20-4A Scores Round 14

[RaiderRed30]

These are the scores I have heard or seen
Lumberton 7 Ozen 1 in the 6th
LCM 3 Vidor 1 in the 6th
Nederland 15 Central 0 Final

Anyone have the PNG Livingston score?

[Fracc]

LCM 3  Vidor 2.  Final

 

Liv 2.  PNG 0.  5th inning.

[Fracc]

Final.  Livingston 4  PNG 1.  Let the craziness begin.

[Fracc]

I have heard two possible scenarios for determining 4th place:

 

1. There will be two games.  Two play and the winner of that game plays the third to see who advances.

2. The teams will be seed by run differential.  Teams 3 is eliminated and teams 1 and 2 play one game and winner advances.

 

Scenario 1 makes perfect sense and is consistent with the 2-way tie scenario between PNG and Livingston 2 years ago.  Scenario 2 seems like a contradiction and the #3 team will feel slighted.

 

We will find out.

[Fracc]

Congrats to my Lady Bears on a good season and good win tonight.  Hope Russell was strong yet again on the mound and Taylor Fracc and Kayla Manuel went deep for the Bears.  Looking forward to the play-offs.

 

Great season by the Lady Pirates and congrats on the DC.  Expecting them to make some noise in the play-offs this year.  Good luck.

[AshlyHasBeen]

Coach Lemoine tells me PNG is out on run differential. Lumberton and Livingston will have a play-in.

[jordibug15]

Any idea when and where the game with be

[AshlyHasBeen]

Checking with Lauren now.

[smittycakes]

I heard lumberton is fourth playoff spot because head to head being all tied, and the next tie breaker was runs scored. Lumberton 19, Livingston 13 and Png 12

[Eazy]

I heard lumberton is fourth playoff spot because head to head being all tied, and the next tie breaker was runs scored. Lumberton 19, Livingston 13 and Png 12

Let's hope not.  Runs scored is a ridiculous tiebreaking method.  If it was Runs allowed, then Lumberton would be last with that method.  Is a team that wins games by a score of 4-3 better than a team that wins games by a score of 3-2?   Of course not?   All 3 teams are 1-1 against each other.  The fairest way is Fracc's scenario #1 referred to above.  Draw to see who gets the bye, and then play 2 games to decide the 4th spot.  Settle it on the field.

[jordibug15]

I heard lumberton is fourth playoff spot because head to head being all tied, and the next tie breaker was runs scored. Lumberton 19, Livingston 13 and Png 12

Hope that's true. Would be happy for the girls

[AshlyHasBeen]

Coach Lemoine said the 3 way tie was decided by run differential knocking PNG out. She then said Livingston and Lumberton are tied so they would have a play-in game. Haven't heard back from either coach.

[AshlyHasBeen]

Usually run differential only decided who's out in a 3-way tie then the remaining two teams play it out. I've never heard of the final spot being decided just on run differential.

[badndn]

Coach Lemoine said the 3 way tie was decided by run differential knocking PNG out. She then said Livingston and Lumberton are tied so they would have a play-in game. Haven't heard back from either coach.

Funny because Coach Lemoine told her girls today at PRACTICE that she had not heard back from the District yet on the ruling. If any one is eliminated on runs or rundifferential and not via an actually loss then this district will have set a poor example.
Poll the coaches and you will find out that they think it should be played out. Hell use run differential to determine who gets the playin game bye even.

[AshlyHasBeen]

My info was a direct message from Coach Lemoine. She wasn't happy about it either so maybe the district is reconsidering.

[AshlyHasBeen]

This was her message.

Run differential, terrible rule by the way, puts us out and they're even so they need to set up a play in game.

[Fracc]

I am surprised it is taking this long...can only assume this means not decided yet. Need to get on with it if there will be game(s) with a holiday weekend coming up.

[AshlyHasBeen]

I agree.

[AshlyHasBeen]

Latest word from Lemoine is District 20-4A will have an official decision tomorrow at noon on the Lumberton, Livingston and PNG tiebreaker.

[PNGDAD]

I believe the hold up is because there was a question about how the run differential is calculated. I believe the rule book says total season differential not head to head of teams tied. They are waiting on a state clarification of the rule.

[Eazy]

I would assume that this scenario would be defined in the district tiebreaker rules, but maybe not.

[AshlyHasBeen]

Tiebreakers are strictly a district decision. They define what their tiebreaker system is.

[Eazy]

It is pre-defined though, right?   Can the decision be made after the season is complete? 

[AshlyHasBeen]

It's usually predetermined. The problem is sometimes a district only defines the first or second tiebreaker. After that it's up in the air. Another issue arises when something is not clearly defined. In this case it could be the run differential definition of what games to use. I haven't seen the actual wording they use so I'm not sure. Especially with it being softball where pitching isn't as much of an issue I don't see why they don't play it out in a 3-team single elimination tournament. You could even flip for the bye in that tournament.

[OneChance]

I say play a three game round robin and clearly define what the tie breaker is if they all go 1-1. If one team goes 2-0 then you leave no doubt!