Dick Vitale

DID HE TRANSFER FOR ATHLETIC PURPOSES? Its a very simple question and an obvious answer goes with it...And you refuse to do so.....CHECK MATE. ;)

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1229068" timestamp="1339025188"] [quote author=mfd814 link=topic=100336.msg1229064#msg1229064 date=1339024727] I don't understand why people here are so interested in Yates, LOL The players on JV looked really good last year, without there freshamn PG who was out with a knee injury, but is healthy once again.  I know 2 of the other JV players from last year and they were not ready for Varsity ball, but my my how they have gotten better.  I cannot wait to see how they play this fall, it is great to see young men become better and work so hard. [/quote] I agree.  Just think- not only do you have the good players that are from Yates, but 41 more trying to transfer in.  It makes things more than equitable, dont you agree?  It seems a little silly to suggest that for any reason OTHER than everyone is trying to go to school there, that the team is so good.  I't's gonna take DV a little time to respond because, for the sake of maintaining his self appointed image of " knowing everything" he is going to have to research the 41 incoming freshmen story and try to spin it some way by either saying he knew about it or it is no different than 1 transfer coming to HJ over the last 5 years.  Definitely very "similar' situations. ;D [/quote] So what! 41 STUDENTS want to attend a school that is rich in tradition...Does that mean they were recruited somehow to play basketball? NO...and as for those TEA ratings...I said BISD as a whole, NOT Central High alone....Please do not insult my intelligence by trying to somehow prove that the kid who transferred to HJ did not go for ATHLETIC PURPOSES...NOT TRYING TO HEAR THAT.

[quote name="team first" post="1228974" timestamp="1338998506"] Could wise win at hf, of wos, bc (district champs) no chance in heck. And most parents that value education would get there kids out of bmt to any where else. Be it Kelly, hj, u name it. [/quote] Thats not true at all...I would elaborate, but it would do no good...I know why people on THIS site say that, but just FYI....BISD performed better in the last 10 years than ANY AREA DISTRICT....Look it up. [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=100336.msg1228976#msg1228976 date=1338998768] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228971#msg1228971 date=1338997986] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=100336.msg1228958#msg1228958 date=1338996762] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228860#msg1228860 date=1338946063] Like I said...CASE CLOSED...They sat, played JV, now they are CLEAR...No questions asked...OHHHHH, but MY question was never answered about Hardin Jefferson. HAVE THEY HAD A PLAYER IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS TRANSFER INTO THEIR SCHOOL FOR ATHLETIC PURPOSES? I know the answer to that one, just want to make sure a certain poster understands the definition of "transferring for athletic purposes".... ::) [/quote] Last I checked, HJ was the better team last year (since they beat Bmt Central). You want us to believe that he left an inferior team (Central) so he could get more PT at a superior school?? Hmmm?? [/quote] SUPERIOR? Man you sound crazy! :o...I am not going to discuss in detail or call out kids by name, but if you are trying to convince me that ANY kid would leave a Beaumont school and play for HJ just for the sake of "academics" you can stop right now. [/quote] Didn't HJ beat Central last year? You claim that he transferred to HJ bc he was not getting enough PT, right? So he goes to a school with a better basketball team? How does that make sense? If you were sitting the bench at Kansas State, would you transfer to Kansas in hope of more PT?? [/quote] You CANNOT compare the two...HJ has an outstanding coaching staff and basketball program...Central has neither, so why would a kid leave Central to go to HJ?....BASKETBALL PROGRAM

[quote name="Honest Abe" post="1228958" timestamp="1338996762"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228860#msg1228860 date=1338946063] Like I said...CASE CLOSED...They sat, played JV, now they are CLEAR...No questions asked...OHHHHH, but MY question was never answered about Hardin Jefferson. HAVE THEY HAD A PLAYER IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS TRANSFER INTO THEIR SCHOOL FOR ATHLETIC PURPOSES? I know the answer to that one, just want to make sure a certain poster understands the definition of "transferring for athletic purposes".... ::) [/quote] Last I checked, HJ was the better team last year (since they beat Bmt Central). You want us to believe that he left an inferior team (Central) so he could get more PT at a superior school?? Hmmm?? [/quote] SUPERIOR? Man you sound crazy! :o...I am not going to discuss in detail or call out kids by name, but if you are trying to convince me that ANY kid would leave a Beaumont school and play for HJ just for the sake of "academics" you can stop right now. 

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1228944" timestamp="1338992636"] You are right.  And Dickie will declare him as homegrown [/quote] So is Beaumont now considered the Greater Sour Lake area?  ::) ::) Nash, kids transfer.....it happens...Its the new culture in high school athletics...I don't necessarily agree with it, but it is what it is...No harm in it....Just stop criticizing others as if it doesn't happen in your own backyard.

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1228865" timestamp="1338947120"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228860#msg1228860 date=1338946063] Like I said...CASE CLOSED...They sat, played JV, now they are CLEAR...No questions asked...OHHHHH, but MY question was never answered about Hardin Jefferson. HAVE THEY HAD A PLAYER IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS TRANSFER INTO THEIR SCHOOL FOR ATHLETIC PURPOSES? I know the answer to that one, just want to make sure a certain poster understands the definition of "transferring for athletic purposes".... ::) [/quote] Dickie- I understand that definition EVERY BIT AS WELL as you ever did.  I have been married to an educator for more years than you have been in this world, and have two other educators in my immediate family, so you neednt worry about my understanding of definitions pertaining to education.  Do you  understand what a blatant lie it is to keep saying that all of Yates players are homegrown when so many had to sit out a year and, at the same time, Westend gave you the names of 4 players who transferred in from other schools? [/quote] They are as "home grown" as your boys from Sour Lake....Born and raised in Houston! ;) [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=100336.msg1228867#msg1228867 date=1338947230] The best players for Yates are not homegrown.. They are transfers.. But Yates follows the rules of transfers so that they dont get in trouble [/quote] I will go with that... 8)

Like I said...CASE CLOSED...They sat, played JV, now they are CLEAR...No questions asked...OHHHHH, but MY question was never answered about Hardin Jefferson. HAVE THEY HAD A PLAYER IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS TRANSFER INTO THEIR SCHOOL FOR ATHLETIC PURPOSES? I know the answer to that one, just want to make sure a certain poster understands the definition of "transferring for athletic purposes".... ::)

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="1228827" timestamp="1338937654"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228826#msg1228826 date=1338937403] That WAS the ruling of the DEC.  They could not stop the transfer, and it was concluded that the transfers were NOT exclusively for athletc purposes. HOWEVER they were made to sit (play JV) due to the residency establishment rule. They did that. Its over. End of discussion. Kids are eligible to play varsity next season. No questions asked. [/quote] So, the DEC, by your own words did rule that their move was due to athletic reason, albeit not exclusively. Sorry, but your responses are creating many more questions than answers. [/quote] Stop trying to put me on the witness stand here...I SAID IT WAS RULED THAT NO ONE HAS TRANSFERRED TO YATES FOR ATHLETIC PURPOSES. They sat to fulfill the residency requirement for HISD ATHLETICS.

That WAS the ruling of the DEC.  They could not stop the transfer, and it was concluded that the transfers were NOT exclusively for athletc purposes. HOWEVER they were made to sit (play JV) due to the residency establishment rule. They did that. Its over. End of discussion. Kids are eligible to play varsity next season. No questions asked. Question: Has ANY kid moved to HJ for athletic purposes in the last FIVE years? Yes, I already know the answer to that one. Unless you want to continue to say that kids come for the scenery and academics only.... ::)..Yes unhappy about playing JV ball and moving means that he moved strictly for athletic purposes.

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="1228796" timestamp="1338930969"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228780#msg1228780 date=1338928574] [quote author=WOSgrad link=topic=100336.msg1228776#msg1228776 date=1338928243] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228775#msg1228775 date=1338928108] [quote author=WOSgrad link=topic=100336.msg1228772#msg1228772 date=1338927881] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228769#msg1228769 date=1338927624] [quote author=WOSgrad link=topic=100336.msg1228768#msg1228768 date=1338927520] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100336.msg1228767#msg1228767 date=1338927099] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228761#msg1228761 date=1338926799] Apparently, they were deemed eligible after sitting out from varsity competition for one calendar year. They sat out while playing junior varsity. NOW they are eligible without question. No further discussion needed. [/quote] TRANSLATION- They are NOT homegrown but I have to find ways to say it so it doesnt look like I said something that was not true. [/quote] And I will ask you, Mr. Nash, as you have [b]verifiable[/b] close ties to the coaching staff at Hardin-Jefferson, how many years did the young man who came in from Beaumont have to sit out before playing varsity for the Hawks? [/quote] He didn't...pays to have "connections" within the cozy confines of the UIL. ::) [/quote] And what connections are those? [/quote] They know who I am referring to..You have to be "connected" to even know about it.... ;) WOS, I know the Yates kids were under a LOT of scrutiny, and the ones that transferred to Yates were inspected with a fine tooth comb...They were made to play JV in order to eliminate any thought of wrong doing. They have done so..Ironically they had ZERO transfers during the 2011-12 school year..Not one...Let some posters tell it, they have them EVERY YEAR..This is a fallacy. [/quote] No, I don't know. Enlighten me. By the way, I still have heard from you what provision of Chapter 440 did the players that had to "sit out" did not meet. [/quote] It was the established one year residence requirement, from what I understand.  The two kids in question now live in the Yates (HISD) attendance zone, but had to establish residency there for one calendar year. They have now satisfied it. Done. [/quote] Now, according to Chapter 440, a kid would be ineligible for varsity activities for a year is if:  1) they attended a school which wasn't in the attendance zone in their parents reside, 2) they transferred from a school in a district where there is no zoning amongst the multiple schools and the young man (or woman) has transferred from one school to another or 3) were deemed to have transferred for athletic purposes. [Hidden Content] Now, instance No. 2 does not apply to HISD as their schools do have defined attendance zones, according to their policy: [Hidden Content] And in fact, here is the HISD map for Jack Yates High: [Hidden Content] So my question is:  Did those that have to sit out have parents who live outside of the attendance zone of Yates or were the young men deemed by their district's executive committee to have transferred for athletic purposes? [/quote] While you are pulling out the rules don't forget the one that says: If a student attends a school that has a MAGNET PROGRAM that is not offered at his or her zoned school, the student may attend that school at the request of the parents and approval of the receiving school.

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="1228776" timestamp="1338928243"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228775#msg1228775 date=1338928108] [quote author=WOSgrad link=topic=100336.msg1228772#msg1228772 date=1338927881] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228769#msg1228769 date=1338927624] [quote author=WOSgrad link=topic=100336.msg1228768#msg1228768 date=1338927520] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100336.msg1228767#msg1228767 date=1338927099] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228761#msg1228761 date=1338926799] Apparently, they were deemed eligible after sitting out from varsity competition for one calendar year. They sat out while playing junior varsity. NOW they are eligible without question. No further discussion needed. [/quote] TRANSLATION- They are NOT homegrown but I have to find ways to say it so it doesnt look like I said something that was not true. [/quote] And I will ask you, Mr. Nash, as you have [b]verifiable[/b] close ties to the coaching staff at Hardin-Jefferson, how many years did the young man who came in from Beaumont have to sit out before playing varsity for the Hawks? [/quote] He didn't...pays to have "connections" within the cozy confines of the UIL. ::) [/quote] And what connections are those? [/quote] They know who I am referring to..You have to be "connected" to even know about it.... ;) WOS, I know the Yates kids were under a LOT of scrutiny, and the ones that transferred to Yates were inspected with a fine tooth comb...They were made to play JV in order to eliminate any thought of wrong doing. They have done so..Ironically they had ZERO transfers during the 2011-12 school year..Not one...Let some posters tell it, they have them EVERY YEAR..This is a fallacy. [/quote] No, I don't know. Enlighten me. By the way, I still have heard from you what provision of Chapter 440 did the players that had to "sit out" did not meet. [/quote] It was the established one year residence requirement, from what I understand.  The two kids in question now live in the Yates (HISD) attendance zone, but had to establish residency there for one calendar year. They have now satisfied it. Done.

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="1228772" timestamp="1338927881"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228769#msg1228769 date=1338927624] [quote author=WOSgrad link=topic=100336.msg1228768#msg1228768 date=1338927520] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100336.msg1228767#msg1228767 date=1338927099] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228761#msg1228761 date=1338926799] Apparently, they were deemed eligible after sitting out from varsity competition for one calendar year. They sat out while playing junior varsity. NOW they are eligible without question. No further discussion needed. [/quote] TRANSLATION- They are NOT homegrown but I have to find ways to say it so it doesnt look like I said something that was not true. [/quote] And I will ask you, Mr. Nash, as you have [b]verifiable[/b] close ties to the coaching staff at Hardin-Jefferson, how many years did the young man who came in from Beaumont have to sit out before playing varsity for the Hawks? [/quote] He didn't...pays to have "connections" within the cozy confines of the UIL. ::) [/quote] And what connections are those? [/quote] They know who I am referring to..You have to be "connected" to even know about it.... ;) WOS, I know the Yates kids were under a LOT of scrutiny, and the ones that transferred to Yates were inspected with a fine tooth comb...They were made to play JV in order to eliminate any thought of wrong doing. They have done so..Ironically they had ZERO transfers during the 2011-12 school year..Not one...Let some posters tell it, they have them EVERY YEAR..This is a fallacy.

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="1228768" timestamp="1338927520"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100336.msg1228767#msg1228767 date=1338927099] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228761#msg1228761 date=1338926799] Apparently, they were deemed eligible after sitting out from varsity competition for one calendar year. They sat out while playing junior varsity. NOW they are eligible without question. No further discussion needed. [/quote] TRANSLATION- They are NOT homegrown but I have to find ways to say it so it doesnt look like I said something that was not true. [/quote] And I will ask you, Mr. Nash, as you have [b]verifiable[/b] close ties to the coaching staff at Hardin-Jefferson, how many years did the young man who came in from Beaumont have to sit out before playing varsity for the Hawks? [/quote] He didn't...pays to have "connections" within the cozy confines of the UIL. ::)

Apparently, they were deemed eligible after sitting out from varsity competition for one calendar year. They sat out while playing junior varsity. NOW they are eligible without question. No further discussion needed.

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="1228718" timestamp="1338923663"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228654#msg1228654 date=1338918393] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=100336.msg1228632#msg1228632 date=1338914072] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=100336.msg1228628#msg1228628 date=1338913758] I am not a person who worships Yates, but I am a realist.. After Yates gets those players from their JV up to Varsity, since they had to sit a year, added with the returners from last year, All I can say is that 3A is in serious trouble [/quote] Those players mentioned earlier have already sat out their year. They all played varsity last season. [/quote] No AAW, they have a few other kids that played JV and sat out last season.... [/quote] Those kids that "played JV and sat out last season."  Why did they sit out? [/quote] Because Greg Wise follows rules and refuses to use his "connection" to the UIL as an advantage as SOME schools tend to do.

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1228690" timestamp="1338921798"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228663#msg1228663 date=1338918916] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100336.msg1228658#msg1228658 date=1338918681] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228654#msg1228654 date=1338918393] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=100336.msg1228632#msg1228632 date=1338914072] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=100336.msg1228628#msg1228628 date=1338913758] I am not a person who worships Yates, but I am a realist.. After Yates gets those players from their JV up to Varsity, since they had to sit a year, added with the returners from last year, All I can say is that 3A is in serious trouble [/quote] Those players mentioned earlier have already sat out their year. They all played varsity last season. [/quote] No AAW, they have a few other kids that played JV and sat out last season.... [/quote] All "home grown" of course [/quote] Just as "home grown" as the HJ kids.... ::) [/quote] Nope- 11 of the 12 HJ varsity players have been in the system since at least the 6th grade.  Westend already llisted 4 players that transferred from other schools.  Your statement sounds good to you but is no where close to true. [/quote] Sure they have...just as 14 of the 15 Dallas Kimball players....but THEY are in the middle of an investigation that could possibly take their state title away this year....and for good reason..THEY broke the rules.

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1228658" timestamp="1338918681"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228654#msg1228654 date=1338918393] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=100336.msg1228632#msg1228632 date=1338914072] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=100336.msg1228628#msg1228628 date=1338913758] I am not a person who worships Yates, but I am a realist.. After Yates gets those players from their JV up to Varsity, since they had to sit a year, added with the returners from last year, All I can say is that 3A is in serious trouble [/quote] Those players mentioned earlier have already sat out their year. They all played varsity last season. [/quote] No AAW, they have a few other kids that played JV and sat out last season.... [/quote] All "home grown" of course [/quote] Just as "home grown" as the HJ kids.... ::)

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1228632" timestamp="1338914072"] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=100336.msg1228628#msg1228628 date=1338913758] I am not a person who worships Yates, but I am a realist.. After Yates gets those players from their JV up to Varsity, since they had to sit a year, added with the returners from last year, All I can say is that 3A is in serious trouble [/quote] Those players mentioned earlier have already sat out their year. They all played varsity last season. [/quote] No AAW, they have a few other kids that played JV and sat out last season....

Bluedove, you know better than that......Yates would smack HJ by 50, then get accused of recruiting by a few posters on here....When they know darn well that all of their guys were certainly not "home grown" themselves...50...ESPECIALLY next season...50...I would encourage Coach Wise to make a statement in that game, if it were to happen... ;) ;D ;D...(Of course I am kidding)

Ford Park? Who do they think they are...Yates and Wheatley???  8) ;D

[quote name="dogs1218" post="1228345" timestamp="1338768539"] Nothing against Wise, but It doesnt take a basketball guru to run a full-court run-and-jump press with players that are taller than the other team.. You think the dominance was something in 4A? Name one 3A team that can handle Yates.. Go on.. I will be waiting [/quote] See, its not JUST pressing..thats where people are mistaken..Its constant pressure defense, DISCIPLINE, smart transition, and non stop running...You are right, though...At this point, I do not see any 3A team beating them next season...They will not go completely un-challenged, I don't think, but they will definitely be a tough out in class 3A next year.

[quote name="jenks" post="1228334" timestamp="1338762056"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=100336.msg1228256#msg1228256 date=1338725720] [quote author=jenks link=topic=100336.msg1228247#msg1228247 date=1338699734] You must dream about Yates or something. Not worried about Yates, they recruit well, but some of us do also. Teams change every year. [/quote]Dream on jenks ;) Yates does not recruit. "Build and they shall follow." [/quote] I am from Houston also. Sometimes those HISD coaches are not the best quality coaches. When they play some well coached 21-3a teams they will be out coached. [/quote] Against MOST HISD coaches these days, I would have to agree with that statement...But against Yates, that will not be an advantage for 21-3A...But you are right, there are very few quality HISD basketball coaches...They have either retired or moved on to other districts...Facilities among other things make it hard to attract quality coaches in HISD...Wise is one of the best in HISD...He is one of about 4, honestly that are even OK head coaches...Its a bad situation overall, but Wise is a good one.

[quote name="lamar73!" post="1228284" timestamp="1338736021"] Don't think that was a legitimate answer to a legitimate ? [/quote] No, but it sure was funny! and TRUE! ;D

[quote name="lamar73!" post="1228283" timestamp="1338735962"] Never once echoed a negative word against Yates basketball program. My complaint is directed towards the foaming at the mouth of their greatness. Also how they will end all chances for any other 3a program to a chance to win state.  Any team that experiences success will have endure their fair share of critics.  On the other hand, their success speaks for it self and does not need to continually flaunted.  [/quote] Dove and I are just having fun with the area guys, really...I know that they will not just hand the 3A title to Yates next year, BUT.... ::) ::) 8).....I wouldn't bet against them either! ;)

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1228263" timestamp="1338728878"] [quote author=lamar73! link=topic=100336.msg1228258#msg1228258 date=1338726737] I wonder if Vitale and Dove have a multitude of Yates basketball pics glued to the walls of their bedrooms.  Seems to me there is some stalking tendencies going on here. I thought society gave up polytheism years ago. It is sickening to hear the continued onslaught of Yate's greatness.  So what if a local team gets beat down in the regionals or deep in the playoffs by Sir Yates, at least they can say they made it to that level.  Getting beat 50 or 1 point it all spells defeat the same way. [/quote] No pictures but I DEFINITELY have years of fond memories beating Yates during high school. ;) And its just as sickening to keep reading that Yates is cheating to win. They are not cheating- some of you have [u]misdirected[/u] hater issues. [/quote] I could not had said it better, Bluedove!! Once again, when KINGWOOD was benefitting from players and getting to Austin, cheating was NEVER a word that came out of these people's mouth here...funny, huh? ::)....Dove and I are both FROM Houston, and the Yates coach is from my father's coaching tree, and is a family friend....Therefore I am going to let you people know the truth...I am also sick of seeing you folks on here accusing them of recruiting because they are winning. Just not fair to those kids or to Coach Wise.