NB-Dawg...

[quote name="NB-Dawg" post="1188762" timestamp="1330531917"] 1. Yes I am employed, and my family and patients DO care. 2. You chose to announce who you are on this board. I choose not to bc I want to protect my son who contributes to the Nederland basketball program. 3. I am not the one who attacked you personally about getting fired and being unemployed in your coaching career. I am questioning your comparison to Bobby Knight, yet you change the topic to bank accounts. Every time you are losing a debate, you change the topic. That's fine, a lot of people do it. It works sometimes, but not with seasoned debaters. 4. I've defended our kids, team, and community, and there is nothing wrong with that, IMO. Our season is over, and we will be back next year hopefully advancing further. We have a lot of work to do. With 4 returning starters and the 1st 5 kids off the bench returning, we will have higher expectations next year. We all know this year was a rebuilding year, and we proved many wrong (not directing that at you). Being a rebuilding year, we were ecstatic to be CO-Champs with Central. However, we would have loved to have finished 3rd and made a return trip to Katy like Ozen. Hopefully Coach E will get a BASKETBALL coach who can help him a bit more next year. The kids deserve it. Go Dawgs!! [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=96857.msg1188735#msg1188735 date=1330530729] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96857.msg1188726#msg1188726 date=1330529972] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=96857.msg1188702#msg1188702 date=1330528364] [quote author=baddog link=topic=96857.msg1188688#msg1188688 date=1330527419] ......to misunderstand the comparison like someone I know.........now he's Bobby Knight! What a narcissistic personality disorder. Bobby Knight was never unemployed as long as you.  ;D All in good clean fun. [/quote] and you know this to be true? well, its not...I would gladly compare bank statements at any point that you like..I was using that as an example to prove a point...I am still doing great, I still know this game, and I can and will return to the sideline..thats a given...I know you are still sore from losing last night, so I don't take any of this personally. Now I am going to get back on topic before the mods think I got us off topic...Good luck next year. [/quote] Hey, it's all in fun, right?? Those were your words, not mine. When the tables turn against you, you change the topic to bank accounts, really?? This is about you comparing yourself to Bobby freakin' Knight!!  :-[ We've all congratulated Ur EX-Team, but it's just not enough. You keep bunching the bag in hopes it will punch back. When the bag does punch back, you want to talk about bank accounts, seriously??  ??? [/quote] Hey I know you are ALL mad about last nights outcome...However I never mentioned anything personal against YOU, because frankly no one even knows you or who you are...They ALL know EXACTLY who I am, which honestly puts me at a great disadvantage, because unlike you guys, I can't chunk rocks and hide behind a computer screen.  I speak my piece, and then my career is scrutinized...How does THAT go together? It matters not, because we all go through something, its just that mine has been a bit more public than ANYBODY ON HERE..Thats ok, I can handle that..I punch back, because I HAVE to...Are you employed right now, NB-Dawg? Where?...Thats right, no one cares..I was called "unemployed", which is an untrue PERSONAL ATTACK...People have said personal things about me, when I can't say it about them...because NO ONE KNOWS WHO THEY ARE...You think thats fair? What I say are opinions about basketball...I never personally attack any one individual...it happens to me...fair or not...it happens. Now if you would, PLEASE get back on the topic of this thread and just pm me if you must.. [/quote] [/quote] 1. I NEVER announced who I was, others have...Can't hide....sorry DOC, it is what it is 2. I didn't say it was JUST you who said those things in the first place, but they were said...NOT FAIR. 3. The bank account statement was connected to the question of my "employment"...I was being a smart alec, yes, nevertheless letting that person know, we could compare it at any time. 4. the comparison to Bob Knight was the comparison about being fired for things beyond your control does not make ANY coach less than because of it...That, I thought, was fairly simple. 5. The fact that most can "throw rocks" and hide on here is 100% accurate, and you are one of them that can...I cannot, and WOULD not even if I could...Not in me to do that. 6. I am not in any "debate" contest...I say what is on my mind..and I will defend ME as well...Nothing wrong with that either...back on topic, please

Nash...tried that last night...its entitled "Thoughts on Nederland/Ozen" ::)

[quote name="sleepy" post="1188750" timestamp="1330531481"] Dickie I give you plenty of chances.  If it was all about the kids you wouldn't have said half of the things you have said buddy.  Sorry! At the end of the day it is all about you!!! [/quote] What??? :o....Thats not true! How is it about ME? I never want it to be about ME, yet, somehow people have a tendency to take it in that direction...They attempt to slander me professionally AND  personally....Yet, I have not done that to anyone on here...Thats just wrong...Please explain your thought... [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=96869.msg1188752#msg1188752 date=1330531571] Come on, guys.  let it go.  Have a couple of marshmellows with DV around a campfire.  He was only pulling yall's chain.  [/quote] No, Soulja!!! read the thread...I was CONGRATULATING them and their team on a good season, and this is the thanks I get?  >:(

Where is a dry erase board when you need one... ::) ::)...last night would have been a terrific opportunity.. 8)

GOTCHA.. ;)

I think they are just sore that they lost last night..Or maybe because EVERTHING THAT I SAID CAME TO PASS...Thats ok..I STILL congratulate the KIDS and Coach E on an outstanding year...STILL.  After all it is about them....The kids.

[quote name="NB-Dawg" post="1188726" timestamp="1330529972"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=96857.msg1188702#msg1188702 date=1330528364] [quote author=baddog link=topic=96857.msg1188688#msg1188688 date=1330527419] ......to misunderstand the comparison like someone I know.........now he's Bobby Knight! What a narcissistic personality disorder. Bobby Knight was never unemployed as long as you.  ;D All in good clean fun. [/quote] and you know this to be true? well, its not...I would gladly compare bank statements at any point that you like..I was using that as an example to prove a point...I am still doing great, I still know this game, and I can and will return to the sideline..thats a given...I know you are still sore from losing last night, so I don't take any of this personally. Now I am going to get back on topic before the mods think I got us off topic...Good luck next year. [/quote] Hey, it's all in fun, right?? Those were your words, not mine. When the tables turn against you, you change the topic to bank accounts, really?? This is about you comparing yourself to Bobby freakin' Knight!!  :-[ We've all congratulated Ur EX-Team, but it's just not enough. You keep bunching the bag in hopes it will punch back. When the bag does punch back, you want to talk about bank accounts, seriously??  ??? [/quote] Hey I know you are ALL mad about last nights outcome...However I never mentioned anything personal against YOU, because frankly no one even knows you or who you are...They ALL know EXACTLY who I am, which honestly puts me at a great disadvantage, because unlike you guys, I can't chunk rocks and hide behind a computer screen.  I speak my piece, and then my career is scrutinized...How does THAT go together? It matters not, because we all go through something, its just that mine has been a bit more public than ANYBODY ON HERE..Thats ok, I can handle that..I punch back, because I HAVE to...Are you employed right now, NB-Dawg? Where?...Thats right, no one cares..I was called "unemployed", which is an untrue PERSONAL ATTACK...People have said personal things about me, when I can't say it about them...because NO ONE KNOWS WHO THEY ARE...You think thats fair? What I say are opinions about basketball...I never personally attack any one individual...it happens to me...fair or not...it happens. Now if you would, PLEASE get back on the topic of this thread and just pm me if you must..

[quote name="DOGS1988" post="1188716" timestamp="1330529211"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=96858.msg1188660#msg1188660 date=1330526048] [quote author=DOGS1988 link=topic=96858.msg1188598#msg1188598 date=1330522850] Good job Bulldogs! You never backed down last night. I agree, this will be a very exciting team to watch next year as they develop.  Another good run boys, we are proud of you guys.  I don't know why "some" insist on making meaningless rude comments on here knowing that we are not in the running anylonger.  Not that it was justified when we were still in it either, but irregardless, no way for mature adults to behave knowing most of these YOUNG players come on here and read what is being said about them and their fan base (which is their family, friends and community). I guess maturity is too much to ask on this forum.  Ozen...you played well and I wish you the best of luck against Jones.  Bring that "A" game with you Friday and all of us here in 20-4A will be pulling for you guys.  Until next year.... [/quote] It is apparent to me that either [glow=red,2,300]you are not an effective reader[/glow], or just failed to read what has been said on here for weeks regarding your favorite team by your fanbase...I was not shooting at the kids, I was merely having fun with the other adults from your town...As a matter of fact I posted on "Thoughts on Nederland/Ozen" thread that SPECIFICALLY speak to the kids that may read it...[glow=red,2,300]Either brush up on your reading skills, sir, or try reading it more slowly.[/glow]  Either way you should see that I had great things to say about [glow=red,2,300]your beloved Nederland program[/glow]...everything else was all in good clean fun.....Have a great day. [/quote] I find it very interesting, Sir, that I referred to "SOME" posters, I NEVER said "DICK VITALE". My reference was in "GENERAL" to posters comments.  Further more, It is my opinion, which I am in full right to have, like everyone else on this forum, you included. I think it is interesting that you took offense to it and responded by demeaning my reading skills and insinuating that I read more slowly so that I may be able to grasp understanding.  I made NO personal attack against you so why are you so offended and responding to me with such a defensive nature? That is the difference between you and me, Sir, I can post my opinions without  personal attack, and blatened rudeness and I do my best to exercise good sportsmanship whereas your can not. Ironic that you want to call out a fanbase for supporting their team by saying I should read up on what our fanbase was saying for the weeks prior when any negative that came from the fanbase  was in response to your antaginizing nature. There is a reason for your bad karma count.  You stirred the hornets nest for weeks in a very negative and unsportsmanlike way, and yet our team is now out of the running and you are still not satisfied.  One nice post of congratulations does not mean anything after you displayed your true nature, it was more like a congrats for losing. Show some respect please, we have a young program in place that is growing and improving every year, you bet the Nederland Fans like what they are seeing.  As this program grows to the next level, so will our fanbase.  You can't possibly find fault with supporting your team.  By the way, with as much time as you spend on Nederland threads, how do you manage to make the time to support your own team (Yates)? By the way, who finds it fun being attacked all the time, unless of course, you are the attacker, right? [/quote] I suggest that in the future you put an "address" to your comments, then...You can say what you like, but unlike MOST of you, I say what I mean, and I mean what I say...I congratulated your team on a great year last night, and I meant that.  I said they were not as talented as the other BISD schools 4A teams, and I meant that...and for THAT reason, I said that Coach English has done a heck of a coaching job this season, and I meant that too.  If you read the past threads, I don't comment until I am mentioned or someone ASKS me to respond....The future of the Nederland basketball program IS bright, and I mean that too.

Thats LASTS years bracket... :o

[quote name="uandme08" post="1188704" timestamp="1330528666"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=96857.msg1188680#msg1188680 date=1330526940] [quote author=The Unknown link=topic=96857.msg1188648#msg1188648 date=1330525295] Dick Vitale How can you say the OZEN staff almost blew something you aways talking down on someone!!!!!!! Are u not the same guy that has had a number of Head coaching job and gotten fired!!!! You are the last one that should be takling about some one who almost blew something!!!!!!!!!!!!! And they don't want your talent no where at OZEN ok let's get that straight so stay your A** where you at and keep hating!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [/quote] I can say it because its the truth! I said "staff" because thats the word that was used by the other poster...[b]Ozen went up 20-6, in the 2nd quarter, and the first 4 minutes of the 2nd, they went into a "stall" handoff game, which IN MY OPINION, took the edge away, got them out of attack mode, and kept them from putting the game away early[/b]...Apparently, someone pulled his coattail to it, but IT TOOK AWAY from what they were doing early..If you disagree, you disagree, but THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED in the 2nd quarter..Not saying that the adjustment wasn't made, because obviously it worked out for Ozen in the end...Those kids were about to blow that game wide open...As far as being "fired" goes, it happens...its the business...Bobby Knight was fired...He is in the Hall of Fame, and like me it wasn't about wins and losses...things happen...doesn't mean I don't still know the game!....You just GET a head coaching job, then we will talk...Until then, you may never understand. [/quote] Please don't shoot me but I agree with DV on the bolded part above. Ozen came out with great intensity during the 1st qtr and that crazy stall ball killed that. As i sat there and watched I asked people sitting around me why would they do that and the repsonse was "coaching". It worked I guess but IMO the score would have been a tad bit different had Ozen continued playing. At the same time I can also see taking time off the clock but Ozen has been known to turn the ball over when they play keep away. Hey maybe Coach English would have made the adjustment, heck I don't know but had they continued playing with the same intensity it wouldn't have been such a low scoring game again this IMO. Wrong thread I know...... [/quote] Nederland's coach was GLAD he did it! He allowed them to rest because they have NO BENCH, it STOPPED the Ozen run they were on, and it allowed them to settle into the game...But thats just a difference in philosophy...Some would say it allowed Ozen to rest or settle too, but why? Who knows...Matters not, they got the win...move on to the next one...I will say this...Yates will not let up, thats for sure...I KNOW his philosophy.. ;)

Stevenash, I was REALLY just going against the grain, because of the situation they had been put in...HONEST..I knew they were the ONLY team with a half of a shot to win, but without their head coach, and all of the turmoil, I KNEW what was going to happen...I really did...it wasn't a hard pick, I just threw that out there...They can say what they want, but I was reall BEING A GOOD SPORT about last night, and congratulating their team on a good year...NO matter how they try to say I talked about them, I MEANT what I posted last night...I didn't run in anybody's face or taunt them last night, because I knew they were feeling bad...Why rub it in? But they certainly TRIED to stab ME this morning...Wonder why I dig at them so bad? I think they WANT me to!  ;)

[quote name="baddog" post="1188688" timestamp="1330527419"] ......to misunderstand the comparison like someone I know.........now he's Bobby Knight! What a narcissistic personality disorder. Bobby Knight was never unemployed as long as you.  ;D All in good clean fun. [/quote] and you know this to be true? well, its not...I would gladly compare bank statements at any point that you like..I was using that as an example to prove a point...I am still doing great, I still know this game, and I can and will return to the sideline..thats a given...I know you are still sore from losing last night, so I don't take any of this personally. Now I am going to get back on topic before the mods think I got us off topic...Good luck next year.

[quote name="NB-Dawg" post="1188684" timestamp="1330527118"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=96858.msg1188660#msg1188660 date=1330526048] [quote author=DOGS1988 link=topic=96858.msg1188598#msg1188598 date=1330522850] Good job Bulldogs! You never backed down last night. I agree, this will be a very exciting team to watch next year as they develop.  Another good run boys, we are proud of you guys.  I don't know why "some" insist on making meaningless rude comments on here knowing that we are not in the running anylonger.  Not that it was justified when we were still in it either, but irregardless, no way for mature adults to behave knowing most of these YOUNG players come on here and read what is being said about them and their fan base (which is their family, friends and community). I guess maturity is too much to ask on this forum.  Ozen...you played well and I wish you the best of luck against Jones.  Bring that "A" game with you Friday and all of us here in 20-4A will be pulling for you guys.  Until next year.... [/quote] It is apparent to me that either you are not an effective reader, or just failed to read what has been said on here for weeks regarding your favorite team by your fanbase...I was not shooting at the kids, I was merely having fun with the other adults from your town...As a matter of fact I posted on "Thoughts on Nederland/Ozen" thread that SPECIFICALLY speak to the kids that may read it...Either brush up on your reading skills, sir, or try reading it more slowly.  Either way you should see that I had great things to say about your beloved Nederland program...everything else was all in good clean fun.....Have a great day. [/quote] Yes, woke up late, and had responsibilities this morning. Not sure what you want me/us to say though. I've already said congrats to Ozen and wished them well for the rest of the season. In regards to your ONE nice post out of 940, do u expect us to merely 'forget' all the negative comments you made towards our team AND community? I don't care where U live and where ur kids go to school, U still have ZERO respect for our team and our fans, and our community. Although you say it, I'm not even convinced you have respect for Coach English as you claim. That is MY opinion, and I'm entitled to it. You can call me a liar, you can try to correct me, and you can even tell someone to go kill themselves, yet you think your comments are harmless? U took plenty of shots on our kids/team. P-lease. At least 5 different people have called you out over the past 2 days, het you claim it's 'all in fun'. There is a thing called boundaries, and it's time you learn how not to cross them. Gonna take more than one 'nice/sarcastic' comment for us to forget about your arrogance. Again, I (and many others) have said congrats and good luck next round, yet your arrogance continues. Move on to the next game like everyone else who won last night. Go find a way to bring the Houston Jones' fans out (with all of your connections), and tell them (on this board) how Ur team is gonna slap them around on Friday night. Make sure you remind them of how dumb and ignorant they are as well. Good day sir, and good luck to Ur Panthers in Katy. [/quote] Somebody is mad about getting their butt handed to them last night... ::) ::)...Say what you will, I was 100% correct and you can't STAND it...You guys wanna come on here in the name of "being proud" of your community, BRAGGING about being CO-Champs...CO-Champs? yet when what I say comes to pass, I am being arrogant? Please...I saw it...I called it...BOTH times...get out of your feelings for a minute and get over yourselves...YOUR WHOLE FANBASE WHINED the ENTIRE game! Your fans WHINED about not being picked to be the darn favorite...WHO DO YOU GUYS THINK YOU ARE? Really? You pull for your team...wonderful..but don't get upset when everyone does not agree with you...I thought Nederland would beat Dayton, and I said so...I thought they would beat Magnolia, and I SAID SO AS WELL...I thought they would get BEAT by Ozen...AND I SAID THAT TOO. THEN, after all of that I MAKE A THREAD CONGRATULATING the team and coach for an OUTSTANDING YEAR...Then you say thats not enough? Get over yourself...please.

There was no way Wannah and Mike could stop that train yesterday!...Now had we still been at Lutheran North.... ::) ::)....Who knows... ;) ;D

[quote name="The Unknown" post="1188648" timestamp="1330525295"] Dick Vitale How can you say the OZEN staff almost blew something you aways talking down on someone!!!!!!! Are u not the same guy that has had a number of Head coaching job and gotten fired!!!! You are the last one that should be takling about some one who almost blew something!!!!!!!!!!!!! And they don't want your talent no where at OZEN ok let's get that straight so stay your A** where you at and keep hating!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [/quote] I can say it because its the truth! I said "staff" because thats the word that was used by the other poster...Ozen went up 20-6, in the 2nd quarter, and the first 4 minutes of the 2nd, they went into a "stall" handoff game, which IN MY OPINION, took the edge away, got them out of attack mode, and kept them from putting the game away early...Apparently, someone pulled his coattail to it, but IT TOOK AWAY from what they were doing early..If you disagree, you disagree, but THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED in the 2nd quarter..Not saying that the adjustment wasn't made, because obviously it worked out for Ozen in the end...Those kids were about to blow that game wide open...As far as being "fired" goes, it happens...its the business...Bobby Knight was fired...He is in the Hall of Fame, and like me it wasn't about wins and losses...things happen...doesn't mean I don't still know the game!....You just GET a head coaching job, then we will talk...Until then, you may never understand.