FINAL — Carthage 23 at West Orange-Stark 7 — Discussion

[AggiesAreWe]

32 minutes ago, keepitcas said:

no one said that was the only reason it was close it was an observation how incredibly bad the officiating was.  WO-S was getting away with everything under the sun, illegal hits, late hits, face masks, endless taunting - all right in front of officials. Do they always get free reign like that playing at home?  How it affects the outcome of a game is not the main concern it's that someone is going to get very badly hurt when one team is given free rain to play as cheap and dirty as they want. seen it happen too many times to count. And it's rich to hear WO-S fans scoffing at any comments about refs when their fan base are still actually blaming the refs for them getting skull drug in the state championship. LOL  They got away with all their dirty unsportmanlike play then too, they just couldn't take advantage of the assistance. 

I take it this view is thru Carthage glasses. 

Same view as seeing DCTF with a bias against Carthage? I hear that's the word but it's only coming from Carthage peeps.

Pretty certain the view is quite different from a Mustang perspective.

I have seen many many WO-S games in my lifetime and dirty is not their makeup.

[Bansheefan]

4 hours ago, WO-S 89 said:

Carthage had way more personal fouls than WOS, Carthage had 2 on one play.  This Carthage team is very beatable not as dominant as previous years. 

Carthage 4 games in after replacing that many starters is not going to be the same carthage you will see in the playoffs if they are lucky enough to win it again this year could be looking at a potential 4 or 5 Pete with what they got coming back and up the freshman class is loaded they have already brought 2 up with more potentially coming

[BBfan061]

8 hours ago, Bansheefan said:

Carthage 4 games in after replacing that many starters is not going to be the same carthage you will see in the playoffs if they are lucky enough to win it again this year could be looking at a potential 4 or 5 Pete with what they got coming back and up the freshman class is loaded they have already brought 2 up with more potentially coming

I mean the expectation for Carthage is essentially the same every year but they do slip up from time to time. They are always gonna 3 peat etc until someone beats them like Gilmer beats them a few years ago. 

[BBtater984]

20 hours ago, keepitcas said:

no one said that was the only reason it was close it was an observation how incredibly bad the officiating was.  WO-S was getting away with everything under the sun, illegal hits, late hits, face masks, endless taunting - all right in front of officials. Do they always get free reign like that playing at home?  How it affects the outcome of a game is not the main concern it's that someone is going to get very badly hurt when one team is given free rain to play as cheap and dirty as they want. seen it happen too many times to count. And it's rich to hear WO-S fans scoffing at any comments about refs when their fan base are still actually blaming the refs for them getting skull drug in the state championship. LOL  They got away with all their dirty unsportmanlike play then too, they just couldn't take advantage of the assistance. 

So, if it's a close game, it must have been the officiating... cry me a river. Take the win and move on 

Edited September 28 by WOSdrummer99

[keepitcas]

On 9/27/2026 at 7:10 PM, WO-S 89 said:

Carthage had way more personal fouls than WOS, Carthage had 2 on one play.  This Carthage team is very beatable not as dominant as previous years. 

I am not even from Carthage or East Texas even just observer of high school football. Was at the game, actually with a friend who officiated for years in another state, and then watched the game after as well to see if I actually saw what I thought I saw.

Carthage being CALLED for more personal fouls and legitimately committing more are two very different things. WO-S committed A TON and got away with 99.9% of them. WO-S was allowed (and not just in this game) to deliver countless illegal late hits, face masks, taunting, holding, interference (on defense on literally every pass play) etc. Many times you can actually see the officials in the middle of the mess as the WO-S players are taunting, shoving Carthage players trying to start a fight and refs do nothing but as soon as a Carthage player even responds with a single word or look, not even anything physical, they throw a flag on Carthage. Those officials had blinders on to everything WO-S did. And those are facts. Did not affect that outcome but that is not the point, someone at some point is going to get seriously hurt. One of the MANY face masks WO-S committed was pretty violent, the Carthage player's head got almost completely spun around and it was right in front of the official. No flag. The player did have to be assessed for a concussion on the sidelines. And these blatant things happened many times all game.  My friend was losing his mind and was totally appalled.