Dick Vitale

I will say this one more time....Wise has NEVER coached a kid in the summer that he coaches at Yates.  Period.

You folks have been questioning Yates for YEARS now, and not one kid has been considered ineligible on their varsity...when does it stop?

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1229781" timestamp="1339382093"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100318.msg1229778#msg1229778 date=1339381474] [quote author=east texas bb link=topic=100318.msg1229776#msg1229776 date=1339380790] Kountzer, you are correct.  High school basketball is losing all of the purity that it has, the charter and magnet schools and UIL and TEA not being able to be on the same page have allowed the AAU "characters" to come in a start a school around a group of kids or for a coach to pretty much say open campus. There is not purity in HS basketball and it will lose its allure as it has already done for some people that use to like high school hoops, and like most things I suspect it will run a cycle and something will happen in a few years to curve the way it is done now because you could easliy put an asterick by many of the State Championships as it has been the last 3-7 years.  High School coaches are worried about the purity of basketball in this state, which cause alot of quality coaches to leave or wait until the UIL finally does something.  Most know about Yates and Kimball, Triple A Academy, these places do not know what they are doing to High School basketball.  They will end up ruining basketball, when basketball was finally gaining a foot hold on football in this State.  [/quote] Once again, as many others have done before you, you're speaking about something you do not know.  As far as Yates goes they are getting a very unfair shake here...People have tried to prove wrong doing, but to no avail, yet they are convicted of cheating in the court of public opinion.  I DESPISE what the AAU has done to influence high school athletics. It will run its course as you said, but its just not fair to finger schools and programs that have not done anything illegal.  I know the Yates head coach very well...Heck he is like family to us...Do any of you know how and why Wise got involved with AAU? HIS SONS...His oldest son, Nic, asked him to be their coach when he was a 9 year old playing for the Houston Hoops...He agreed, coached them, then became a summer fixture with the Hoops, but he never coached ANY YATES PLAYERS in the summer...not one...Yet he has been accused time and again of recruiting...Its just not accurate, and its not fair. [/quote] Why, do you think that so many "ill informed " people ( because only you know what is "really going on") choose to make such a suggestion about Yates? [/quote] Because they REALLY DON'T KNOW...As I have said before, when certain teams are successful, people often times want to know why, and if they don't know they automatically assume that cheating must be going on.  Remember more people are NOT in the know than those of us that usually are...You have your ties to HJ don't you? And if someone says HJ is doing something that you are sure they are not, you are going to say something about it, BECAUSE YOU KNOW...Same goes for me.

[quote name="east texas bb" post="1229776" timestamp="1339380790"] Kountzer, you are correct.  High school basketball is losing all of the purity that it has, the charter and magnet schools and UIL and TEA not being able to be on the same page have allowed the AAU "characters" to come in a start a school around a group of kids or for a coach to pretty much say open campus. There is not purity in HS basketball and it will lose its allure as it has already done for some people that use to like high school hoops, and like most things I suspect it will run a cycle and something will happen in a few years to curve the way it is done now because you could easliy put an asterick by many of the State Championships as it has been the last 3-7 years.  High School coaches are worried about the purity of basketball in this state, which cause alot of quality coaches to leave or wait until the UIL finally does something.  Most know about Yates and Kimball, Triple A Academy, these places do not know what they are doing to High School basketball.  They will end up ruining basketball, when basketball was finally gaining a foot hold on football in this State.  [/quote] Once again, as many others have done before you, you're speaking about something you do not know.  As far as Yates goes they are getting a very unfair shake here...People have tried to prove wrong doing, but to no avail, yet they are convicted of cheating in the court of public opinion.  I DESPISE what the AAU has done to influence high school athletics. It will run its course as you said, but its just not fair to finger schools and programs that have not done anything illegal.  I know the Yates head coach very well...Heck he is like family to us...Do any of you know how and why Wise got involved with AAU? HIS SONS...His oldest son, Nic, asked him to be their coach when he was a 9 year old playing for the Houston Hoops...He agreed, coached them, then became a summer fixture with the Hoops, but he never coached ANY YATES PLAYERS in the summer...not one...Yet he has been accused time and again of recruiting...Its just not accurate, and its not fair.

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="1229759" timestamp="1339377450"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1229757#msg1229757 date=1339377194] [quote author=WOSgrad link=topic=100336.msg1229756#msg1229756 date=1339377116] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1229755#msg1229755 date=1339377059] Narrow minded and extremely biased..... ::) [/quote] Now that is a self portrait if I have ever heard of one. [/quote] Thats your opinion....so what? Who are you? [/quote] One of [size=20pt]MANY!!! [/quote] EVERYONE on this site has their biases....I just don't think that certain people even realize it. [quote author=team first link=topic=100336.msg1229761#msg1229761 date=1339377778] Count me as one of many [/quote] So...again..who are you? I don't think that you guys realize that I don't NEED any of your approval.. ::)

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="1229756" timestamp="1339377116"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1229755#msg1229755 date=1339377059] Narrow minded and extremely biased..... ::) [/quote] Now that is a self portrait if I have ever heard of one. [/quote] Thats your opinion....so what? Who are you?

Narrow minded and extremely biased..... ::)

Please do....I would be interested to know....thanks.

I forgot the guy's name but he was an assistant at Galena Park before going to RSS....Tall, black guy...Darn it, I can't remember his name to save my life right now!!  :o....Anyway, I thought RSS would promote him to head coach...

He left about 2 weeks ago...Are they not promoting an assistant?

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="1229591" timestamp="1339278039"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1229586#msg1229586 date=1339277133] [quote author=WOSgrad link=topic=100336.msg1229582#msg1229582 date=1339276158] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1229579#msg1229579 date=1339275736] [quote author=WOSgrad link=topic=100336.msg1229576#msg1229576 date=1339274712] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1229566#msg1229566 date=1339270458] [quote author=WOSgrad link=topic=100336.msg1229565#msg1229565 date=1339269694] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=100336.msg1229525#msg1229525 date=1339247425] Ah, unlike suburban schools who don't cater to the lower socio-eco students, principals who have no choice but to take in troublesome students (somebody has to teach them) and mix them in with students who want to learn, I think should get principal of the year. More challenging. See, a low performing school does not mean students are not learning, it means those schools deal with issues suburban schools don't have to deal with. Kids at Yates are learning but the negative news outweighs the good. [/quote] First, lower socio-eco students are not strictly the province of urban school districts.  Second, unlike is apparently the case in HISD where attendance zones for districts mean squat, the rural districts are under more constraints as they must cater to all who are in their attendance zone.  If such rigid constraints were in place for HISD, we'd be a lot less likely to be having this discussion. [/quote] I call BS on that statement, WOSgrad!! You think there are any low socio-economic kids at Kingwood High? What about Cinco Ranch? Heck no! Urban schools deal with MANY more issues than you realize...MANY MORE...Come on, man, you know better than that.. :o [/quote] They are public schools which means they have kids in their zones, regardless of issue.  I know that BOTH schools that you mentioned that have low socio economic kids.....they just don't complain about them. [/quote] Come on man, there are NO project kids in EITHER school that I just named! NOT ONE! Try that on a guy thats not FROM Houston..PLEASE! ::) [/quote] First, 1 of every 10 kids that attends Cinco Ranch High is classified as economically disadvantaged.  At Kingwood, it is a little lower, about one in about every 17. Second, how is it that that a lower socio-economic student can't be taught to pass a basic skills test?  That sounds incredibly stereotypical....some might say......naahhhhhh, you wouldn't play that card, ever, would you? For someone FROM Houston, you haven't the clue of what is going on in the area. [/quote] Once again..BS!! You gonna say that as if I am supposed to believe those fake stats, when I KNOW BETTER? Get outta here, man... ::) [/quote] What do HISD schools Austin, Davis, Furr, Lee, Madison, Milby, Reagan, Sterling. Scarborough and Chavez have in common. Well, 2 things.  First, All of these high schools were rated academically acceptable by the TEA. Second, Austin (95%), Davis (94%), Furr (92%), Lee (88%), Madison (77%), Milby (82%), Reagan (79%), Sterling (78%), Scarborough (77%) and Chavez (87%) all have a high percentage of financially disadvantaged students than Yates (69%). Source:[Hidden Content] If my stats are "fake," where are yours?  Just like any other thread you post in, all rhetoric, no basis. APPARENTLY, YOU DON'T KNOW BETTER. You got another quarter, you can insert and play again! [/quote] OK..whatever..my "rhetoric" is based off of the fact that I KNOW better than some guy from Orange who has too much time on his hands pulling up inaccurate stats...You can have this one on SETX sports...I know the deal...Good game...*DONE w/discussion*

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="1229582" timestamp="1339276158"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1229579#msg1229579 date=1339275736] [quote author=WOSgrad link=topic=100336.msg1229576#msg1229576 date=1339274712] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1229566#msg1229566 date=1339270458] [quote author=WOSgrad link=topic=100336.msg1229565#msg1229565 date=1339269694] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=100336.msg1229525#msg1229525 date=1339247425] Ah, unlike suburban schools who don't cater to the lower socio-eco students, principals who have no choice but to take in troublesome students (somebody has to teach them) and mix them in with students who want to learn, I think should get principal of the year. More challenging. See, a low performing school does not mean students are not learning, it means those schools deal with issues suburban schools don't have to deal with. Kids at Yates are learning but the negative news outweighs the good. [/quote] First, lower socio-eco students are not strictly the province of urban school districts.  Second, unlike is apparently the case in HISD where attendance zones for districts mean squat, the rural districts are under more constraints as they must cater to all who are in their attendance zone.  If such rigid constraints were in place for HISD, we'd be a lot less likely to be having this discussion. [/quote] I call BS on that statement, WOSgrad!! You think there are any low socio-economic kids at Kingwood High? What about Cinco Ranch? Heck no! Urban schools deal with MANY more issues than you realize...MANY MORE...Come on, man, you know better than that.. :o [/quote] They are public schools which means they have kids in their zones, regardless of issue.  I know that BOTH schools that you mentioned that have low socio economic kids.....they just don't complain about them. [/quote] Come on man, there are NO project kids in EITHER school that I just named! NOT ONE! Try that on a guy thats not FROM Houston..PLEASE! ::) [/quote] First, 1 of every 10 kids that attends Cinco Ranch High is classified as economically disadvantaged.  At Kingwood, it is a little lower, about one in about every 17. Second, how is it that that a lower socio-economic student can't be taught to pass a basic skills test?  That sounds incredibly stereotypical....some might say......naahhhhhh, you wouldn't play that card, ever, would you? For someone FROM Houston, you haven't the clue of what is going on in the area. [/quote] Once again..BS!! You gonna say that as if I am supposed to believe those fake stats, when I KNOW BETTER? Get outta here, man... ::)

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="1229576" timestamp="1339274712"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1229566#msg1229566 date=1339270458] [quote author=WOSgrad link=topic=100336.msg1229565#msg1229565 date=1339269694] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=100336.msg1229525#msg1229525 date=1339247425] Ah, unlike suburban schools who don't cater to the lower socio-eco students, principals who have no choice but to take in troublesome students (somebody has to teach them) and mix them in with students who want to learn, I think should get principal of the year. More challenging. See, a low performing school does not mean students are not learning, it means those schools deal with issues suburban schools don't have to deal with. Kids at Yates are learning but the negative news outweighs the good. [/quote] First, lower socio-eco students are not strictly the province of urban school districts.  Second, unlike is apparently the case in HISD where attendance zones for districts mean squat, the rural districts are under more constraints as they must cater to all who are in their attendance zone.  If such rigid constraints were in place for HISD, we'd be a lot less likely to be having this discussion. [/quote] I call BS on that statement, WOSgrad!! You think there are any low socio-economic kids at Kingwood High? What about Cinco Ranch? Heck no! Urban schools deal with MANY more issues than you realize...MANY MORE...Come on, man, you know better than that.. :o [/quote] They are public schools which means they have kids in their zones, regardless of issue.  I know that BOTH schools that you mentioned that have low socio economic kids.....they just don't complain about them. [/quote] Come on man, there are NO project kids in EITHER school that I just named! NOT ONE! Try that on a guy thats not FROM Houston..PLEASE! ::)

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="1229565" timestamp="1339269694"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=100336.msg1229525#msg1229525 date=1339247425] Ah, unlike suburban schools who don't cater to the lower socio-eco students, principals who have no choice but to take in troublesome students (somebody has to teach them) and mix them in with students who want to learn, I think should get principal of the year. More challenging. See, a low performing school does not mean students are not learning, it means those schools deal with issues suburban schools don't have to deal with. Kids at Yates are learning but the negative news outweighs the good. [/quote] First, lower socio-eco students are not strictly the province of urban school districts.  Second, unlike is apparently the case in HISD where attendance zones for districts mean squat, the rural districts are under more constraints as they must cater to all who are in their attendance zone.  If such rigid constraints were in place for HISD, we'd be a lot less likely to be having this discussion. [/quote] I call BS on that statement, WOSgrad!! You think there are any low socio-economic kids at Kingwood High? What about Cinco Ranch? Heck no! Urban schools deal with MANY more issues than you realize...MANY MORE...Come on, man, you know better than that.. :o

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="1229532" timestamp="1339252329"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=100336.msg1229525#msg1229525 date=1339247425] Ah, unlike suburban schools who don't cater to the lower socio-eco students, principals who have no choice but to take in troublesome students (somebody has to teach them) and mix them in with students who want to learn, I think should get principal of the year. More challenging. See, a low performing school does not mean students are not learning, it means those schools deal with issues suburban schools don't have to deal with. Kids at Yates are learning but the negative news outweighs the good. [/quote] 2011 TEA Yates Rating: Unacceptable [/quote] What is West Orange Starks rating? ::) ::)

No, the principal of the year is at PA Memorial.... ;)

And a state ranked 3A basketball program... ::) 8)

If you kill 1 person, or 41, you still go to prison.....My point is you cannot continue to slap Yates on the wrist with allegations, when HJ has done (accepted transfers) the EXACT same thing!

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1229175" timestamp="1339085623"] According to Johnson's transfer paperwork, he did not move to HJ for athletic reasons, therefore he was allowed to play varsity ball the first year, unlike those at Yates (and sadly, even Silsbee) had to play JV ball their first year of transfer. It was deemed they moved for athletic reasons or had not established residency. [/quote] The issue at Yates WAS residency.  I know what the paperwork may say in the HJ case but, do you honestly think that kids parents said: Hmmmm, I think we will enroll our son in HJISD because they have better scenery and the academics are better..." NO....Resounding NO...

;D ;D ;D

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1229165" timestamp="1339082647"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1229164#msg1229164 date=1339082571] [quote author=WOSgrad link=topic=100336.msg1229156#msg1229156 date=1339080092] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100336.msg1229151#msg1229151 date=1339079277] I think most on here (if not everyone) will find that your "personal guarantee" on this issue is no more credible than your "instinct" that George Zimmerman was a racist seeking to shoot a black person.  Should we start a poll and see if I am right or wrong? [/quote] You forgot his iron clad guarantee in this very forum that Houston ISD was going to appeal the placing of, ironically, the same Yates High School in 3A.  And that HISD had "miscounted" the Yates student population. [/quote] And they DID WANT to appeal it but the HISD administration said no...However you both conveniently forgot to answer my question to you both...HAS HJ HAD A PLAYER TRANSFER FOR ATHLETIC PURPOSES IN THE LAST 5 YEARS? We all KNOW the answer, I just want to know if you will man up and admit to the truth. [/quote] The answer is NO- Just like the 41 Yates applicants are going there for academic excellence. [/quote] LIAR! 8)

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="1229156" timestamp="1339080092"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100336.msg1229151#msg1229151 date=1339079277] I think most on here (if not everyone) will find that your "personal guarantee" on this issue is no more credible than your "instinct" that George Zimmerman was a racist seeking to shoot a black person.  Should we start a poll and see if I am right or wrong? [/quote] You forgot his iron clad guarantee in this very forum that Houston ISD was going to appeal the placing of, ironically, the same Yates High School in 3A.  And that HISD had "miscounted" the Yates student population. [/quote] And they DID WANT to appeal it but the HISD administration said no...However you both conveniently forgot to answer my question to you both...HAS HJ HAD A PLAYER TRANSFER FOR ATHLETIC PURPOSES IN THE LAST 5 YEARS? We all KNOW the answer, I just want to know if you will man up and admit to the truth.

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="1229147" timestamp="1339078653"] This question appeared on the PAPF form of the transfer to H-J: "Based on your knowledge of the student and their circumstances, is this student changing schools for athletic purposes?" The box was checked "no" and signed by Rodney Saveat and a Central high official.  Are you calling them liars? [/quote] Nope...certain guys have the attitude that if he wants to leave, let them go...I think, knowing Rodney Savaet, that was his stance.. [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100336.msg1229146#msg1229146 date=1339078455] DV- If I am understanding you correctly, this is what you are suggesting: 1.  There is a strong possibility that the transfer from Central to HJ (again 1 in five years) transferred for athletic purposes 2.  At the same time, the 41 kids( not one infive years but FORTY ONE RIGHT NOW- yet you wish to consider them as similar circumstances) who are trying to get into Yates are NOT trying to join the basketball program and have NEVER had a conversation with Mr. Wise about joining the program prior to submitting their application. When you have a chance, get on google and try to find something that will instruct you about joining the real world. [/quote] Who says they are NOT coming for other reasons other than basketball? Yates has a magnet school of communications careers, you know...Kids love radio and television too...I GUARANTEE they are not all basketball related..Not even 1/4 of them...1/8!....1/10th!! GUARANTEE IT..

Are there 41 kids coming in to play basketball? HECK NO...DID HJ GET A KID THAT TRANSFERRED FOR ATHLETIC PURPOSES OR NOT? That is the million dollar question.. ::)

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="1229135" timestamp="1339074640"] I've answered your question.....no, he did not. I've shown the reasonable academic argument for it, I've got two signatures from the "jilted" Beaumont ISD that say it. Just because you don't like my answer doesn't mean I haven't answered the question. Now, did the PAPF forms for those young men that had to "sit out and play JV" have the same signatures?  Evidently not. [/quote] WOS grad, I call BS...Those academic arguments are weak as water...Its not like Central was about to be shut down by TEA due to low scores!! They were MOSTLY acceptable and even Recognized...THATS BS...You KNOW, but will NEVER admit that HJ has gotten the fortune of transfers just as Yates has...Maybe not as many, but its all relative....YOU CANNOT TELL ME THAT A KID WOULD LEAVE CENTRAL FOR HJ FOR ACADEMICS...PLEASE! It was 100% basketball related...Do not insult people's intelligence on here trying to make the academic argument.