Alpha Wolf Posted May 13, 2016 Report Posted May 13, 2016 On 5/12/2016 at 7:37 PM, Barney Fife said: Just read in the enterprise that Ozen had ten additional athletes sign to play at the next level. It as says that in the last two years they have had a total of 24 to sign. This is great numbers so Im sure the athletes are there. It a shame that this program has suffered so much over the last few years. Expand It solidifies that something was wrong with the coaching... ice74 1 Quote
Sledge hammer Posted May 13, 2016 Report Posted May 13, 2016 Stevie Moore is the recruiting machine at central.. He drops the sledge hammer on coaches when they arrive.. Just hire him and several good coaches and watch out proudpvdad1972 1 Quote
Sledge hammer Posted May 13, 2016 Report Posted May 13, 2016 I keep hearing Edward Taylor name in the mix... I keep hearing bring back Ozen old coaching staff...(Nelson, Paul, and Walker from Odom).. Doesn't central have a bunch of Ozen cast off? Also heard Dotson.. What does the most Pear Orchard want? proudpvdad1972 1 Quote
Alpha Wolf Posted May 13, 2016 Report Posted May 13, 2016 On 5/13/2016 at 10:53 AM, Sledge hammer said: I keep hearing Edward Taylor name in the mix... I keep hearing bring back Ozen old coaching staff...(Nelson, Paul, and Walker from Odom).. Doesn't central have a bunch of Ozen cast off? Also heard Dotson.. What does the most Pear Orchard want? Expand Yes, when McGee didn't want those guys, Foreman swooped in and took them. Being I'm a Jaguar fan and around the program a little, I'd like to keep all of the current coaches. But I'm all for someone bettering themselves or promoting by taking the Ozen job. Paul is the head coach for Jaguar basketball and still helps out with football so I doubt he is going anywhere. Coach Nelson used to be the head coach of the Panthers and is now the Jaguars OC. What I was told Monday is that due to it being so late in the year to go through the proper hiring process, Arthur Louis would be stepping in for the 2016 season... Quote
ice74 Posted May 13, 2016 Report Posted May 13, 2016 On 5/11/2016 at 5:03 PM, BMTSoulja1 said: Do a little research. Nelson improved that program and it was on the brink of competing constantly before he was fired. His last year, they made the playoffs, knocked off previously unbeaten Barbers Hill and made the 3rd round of the playoffs before bowing out in a physical game to then, state power LaMarque. That says a lot compared to the way the team was pathetic before he got there... Expand Not to mention the same playoff run, knocked the #2 Ranked Brenham Cubs after beating Barber's Hill and before losing to LaMarque in the Monsoon. IJS Despite the overall record, You could see progress in the kids, and the program as a whole, since then we have not seen much of either. Great Athletes, but no one to coach them up and as an Ozen faithful it is difficult to watch. I feel for these kids, as there seems to be a new coach every year that's no way to build a program. I agree, BISD's coaches are underpaid and for that your best shot is at landing a good coach that has not been given a shot yet and hope that he by chance can do what others haven't. If you land a good coach, you can't keep him because once others recognize his worth they will pay him and he will move on. The problem is layered and there are many factors that, prevent the BISD teams from being as successful as they could be. The bottom line is collectively there are some good teams here and there but no programs are being built here. Alpha Wolf 1 Quote
ice74 Posted May 13, 2016 Report Posted May 13, 2016 Just Catching up on this thread. Coach Louis was the best coach in Ozen's History. Each time there's an opening at Ozen his name is thrown around, but I think it's just wishful thinking. He is definitely the guy who could do it, but he good a raw deal before and what would be required to get him, B.I.S.D. would never do. I sure hope I'm wrong on this one. Quote
Zoneblock Posted May 13, 2016 Report Posted May 13, 2016 wonder if Louis will try and get some of the coaches he had back in the day back to Ozen (Basinger, Carter, Allen and some of that crew. Quote
Dick Vitale Posted May 13, 2016 Report Posted May 13, 2016 Arthur Louis would DEFINITELY BE the answer at Ozen. He got a horrible raw deal before, and was a victim our quick success in basketball in 2001. To be told that he had to make it past the quarterfinal round was very unfair to him. I hope they can talk him out of retirement for the sake of his own redemption....Great coach, and an even better person! Alpha Wolf 1 Quote
desethion Posted May 13, 2016 Report Posted May 13, 2016 Louis is a good one... Nelson is a good one and Taylor is a good one ... Can't be mad at a promotion... Quote
JRidge Posted May 14, 2016 Report Posted May 14, 2016 On 5/13/2016 at 1:58 PM, ice74 said: Not to mention the same playoff run, knocked the #2 Ranked Brenham Cubs after beating Barber's Hill and before losing to LaMarque in the Monsoon. IJS Despite the overall record, You could see progress in the kids, and the program as a whole, since then we have not seen much of either. Great Athletes, but no one to coach them up and as an Ozen faithful it is difficult to watch. I feel for these kids, as there seems to be a new coach every year that's no way to build a program. I agree, BISD's coaches are underpaid and for that your best shot is at landing a good coach that has not been given a shot yet and hope that he by chance can do what others haven't. If you land a good coach, you can't keep him because once others recognize his worth they will pay him and he will move on. The problem is layered and there are many factors that, prevent the BISD teams from being as successful as they could be. The bottom line is collectively there are some good teams here and there but no programs are being built here. Expand I believe that if you hire someone from this area it's more likely that they will be here for the long haul. JMO Alpha Wolf and AthleticSupporter - Jock 2 Quote
JRidge Posted May 14, 2016 Report Posted May 14, 2016 On 5/13/2016 at 3:39 AM, Jag Insider said: It solidifies that something was wrong with the coaching... Expand Just because you know X's & O's doesn't mean you know your personel, coaches and players strengths, game planning, game adjustments, your opponent's strengths and weaknesses, how to interact with your staff, players and community and how to manage your players and staff effectively! Also knowing how to allow your coaches to have input and having your players know that you are not just concerned with them helping you win football games but them as a person and investing in their futures. These attributes are rare and hard to find but are some of the attributes our late Alex Durley possessed and used to create quality young men who created wins! Coaches who have kids of their own will also know that kids will often make mistakes and disappoint you and will not be as quick to write a player off when pissed off. JMO Alpha Wolf and AthleticSupporter - Jock 2 Quote
ozensfinest Posted May 14, 2016 Report Posted May 14, 2016 On 5/14/2016 at 4:11 AM, JRidge said: I believe that if you hire someone from this area it's more likely that they will be here for the long haul. JMO Expand Hiring someone from the area has been BISD's problem...should probably try something different Quote
Alpha Wolf Posted May 14, 2016 Report Posted May 14, 2016 On 5/14/2016 at 4:11 AM, JRidge said: I believe that if you hire someone from this area it's more likely that they will be here for the long haul. JMO Expand I totally agree Jridge when it comes to all 3 schools and football and basketball, more so football... AthleticSupporter - Jock 1 Quote
Alpha Wolf Posted May 14, 2016 Report Posted May 14, 2016 On 5/14/2016 at 3:45 PM, ozensfinest said: Hiring someone from the area has been BISD's problem...should probably try something different Expand You get 2 to 3 years with them, then they are gone. Quote
ozensfinest Posted May 14, 2016 Report Posted May 14, 2016 On 5/14/2016 at 3:56 PM, Jag Insider said: You get 2 to 3 years with them, then they are gone. Expand Pay the coaches more and they'll stay besides when was the last time BISD hired somebody without any ties to the area. Quote
ozensfinest Posted May 14, 2016 Report Posted May 14, 2016 Personally I don't feel many of the coaches in SETX possess the knowledge to build a powerhouse at any of the Beaumont schools, the things they are teaching kids in setx compared to the Katy's, Allen's, Desoto's etc of the world is rudimentary when you compare them to other places. Quote
JRidge Posted May 14, 2016 Report Posted May 14, 2016 On 5/14/2016 at 3:45 PM, ozensfinest said: Hiring someone from the area has been BISD's problem...should probably try something different Expand No not really, Lewis and Brooks were pretty good as well as Durley and Ozen and Coach Smith and Shafer. Nelson was also learning and developing until they cut h I m short. If we can't develop coaches in our community then something is really wrong. They need to be given opportunities and time to learn and establish their programs bottom line. Too much musical chairs going on and not enough stability. Give us someone who loves the kids and our community with good character, work ethics and knowledge of how to communicate, plan, organize, motivate, strategize and be consistent with showing love and discipline. HC have to be able to teach their staff effectively and understand what they need to be teaching and then trust that they are capable of carrying it out. Not an easy task but I believe if you can find someone local with these qualities or potential then go for it because most likely they will be here for quite some time. JMO Alpha Wolf and AthleticSupporter - Jock 2 Quote
Alpha Wolf Posted May 14, 2016 Report Posted May 14, 2016 On 5/14/2016 at 8:44 PM, JRidge said: No not really, Lewis and Brooks were pretty good as well as Durley and Ozen and Coach Smith and Shafer. Nelson was also learning and developing until they cut h I m short. If we can't develop coaches in our community then something is really wrong. They need to be given opportunities and time to learn and establish their programs bottom line. Too much musical chairs going on and not enough stability. Give us someone who loves the kids and our community with good character, work ethics and knowledge of how to communicate, plan, organize, motivate, strategize and be consistent with showing love and discipline. HC have to be able to teach their staff effectively and understand what they need to be teaching and then trust that they are capable of carrying it out. Not an easy task but I believe if you can find someone local with these qualities or potential then go for it because most likely they will be here for quite some time. JMO Expand Good post... Quote
JRidge Posted May 14, 2016 Report Posted May 14, 2016 On 5/14/2016 at 4:46 PM, ozensfinest said: Personally I don't feel many of the coaches in SETX possess the knowledge to build a powerhouse at any of the Beaumont schools, the things they are teaching kids in setx compared to the Katy's, Allen's, Desoto's etc of the world is rudimentary when you compare them to other places. Expand Ozensfinest I belive that now a days the coaches having to compete with Playstation and Xbox has become a problem as well as kids or parents unwillingness to invest in their kids future through training and camps. Often parents are unwilling to push or motivate their kids to workout. The kids who parents do usually progress more or at least faster. My kids benefit from me as a parent and a skills trainer so they are use to working hard and it shows. People have goes sometimes but don't know how to reach them especially without some type of support. Alpha Wolf and AthleticSupporter - Jock 2 Quote
ozensfinest Posted May 14, 2016 Report Posted May 14, 2016 On 5/14/2016 at 8:54 PM, JRidge said: Ozensfinest I belive that now a days the coaches having to compete with Playstation and Xbox has become a problem as well as kids or parents unwillingness to invest in their kids future through training and camps. Often parents are unwilling to push or motivate their kids to workout. The kids who parents do usually progress more or at least faster. My kids benefit from me as a parent and a skills trainer so they are use to working hard and it shows. People have goes sometimes but don't know how to reach them especially without some type of support. Expand You're missing my point...point is I'm not sure any coach in the area has what it takes to bring a state title to Beaumont because the things they are teaching are so outdated. Hiring any of these coaches around the area will continue to bring in mediocre results i.e first and second round playoff exits. Go get a coach that knows something else besides the cliche SETX way of doing things. Quote
AthleticSupporter - Jock Posted May 14, 2016 Report Posted May 14, 2016 On 5/14/2016 at 11:05 PM, ozensfinest said: You're missing my point...point is I'm not sure any coach in the area has what it takes to bring a state title to Beaumont because the things they are teaching are so outdated. Hiring any of these coaches around the area will continue to bring in mediocre results i.e first and second round playoff exits. Go get a coach that knows something else besides the cliche SETX way of doing things. Expand High school sports is about a hell of a lot more than winning a state title. Quote
Alpha Wolf Posted May 14, 2016 Report Posted May 14, 2016 On 5/14/2016 at 11:05 PM, ozensfinest said: You're missing my point...point is I'm not sure any coach in the area has what it takes to bring a state title to Beaumont because the things they are teaching are so outdated. Hiring any of these coaches around the area will continue to bring in mediocre results i.e first and second round playoff exits. Go get a coach that knows something else besides the cliche SETX way of doing things. Expand How about you throw your name in for the coaching job at Ozen and show us ALL how its supposed to be done... Quote
ozensfinest Posted May 14, 2016 Report Posted May 14, 2016 On 5/14/2016 at 11:09 PM, AthleticSupporter - Jock said: High school sports is about a hell of a lot more than winning a state title. Expand Lol so is it not every high school football program goal to win state? I'm confused Quote
ozensfinest Posted May 14, 2016 Report Posted May 14, 2016 On 5/14/2016 at 11:10 PM, Jag Insider said: How about you throw your name in for the coaching job at Ozen and show us ALL how its supposed to be done... Expand Lol how about you apply...I'm pretty sure you've learned a lot about football in those refineries. Quote
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