ANOTHER ICE SHOOTING IN Minneapolis

[OlDawg]

1 hour ago, baddog said:

Is the investigation concluded?

I don’t think so. This mentioned ‘preliminary.’

[Reagan]

I did hear that Trump has deported so many illegals that Minnesota has lost a congressional seat.  They need to redo the census now!  

[Reagan]

On 1/25/2026 at 8:47 PM, Porter said:

Deport all illegals.

Report anyone suspected of being an illegal in your neighborhood or job to 1-866-DHS-2-ICE (1-866-347-2423), the official 24/7 U.S.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE)

Tip Line - it is now active.

I’m glad you posted this.  I wonder how many illegals are in Port Arthur?   🤔 

[tvc184]

14 hours ago, OlDawg said:

 

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Without a comment I am not sure of the context of those sites.

 The legal comment on the way it is portrayed in the Excessive Force and the Fourth Amendment article is incorrect in the point that I think it is trying to make, in my opinion.  On the other hand, it kind of makes no point except to say that Congress might want to change some laws. 

[tvc184]

9 hours ago, OlDawg said:

I’m still waiting on the purported body cam footage. I don’t think it will paint the incident with Mr. Pretti in any better light. But, in light of new information posted, I think the ‘totality’ argument established by SCOTUS in LEO use of deadly force has been satisfied if the new evidence is proven out.

The Supreme Court does not use the totality of circumstances in determining whether a use of force was justified.

In Graham v. Connor, reaffirmed recently in Barnes v. Felix, the Supreme Court rejected the totality of circumstances in the determination of the use of force and use “objectively reasonable” as the standard. The totality of circumstances can give false decisions on the uses of force. 

[tvc184]

8 hours ago, baddog said:

Have you ever conceal carried on your person? If so, did you tuck it in the backside of your pants? That doesn’t seem like a logical place to carry. I’m going out on a limb and say Pretti had another gun in front. People resisting keep their hands in front to make it difficult to cuff them behind. With hands tucked in front and possibly another gun, I can see how he was shot very easily.

That is actually a well known way to carry, often called the SOB carry or Small of Back. They make holsters for specifically that purpose.

It has probably lost some favor in recent years with the trend being more toward appendix carry.

I used to carry a revolver in the SOB position years ago and only on some occasions. I still do on rare occasions for a situation and not as a preferred option. 

[tvc184]

7 hours ago, baddog said:

Is the investigation concluded?

No.

[OlDawg]

3 hours ago, tvc184 said:

The Supreme Court does not use the totality of circumstances in determining whether a use of force was justified.

In Graham v. Connor, reaffirmed recently in Barnes v. Felix, the Supreme Court rejected the totality of circumstances in the determination of the use of force and use “objectively reasonable” as the standard. The totality of circumstances can give false decisions on the uses of force. 

Actually, the majority SCOTUS opinion explicitly states “the totality of the circumstances” in Barnes v Felix 2025 as the reasoning that should be used to determine use of force.

Also, this paper was developed by the Congressional Research Office, which is a part of the Federal Government that advises Congress on SCOTUS for legislative needs. It doesn’t advocate for any position. It merely advises of decisions.

[OlDawg]

3 hours ago, tvc184 said:

Without a comment I am not sure of the context of those sites.

 The legal comment on the way it is portrayed in the Excessive Force and the Fourth Amendment article is incorrect in the point that I think it is trying to make, in my opinion.  On the other hand, it kind of makes no point except to say that Congress might want to change some laws. 

See above post.

[DCT]

The blame game.

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[OlDawg]

9 minutes ago, DCT said:

The blame game.

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Even Gov. Abbott is saying there needs to be a reset. If the Texas Governor says that, it’s fairly obvious there’s an issue—in perception and communication at the least.

Houston City Council meeting last night was overrun with people demanding the city stop working with ICE. Right now, Houston holds those with ICE warrants—just like they hold anyone for any other agency. But, they don’t assist in any other way that’s not a normal part of their duties.

The madness is spreading.

[tvc184]

43 minutes ago, OlDawg said:

Actually, the majority SCOTUS opinion explicitly states “the totality of the circumstances” in Barnes v Felix 2025 as the reasoning that should be used to determine use of force.

Also, this paper was developed by the Congressional Research Office, which is a part of the Federal Government that advises Congress on SCOTUS for legislative needs. It doesn’t advocate for any position. It merely advises of decisions.

That is 100% false.

It is not a true standard, and Barnes did not say that either.

The standard has been objective reasonableness, and Barnes only reaffirm that.

I have read multiple opinions, including the one you posted, where people apparently are only reading headlines, which are written by other people who did not read the case.

[tvc184]

6 minutes ago, OlDawg said:

Even Gov. Abbott is saying there needs to be a reset. If the Texas Governor says that, it’s fairly obvious there’s an issue—in perception and communication at the least.

Houston City Council meeting last night was overrun with people demanding the city stop working with ICE. Right now, Houston holds those with ICE warrants—just like they hold anyone for any other agency.

The madness is spreading.

If the city and county uphold the ICE warrants like they should, none of this would happen.

There would be no need to apprehend people in the streets as they are likely already in custody.

Imagine a system or a violent criminal is in the county jail and the federal government has a hold on them and the powers that be want to hurry up and get the violent criminal back out on the street again quickly….. so they can escape federal warrants.

It’s the movie Idiocrasy playing out in real life. 

[OlDawg]

17 minutes ago, tvc184 said:

If the city and county uphold the ICE warrants like they should, none of this would happen.

There would be no need to apprehend people in the streets as they are likely already in custody.

Imagine a system or a violent criminal is in the county jail and the federal government has a hold on them and the powers that be want to hurry up and get the violent criminal back out on the street again quickly….. so they can escape federal warrants.

It’s the movie Idiocrasy playing out in real life. 

Yep. Whitmire knows. Houston City Council is another matter. I’m just glad I live in La Porte, and not Houston.

I thought Texas just passed a law outlawing ‘sanctuary policies’ anyway?

[OlDawg]

28 minutes ago, tvc184 said:

That is 100% false.

It is not a true standard, and Barnes did not say that either.

The standard has been objective reasonableness, and Barnes only reaffirm that.

I have read multiple opinions, including the one you posted, where people apparently are only reading headlines, which are written by other people who did not read the case.

The actual majority opinion in Barnes v Felix 23-1239 (05/15/2025) is linked. Please read the majority opinion reasoning on Page 7.

The moment-of-threat rule applied in the courts below 
prevents that sort of attention to context, and thus conflicts 
with this Court’s instruction to analyze the totality of the 
circumstances. 

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[baddog]

4 hours ago, tvc184 said:

No.

It was rhetorical…

[UT alum]

15 hours ago, thetragichippy said:

@DCT  @UT alum

Alex Pretti broke rib in confrontation with federal agents a week before death....

It is a CNN article using "sources' - so it could likely not be true......but if it is.....

Can we stop with the narrative he just happen to be there helping folks.......He's an illegal protestor twice that we know of (if true)

And if true, it was just a matter of time before he would get hurt.....or dead

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From the article:  “DHS has no record of this incident”.  
This is gonna be Trump’s Kent State. Fascism has reached it’s high water mark in this country..