Tarkington 51 Hamshire-Fannett 80/FINAL

[AggiesAreWe]

19-4A

Tonight, 7pm

[Mamba]

HF 54

Tarkington 36

3rd qtr 3:23

[Mamba]

HF 69

Tarkington 41

end of 3rd

[Mamba]

HF 80

Tarkington 51

Final

[PrairieMan]

Absolutely horrible game for Tarkington, #21 PG had 35 points of teams 51 with not much help tonight. Total lack of hustle and physicality. 

[Old Ape]

Ain’t playing 3a basketball no more!! 

[PrairieMan]

48 minutes ago, Old Ape said:

Ain’t playing 3a basketball no more!! 

Thanks for the solid input. FYI this extremely small 4a team finished 3rd in district last year and lost in the playoffs to the state runner ups. If you have any actual valid input, I’m willing to talk basketball all day with you. 

[No-look1]

12 hours ago, Mamba said:

HF 80

Tarkington 51

Final

This score margin is somewhat surprising. 

[PrairieMan]

18 minutes ago, No-look1 said:

This score margin is somewhat surprising. 

Unfortunately, if you’ve watched Tarkington basketball, it isn’t. We are the tale of two teams. The best example I can give you is we’ve beaten Onalaska this year by 9 and then they beat us 30+. #21 Ellington is avg 30 pts a game this year and he’s giving you every ounce of effort he has night in and night out. Don’t get me wrong he has good days and bad days shooting like anyone else but he’s always showing up (as mentioned previously he scored 35 last night). Unfortunately the cast around him is full of kids that until this year have never started a varsity game in their life. Those kids struggle at times and when they do, they tend to fall a part mentally. So when you have that kind of volatility it quickly becomes easy to see how they can compete with pretty much anyone on a given night or absolutely fall apart and get the doors blown off by an overall mediocre team. 
 

A couple other factors included that HF shot the 3 ball better than any other night I’ve watched them play and Tarkington might have went 3-20 if that. Also, the first half was a 6 point game, the refs the second half lost their mind. They went from calling really a pretty decent game to completely one sided which doesn’t make up all the points we lost by, by no means but another factor. Then trying harder to come from behind once down 15 just forces the issue for those guys with lack of experience. 

[Mamba]

I was at the game — #21 was clearly their best player, but he was also the reason they struggled. He took almost every shot and never looked to involve his teammates. You can’t win big when one guy dominates the ball for 32 minutes.

I get the point about inexperience, but that’s not really what I saw. Plenty of teams start new varsity players and still function because the ball moves, guys touch it, and everyone stays engaged.

When one player takes every shot, the rest of the team naturally checks out — that’s not a ‘cast’ problem, that’s a style‑of‑play problem. Confidence comes from involvement. If teammates never get real opportunities, of course they’ll look shaky.

As for the officiating, it was fine. I’m not sure what fouls people expected, but it was pretty even on both sides. Tarkington’s #33 was warned multiple times for talking and eventually got hit with a tech. That’s on him, not the refs.

[AggiesAreWe]

11 minutes ago, Mamba said:

I was at the game — #21 was clearly their best player, but he was also the reason they struggled. He took almost every shot and never looked to involve his teammates. You can’t win big when one guy dominates the ball for 32 minutes.

I get the point about inexperience, but that’s not really what I saw. Plenty of teams start new varsity players and still function because the ball moves, guys touch it, and everyone stays engaged.

When one player takes every shot, the rest of the team naturally checks out — that’s not a ‘cast’ problem, that’s a style‑of‑play problem. Confidence comes from involvement. If teammates never get real opportunities, of course they’ll look shaky.

As for the officiating, it was fine. I’m not sure what fouls people expected, but it was pretty even on both sides. Tarkington’s #33 was warned multiple times for talking and eventually got hit with a tech. That’s on him, not the refs.

I have to agree with this assessment.

From the few games I have seen Tarkington play, it has been all about #21. Each and every possession goes thru him 85-90% of the time.

Got to get more players involved.

[PrairieMan]

1 hour ago, Mamba said:

I was at the game — #21 was clearly their best player, but he was also the reason they struggled. He took almost every shot and never looked to involve his teammates. You can’t win big when one guy dominates the ball for 32 minutes.

I get the point about inexperience, but that’s not really what I saw. Plenty of teams start new varsity players and still function because the ball moves, guys touch it, and everyone stays engaged.

When one player takes every shot, the rest of the team naturally checks out — that’s not a ‘cast’ problem, that’s a style‑of‑play problem. Confidence comes from involvement. If teammates never get real opportunities, of course they’ll look shaky.

As for the officiating, it was fine. I’m not sure what fouls people expected, but it was pretty even on both sides. Tarkington’s #33 was warned multiple times for talking and eventually got hit with a tech. That’s on him, not the refs.

Actually 33 did not get the tech. #2 got the tech for saying “good call” to the ref while the bigger kid from HF screamed “what the ****” to the ref right in front the stands with his arms out, and nothing. 
 

We can agree to disagree on the reffing, nobody ever agrees on the calls. But here’s what I’ll say more games than not, just like last night. Nobody can stay in front of #21 without grabbing and shoving and last night was another example of that. If you like we can review as much game footage as you like. Before every in bounds #2 would have his arms completely wrapped around his waste right in front of the ref. 
 

As far as your and AAWs assessment, you should both probably watch more games to fully make that determination. The only way his teammates “want” to be involved in the offense is if he drives and kicks to them. Otherwise nobody else wants to handle the ball. So does the ball go through him a lot, 100% and for the most part his teammates appreciate it. You should see the ball handling when he comes out. Regarding shooting, he’s a 35/50/87% (3/2/ft) shooter, the rest of the team is about 20/40/55% soooo with both of your expert who should take more shots and handle the ball then? 

[PrairieMan]

1 hour ago, AggiesAreWe said:

I have to agree with this assessment.

From the few games I have seen Tarkington play, it has been all about #21. Each and every possession goes thru him 85-90% of the time.

Got to get more players involved.

Interested in the games you’ve seen? He’s the PG, what position does the ball normally go through in your offense?