Separation night in 20-4a

[jake94]

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If Vidorians have the best D in the district how come they have a L in distict...
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I agree that it would be a different outcome. Ned would win by double digits now if you ask me. Raines was coming off an injury against BH and was not very sharp vs. Vidor. The offensive line has really come into it's own the past few weeks and the running game as well as Raines are getting better and better. The defense is also 100 percent healthy now and were missing 3 or 4
starters vs Vidor.  I can't remember if Pryor played that night but I know Hopkins, Taylor, and Stampley didn't. Put your focus on Central, Png, and Livingston and earn a playoff spot. Worrying about what could have been 4 weeks ago is useless.



Were you at the Vidor Nederland game? No i don't think you were so you honestly can't say much about that "L" in our district game. Anyone who was at that game knows full well that we gave Nederland the best game they have had this year and we gave them that game with our LEADING RUSHER at the time out of the game. Not taking anything away from Nederland. They did what they needed to do to win. But IMO [b]they got lucky[/b] and if Nederland and Vidor met again it would be a different outcome.
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Well if we are lucky, then we have been lucky all year, except for BH when I guess our luck ran out....but wait if our luck ran out at the BH game then wasn't Vidor the next week?
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Did I say yall were lucky the whole season? No I did not. I simply said that yall were lucky that night. I can't talk about the other games cuz i wasn't there. I was talking about the Vidor game. That's it.
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[KF89]

facts are vidor has not played 2 of the better teams in the district-png & livingston.when u beat them & still have the best defense & make the playoffs u will have earned your respect u keep wanting on the messege board.

[KF89]

running back was hurt,lucky pass play,nederland home field,bad punt all excuses to cover up vidor players not making plays to win the game.nederland had the same excuses till the last 2 minutes,but made the plays to win the game.

[JollyRoger81]

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[quote author=navydawg31 link=topic=89875.msg1083951#msg1083951 date=1318696134]
If Vidorians have the best D in the district how come they have a L in distict...
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Were you at the Vidor Nederland game? No i don't think you were so you honestly can't say much about that "L" in our district game. Anyone who was at that game knows full well that we gave Nederland the best game they have had this year and we gave them that game with our LEADING RUSHER at the time out of the game. Not taking anything away from Nederland. They did what they needed to do to win. But IMO [b]they got lucky[/b] and if Nederland and Vidor met again it would be a different outcome.
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Well if we are lucky, then we have been lucky all year, except for BH when I guess our luck ran out....but wait if our luck ran out at the BH game then wasn't Vidor the next week?
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Did I say yall were lucky the whole season? No I did not. I simply said that yall were lucky that night. I can't talk about the other games cuz i wasn't there. I was talking about the Vidor game. That's it.
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It's just my opinion but the reason that you lost the game was because late in the 4th when you needed to pin the Dogs deep in their own end your punter hit the worst punt of the night. If the Dogs had been deep in their end could they have driven down the field in the time left, I'm not sure. But when you give them the ball on the 40 they had a short field and that was not good for you guys.
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Dawgnut...you hit the nail on the head, IMO this was the beginning of the end for the Pirates that night...I believe that a better punt would have totally changed the outcome of that game. Oh well, it is what it is! That was many moons ago.  Pirates get ready to take it to those Jaguars! Is it Friday yet?  ;)

[baddog]

Nederland never wins games. The other team loses and that's it. I really don't think we have outright won a game since '04. I think we may have had a few lucky ones back then too.

[lionbaseball]

[quote name="baddog" post="1084821" timestamp="1318766059"]
Nederland never wins games. The other team loses and that's it. I really don't think we have outright won a game since '04. I think we may have had a few lucky ones back then too.
[/quote]thats what it sounds like lol but Id say yall have won at least one game this year that happened a couple weeks ago to a team I cant quite recall who it was but I think it started with an L  :-\

[baddog]

[quote name="lionbaseball" post="1085033" timestamp="1318786486"]
[quote author=baddog link=topic=89875.msg1084821#msg1084821 date=1318766059]
Nederland never wins games. The other team loses and that's it. I really don't think we have outright won a game since '04. I think we may have had a few lucky ones back then too.
[/quote]thats what it sounds like lol but Id say yall have won at least one game this year that happened a couple weeks ago to a team I cant quite recall who it was but I think it started with an L  :-\
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Thanks lionbaseball. Nederland earned your respect and should have earned it against several other teams this year.

[Knoddy1]

two cents you keep whinning about losing your RB causing Vidor to lose..right..well Nederland had two starters (2) suspended for the Vidor game and the PN-G game. We could make an argument that we could have won more easily with those two players there but that would not be fair to the rest of our team(team) the guys that replaced them played incredible games at a time when the (team) needed them.  Besides the suspensions we have had our hands full with some key injuries too, that's all part of football. (whinning is not) Also be careful what you wish for cause if you get us again we'll shut ya down even worse.  Just my Bulldog opionion.

[cornhusker]

Well said Knoddy1. No other explanations needed.

[robanadana]

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[quote author=baddog link=topic=89875.msg1084821#msg1084821 date=1318766059]
Nederland never wins games. The other team loses and that's it. I really don't think we have outright won a game since '04. I think we may have had a few lucky ones back then too.
[/quote]thats what it sounds like lol but Id say yall have won at least one game this year that happened a couple weeks ago to a team I cant quite recall who it was but I think it started with an L  :-\
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Thanks lionbaseball. Nederland earned your respect and should have earned it against several other teams this year.
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Is there a full moon because all the puppies are whinin' tonight???? If you seriously think you're gonna get any respect in mid-county from Vidor, you are surely mistaken. Remember, we're your rivals.....

[robanadana]

[quote name="kf89" post="1084737" timestamp="1318738310"]
facts are vidor has not played 2 of the better teams in the district-png & livingston.when u beat them & still have the best defense & make the playoffs u will have earned your respect u keep wanting on the messege board.
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We never play anyone. And, so many teams beating down our door willing to play us in pre-district. Don't really care about respect from the pundits on this board. Just keep winning Pirates!

[TradinUp BH]

Vidor has turned into the Lumberton of 07. Remember that year, there was L-Train fans coming out of nowhere talking trash on the message board. One or two years going to the playoffs don't make you the beast of 20-4A, Nederland and PN-G, and sometimes Central own this district year in and year out. Say what you want to, but look at Lumberton now because Vidor will be the same in a year or two while Mid-County continues thier winning traditions!!!!!!! ;D ;)

[Nederland Dog 2006]

[quote name="Knoddy1" post="1085078" timestamp="1318789773"]
two cents you keep whinning about losing your RB causing Vidor to lose..right..well Nederland had two starters (2) suspended for the Vidor game and the PN-G game. We could make an argument that we could have won more easily with those two players there but that would not be fair to the rest of our team(team) the guys that replaced them played incredible games at a time when the (team) needed them.  Besides the suspensions we have had our hands full with some key injuries too, that's all part of football. (whinning is not) Also be careful what you wish for cause if you get us again we'll shut ya down even worse.  Just my Bulldog opionion.
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Ya know. Thats all I hear is if Livingston had their RB... and it almost sound like they want us to apologize for it. When Nederland the past 4-5 years has been eaten up with injuries and what not, and still had success and scraped to get to the post season. I dont think it would have mattered if that RB, Mays or whatever his name is, played or not. We still would have won the game.

[Raider24]

[quote name="Scalp'em" post="1085724" timestamp="1318823661"]
Vidor has turned into the Lumberton of 07. Remember that year, there was L-Train fans coming out of nowhere talking trash on the message board. One or two years going to the playoffs don't make you the beast of 20-4A, Nederland and PN-G, and sometimes Central own this district year in and year out. Say what you want to, but look at Lumberton now because Vidor will be the same in a year or two while Mid-County continues thier winning traditions!!!!!!! ;D ;)
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Lumberton will never have the tradition of PNG, Vidor, or Ned because the town does not understand or care about winning or what it takes. Its all about me, me, and my kid and the politics that go with it. Starts with the school board on down. We win at all the lower levels but when they get to school athletics, its over. We had our opportunity to build on things in 07 & 08 but look how long it lasted. Having a winning program (football) does so much for your community. I hope Vidor can sustain this longer than Lumberton was able!

[TradinUp BH]

[quote name="Willbeat23" post="1085737" timestamp="1318824498"]
[quote author=Scalp'em link=topic=89875.msg1085724#msg1085724 date=1318823661]
Vidor has turned into the Lumberton of 07. Remember that year, there was L-Train fans coming out of nowhere talking trash on the message board. One or two years going to the playoffs don't make you the beast of 20-4A, Nederland and PN-G, and sometimes Central own this district year in and year out. Say what you want to, but look at Lumberton now because Vidor will be the same in a year or two while Mid-County continues thier winning traditions!!!!!!! ;D ;)
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Lumberton will never have the tradition of PNG, Vidor, or Ned because the town does not understand or care about winning or what it takes. Its all about me, me, and my kid and the politics that go with it. Starts with the school board on down. We win at all the lower levels but when they get to school athletics, its over. We had our opportunity to build on things in 07 & 08 but look how long it lasted. Having a winning program (football) does so much for your community. I hope Vidor can sustain this longer than Lumberton was able!
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Actually, I think it was great what Lumberton did those years and I hope that Vidor can sustain the winning they are doing. It's great to see the district like this where you really don't know who's going to win every Friday. I think it's sad to see Lumberton fall the way they have since those two good years. Hopefully the community can find a way to jump start things again. The politics are in every community.

[GoDogs27]

Lumberton will bounce back I think. Growing community over there. Nederlands success has always come from coaching and preparation, not blue chip athleticism. This year we have a lot of above average athletes added onto the great coaching staff and voila. It's not that I don't think we've been talented, but injuries can plague your season and really make it an uphill battle. Anyways, I think getting a good coach and hanging on to him is key. Neumann has a lifetime job as far as I'm concerned. On a side note, not sure why vidor fans on this board are so persnickety. You have a good season going and you will earn more respect if you let Friday nights do the talking about how great your team is. Just because YOU feel like the team isn't getting enough respect doesn't mean people should have to post something new every day about how awesome vidor is. Finish it now. Get to the playoffs and win a game or two. You want your defense to be compared to Nederlands? Ok well after you've played everybody in district (mainly PNG/LIV) then we will have a fair comparison. Goodluck to lumberton, vidor, and the rest of the district for this season and beyond. if you want a winning tradition, you have to start somewhere. One or two seasons of a winning record or playoff appearances don't get you there if things go back downhill shortly after.

[Tim Riggins]

[quote name="GoDogs27" post="1085753" timestamp="1318827243"]
Lumberton will bounce back I think. Growing community over there. Nederlands success has always come from coaching and preparation, not blue chip athleticism. This year we have a lot of above average athletes added onto the great coaching staff and voila. It's not that I don't think we've been talented, but injuries can plague your season and really make it an uphill battle. Anyways, I think getting a good coach and hanging on to him is key. Neumann has a lifetime job as far as I'm concerned. On a side note, not sure why vidor fans on this board are so persnickety. You have a good season going and you will earn more respect if you let Friday nights do the talking about how great your team is. Just because YOU feel like the team isn't getting enough respect doesn't mean people should have to post something new every day about how awesome vidor is. Finish it now. Get to the playoffs and win a game or two. You want your defense to be compared to Nederlands? Ok well after you've played everybody in district (mainly PNG/LIV) then we will have a fair comparison. Goodluck to lumberton, vidor, and the rest of the district for this season and beyond. if you want a winning tradition, you have to start somewhere. One or two seasons of a winning record or playoff appearances don't get you there if things go back downhill shortly after.
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Good post.  Vidor has 3 tough games left, especially the last 2 with PNG & Livingston.  Maybe unlike some other fans, I don't doubt that the Pirates have earned some respect for their 6-1 record so far. 
But I do think the end of the season is the time to take a look at the big picture.  As far as tradition, it's all about stringing good seasons together and sustaining it.  Every program will have a bump in the road as the talent level ebbs, key players graduate and coaches move on etc.  The ability to overcome the bumps, rebuild and come back strong is the mark of a good program and that helps gain respect and builds tradition. JMO.

[RonBurgundy68]

As a Vidor fan, I think there 3-4 people on here, who I won't name names that give us/the team a bad rep... And they drive me crazy.

[robanadana]

[quote name="GoDogs27" post="1085753" timestamp="1318827243"]
Lumberton will bounce back I think. Growing community over there. Nederlands success has always come from coaching and preparation, not blue chip athleticism. This year we have a lot of above average athletes added onto the great coaching staff and voila. It's not that I don't think we've been talented, but injuries can plague your season and really make it an uphill battle. Anyways, I think getting a good coach and hanging on to him is key. Neumann has a lifetime job as far as I'm concerned. On a side note, not sure why vidor fans on this board are so persnickety. You have a good season going and you will earn more respect if you let Friday nights do the talking about how great your team is. Just because YOU feel like the team isn't getting enough respect doesn't mean people should have to post something new every day about how awesome vidor is. Finish it now. Get to the playoffs and win a game or two. You want your defense to be compared to Nederlands? Ok well after you've played everybody in district (mainly PNG/LIV) then we will have a fair comparison. Goodluck to lumberton, vidor, and the rest of the district for this season and beyond. if you want a winning tradition, you have to start somewhere. One or two seasons of a winning record or playoff appearances don't get you there if things go back downhill shortly after.
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Not being persnickity (sp.), just having fun. Isn't that what this board is about? You guys in mid-county take your shots, we take ours. As long as it's clean, it's just fun. Didn't know we were supposed to sing Cumbahyah and hug? I thought football was a tackle sport???

[pngfan1]

[quote name="GoDogs27" post="1085753" timestamp="1318827243"]
Lumberton will bounce back I think. Growing community over there. Nederlands success has always come from coaching and preparation, not blue chip athleticism. This year we have a lot of above average athletes added onto the great coaching staff and voila. It's not that I don't think we've been talented, but injuries can plague your season and really make it an uphill battle. Anyways, I think getting a good coach and hanging on to him is key. Neumann has a lifetime job as far as I'm concerned. On a side note, not sure why vidor fans on this board are so persnickety. You have a good season going and you will earn more respect if you let Friday nights do the talking about how great your team is. Just because YOU feel like the team isn't getting enough respect doesn't mean people should have to post something new every day about how awesome vidor is. Finish it now. Get to the playoffs and win a game or two. You want your defense to be compared to Nederlands? Ok well after you've played everybody in district (mainly PNG/LIV) then we will have a fair comparison. Goodluck to lumberton, vidor, and the rest of the district for this season and beyond. if you want a winning tradition, you have to start somewhere. One or two seasons of a winning record or playoff appearances don't get you there if things go back downhill shortly after.
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Very good post. I remember in the late 90's Nederland couldn't get the respect they should have , but after a few years they did. I also agree about the coaching and talent. We are finally seeing an advantage as far as coaching. There is no way I could say talent alone, look at the kids continuing to the next level. Most do not come from PNG or Nederland. Although Nederland does have some talent for the next few years which , along with their good coaching could mean a deep run.

Believe me other coaches are taking Vidor seriously , they have respect. It's just hard to get from local media from just a couple good seasons.

[Razor]

[quote name="Scalp'em" post="1085724" timestamp="1318823661"]
Vidor has turned into the Lumberton of 07. Remember that year, there was L-Train fans coming out of nowhere talking trash on the message board. One or two years going to the playoffs don't make you the beast of 20-4A, Nederland and PN-G, and sometimes Central own this district year in and year out. Say what you want to, but look at Lumberton now because Vidor will be the same in a year or two while Mid-County continues thier winning traditions!!!!!!! ;D ;)
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Ditto...and where are those Lumberton posters now?

[bb88]

[quote name="aries456" post="1085765" timestamp="1318832539"]
As a Vidor fan, I think there 3-4 people on here, who I won't name names that give us/the team a bad rep... And they drive me crazy.
[/quote]As new to this site I agree there are a few from each town that ruin it for all the others. Most people from Vidor know what we have to do to get respect...win consistently and beat the teams that do. Please don't lump all as what the town believes just like I don't think all mid county people are rude and cocky although some come off that way.

[pirate68]

[quote name="aries456" post="1085765" timestamp="1318832539"]
As a Vidor fan, I think there 3-4 people on here, who I won't name names that give us/the team a bad rep... And they drive me crazy.
[/quote]Your correct...They need to let the play speak for itself.Drives me crazy when they get on here and say if so and so were not injured are if we would have gotten this call we would have won..Good teams overcome injuries and a few questionable calls..JMO

[Guest Pirate_pride_07]

You know what drives me crazy? Fans that think that the way they support there team is the only way to do it and anyone else who support there team in a different way is wrong and it drives them crazy and they don't like it and the other person gives the team a bad rep and they just need to be quiet and let it be. I think they just need to be a fan and let other people do what they do. Who cares what they talk about? Who cares what they say? If you don't like it then don't read there post and don't respond to there post. They are there to support there team. I mean that's what this forum is about right? They just happen to have a different way of supporting there team. If you don't like it then get over it.

[pirate68]

[quote name="mytwocents" post="1086380" timestamp="1318893085"]
You know what drives me crazy? Fans that think that the way they support there team is the only way to do it and anyone else who support there team a different way is wrong and it drives them crazy and they don't like it and the other person gives the team a bad rep and they just need to be quiet and let it be. I think they just need to be a fan and let other people do what they do. Who cares what they talk about? Who cares what they say? If you don't like it then don't read there post and don't respond to there post. They are there to support there team. I mean that's what this forum is about right? They just happen to have a different way of supporting there team. If you don't like it then get over it.
[/quote]I'am guessing by your reply that you consider yourself one of the above mentioned posters. ;D