The 14th Amendment & Birthright Citizenship

[tvc184]

41 minutes ago, baddog said:

Sounded like she needed to clear her throat. 

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[Reagan]

Again, I don’t think it was a coincidence that the 14th was right after the 13th that freed the slaves.  THIS is what the 14th had to do with.  I know which way 3 Justices will vote.  Why?  Because that’s why they were put there.  You know — to do the left’s bidding.  This last Justice was really bad and really telling!  DEI at its finest!!  We want this individual to know what the Constitution says when she doesn’t know what a woman is!  Sad!!

[baddog]

14 minutes ago, tvc184 said:

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I stand corrected. I fixed it.

[tvc184]

1 hour ago, OlDawg said:

What we know is there were at least 4 Justices that believed the Government had a solid case. Otherwise, they wouldn’t have agreed to hear the case at all.

The arguments are very interesting. Sauer is kind of hard to listen to with a raspy type voice & very fast speech. 😂 

… or they wanted to put the issue to rest. 

[OlDawg]

33 minutes ago, tvc184 said:

… or they wanted to put the issue to rest. 

True. Sauer’s rebuttal just chewed up the ACLU argument. Wow! He pointed out almost every case they referenced was BEFORE the 14th, and every case he cited was after.

Still don’t know if it will be enough though. Gorsuch’s comment was troubling about accepting the ACLU argument and making a quick ruling. I really thought he would be more on the textualism/originalism side. Now, I’m not so sure.

[Reagan]

22 minutes ago, Reagan said:

Again, I don’t think it was a coincidence that the 14th was right after the 13th that freed the slaves.  THIS is what the 14th had to do with.  I know which way 3 Justices will vote.  Why?  Because that’s why they were put there.  You know — to do the left’s bidding.  This last Justice was really bad and really telling!  DEI at its finest!!  We want this individual to know what the Constitution says when she doesn’t know what a woman is!  Sad!!

Speaking of the mental giant:  Putting a potato in her seat, we’d get the same responses.  🤦‍♂️

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[1989NDN]

Listening to the oral arguments and the questions asked from the bench, I predict a 7-2 decision affirming birthright citizenship. Chief Justice Roberts, Justice Sonia Sotomayor, Justice Elena Kagan, Justice Neil Gorsuch, Justice Brett Kavanaugh, Justice Amy Coney Barrett, and Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson for the majority, and Justice Clarence Thomas and Justice Samuel Alito dissenting.  We'll see in June or July when the decision and written opinions are released.

[OlDawg]

What's interesting--that most people don't think about--is that a child born by someone here temporarily is a U.S. citizen--according to the current situation. That person can become a future POTUS.

Hypothetical:

A Chinese birth tourism agency recruits a Chinese female to have a baby born in the U.S. That baby then leaves the U.S., grows up in Communist China for all their lives until they are 21. Then, they move back to the U.S. At 35, they file to run for President of the United States.

They would qualify. They would be a natural U.S. citizen, they would have lived in the U.S. for the last 14 years, and they would be 35 years old.

[Reagan]

6 minutes ago, OlDawg said:

What's interesting--that most people don't think about--is that a child born by someone here temporarily is a U.S. citizen--according to the current situation. That person can become a future POTUS.

Hypothetical:

A Chinese birth tourism agency recruits a Chinese female to have a baby born in the U.S. That baby then leaves the U.S., grows up in Communist China for all their lives until they are 21. Then, they move back to the U.S. At 35, they file to run for President of the United States.

They would qualify. They would be a natural U.S. citizen, they would have lived in the U.S. for the last 14 years, and they would be 35 years old.

That's exactly what China was doing.  I heard they were sending these commies back at 18.  It's destruction from within.  

[Reagan]

Justice Jackson Gets Clobbered During Oral Arguments on Birthright Citizenship!

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[UT alum]

1 hour ago, OlDawg said:

What's interesting--that most people don't think about--is that a child born by someone here temporarily is a U.S. citizen--according to the current situation. That person can become a future POTUS.

Hypothetical:

A Chinese birth tourism agency recruits a Chinese female to have a baby born in the U.S. That baby then leaves the U.S., grows up in Communist China for all their lives until they are 21. Then, they move back to the U.S. At 35, they file to run for President of the United States.

They would qualify. They would be a natural U.S. citizen, they would have lived in the U.S. for the last 14 years, and they would be 35 years old.

Don’t go all Manchurian  candidate on us. 

[OlDawg]

1 minute ago, UT alum said:

Don’t go all Manchurian  candidate on us. 

Ha! I prefer the Denzel version. Decent flick.

[tvc184]

1 hour ago, OlDawg said:

What's interesting--that most people don't think about--is that a child born by someone here temporarily is a U.S. citizen--according to the current situation. That person can become a future POTUS.

Hypothetical:

A Chinese birth tourism agency recruits a Chinese female to have a baby born in the U.S. That baby then leaves the U.S., grows up in Communist China for all their lives until they are 21. Then, they move back to the U.S. At 35, they file to run for President of the United States.

They would qualify. They would be a natural U.S. citizen, they would have lived in the U.S. for the last 14 years, and they would be 35 years old.

That was touched on in the oral arguments. 

[OlDawg]

10 minutes ago, tvc184 said:

That was touched on in the oral arguments. 

Thanks tvc! I must have missed that tending to my better half. Hopefully, they’ll get the transcript up soon where I can read.

How was this hypo addressed, or was it just dismissed out of hand?

(I just caught a second or so of something about an Iranian, but had to leave the room.)

[tvc184]

Just now, OlDawg said:

Thanks tvc! I must have missed that tending to my better half. Hopefully, they’ll get the transcript up soon where I can read.

How was this hypo addressed, or was it just dismissed out of hand?

They didn’t specifically mention the presidency but Sauer in his arguments stated that by 2015 there were like 200 or 500 (I don’t remember the numbers) companies in China whose business it is to send women to the US to have babies and then bring them back to China to be raised by their laws and culture. Then they could return later as they were US citizens at birth.

 One is the follow up questions for his was something like, is there any evidence of that happening or any numbers of people returning or something to that effect.

My follow up might have been, it’s only 11 years since 2015. No one born around then is an adult yet.