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9 minutes ago, catfever said:

Co-Offensive POY-Castillo

1st Team All District- Richardson

2nd Team All District- Boudreaux

Yes those guys were special, we’re together forever and they are the reason why they beat Hj because of good guard play and experience and they have a good coach…

12 minutes ago, OCWChuck said:

BC Cardinals deserve a little more respect.  The Cards went two rounds deep and were close to a third.  They return numerous experienced players that have worked really hard this summer.  BC has several really good shooters and will be in the playoff hunt again.

Hold up they lost 3 really dang good players that will be hard to replace. 

2 hours ago, mrtomcat said:

He is in southeast Texas?  What do you mean by that?

They are in Houston area, not really a southeast texas/golden triangle/hardin county team. 

6 minutes ago, whsalum said:

The Hawks are probably kicking themselves for not making a state appearance this past year. Talent wise they matched up great with Huffman. 

Was a great matchup

2 minutes ago, whsalum said:

I gotta disagree with this one. After you get past each team’s best player Lumberton wasn’t even close to Huffman talent wise. Huffman wins that match up every time. 

I totally agree with you!!

3 minutes ago, 5GallonBucket said:

Very true.

mitchell should get credit for turning that program around as well.

Lumberton in the past was never known for basketball.

Lumberton was the laughing stock when it came to the BBALL program. Probably one of the worst programs in the state in 4A. 

4 minutes ago, 5GallonBucket said:

This topic is so hard for me cause there is so many variables/factors etc etc

we have coaches who would rather win at all cost than give consequences for players actions on or off the court

we have coaches who may not always win but are great role models and teach players life lessons

we have coaches who always seem to have talent so it makes winning a lil easier

we have coaches who have turned programs around

so on and so forth

and all that mentioned....it can be interchangeable.

as far as a list based just on wins/losses, consistency, playoff runs, SCs.

Tier 1: Boutte, Sigler

Tier 2a: Sutherland, Green

Tier 2b: Foster, English, Joubert

Tier 3:  Davis, Mitchell, 

last year Boutte, Sigler, and Foster further impressed me.

English is hands down the best at bringing a program out of the grave.

(as far as barrett at Huffman....Other than last year I don’t know enough to put him in a spot)

given all that if coaches are not teaching life lessons in character...wins and dc s and sc s are just for selfishness to further one s career.

When I was at WB under Simon he wasn’t that good at the Xs and Os and we butted heads when it came to personnel but he was a great role model for his players and took the time to pray with them and for them, teach them character and life lessons on how to mature and make solid choices.

I respect him greatly for that.

to me there is more to coaching than just wins.

If Barrett was in Southeast  Texas no doubt he would be a top 5 coach that guy is special. 

1 hour ago, The Dragon said:

I'd say Lumberton was far more talented than Huffman.  A bunch of 6'4 plus kids led by a Lamar signee and they got absolutely run out of the gym by a Huffman club who only played basically five kids and were led by a 5'9 D3 kid.  I'd say that is coaching, but lots of people were outcoached by Huffman this year.

Hold up Huffman had 2 all-state players Lumberton had 1. Also, I have read on here Lumberton wasn’t even to pick to make the playoffs last year by tabc. They lost like everyone but the d1 signeee so that was a new group of kids on varsity for Lumberton. Huffman was rank in the top 15 all year with a team that won 30 games. 

13 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

I don’t disagree with the fact that this year was the year that they had a shot at state.  Silsbee and Yates were both way down, and it was probably the most talented team he’s had at HJ.  Had they made it through that first game and got some guys healthy, and through the suspension of their best player, they had a chance to make a deep run.  But as for the three rounds deep comment, until this year there was exactly one local team with the talent to make it past the third round since 2015, and it wasn’t HJ.  I don’t care how good of a coach someone is, they’re not taking a couple of D3 guys and a bunch of roll players and beating teams from houston full of 6’5” to 6’9” guys with D1 talent (or Silsbee with its three D1 players).    There comes a point where coaching ability can’t make up a gap in talent and athleticism.  Look what happened with lumberton this year.  Had a D1 player and some other solid guys around him and got ran out of the gym by Huffman because they just couldn’t compete with the talent.  Or is the Huffman coach just that much better?  And this year’s huffman team would’ve gotten run out of the gym by the Yates and Silsbee teams from a few years ago that Davis couldn’t get past.  

I see what you are saying, I heard Lumberton shot less than 25 percent in the Huffman game that just seems like a bad shooting game and that happens in basketball but I understand what you are saying, this year Huffman team was pretty good I think that for up lost like A total of 10 games in 3 years and Huffman got hot this year. They had prob the best pure pg in class 4A. I said he’s a top 10 coach I just think they have underachieved little hit that’s all I’m saying. 

15 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

No Joe Sigler???

Any list of top area coaches that doesn't include Sigler is bogus.

Sigler is top 4 best coaches in southeast texas, last year was one of his most impressive years as a coach. 

30 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

The problem with max preps is not every game gets posted.  Actual records of HJ under Davis: 

14-15:  28-8
15-16:  26-9
16-17:  24-14
17-18:  31-10
18-19:  28-10
19-20:  27-12
20-21:  20-6 (no tournaments)

district record during that span:  65-11 (includes 4 district champ/co-champ and 3 district runner ups)

No doubt maxpreps isn’t accurate, he’s a top 10 coach I just think with some of the talent he’s  had he should have been more than 3 rounds deep that’s all. This year he had a group who was state caliber.

8 minutes ago, underdog15 said:

Is Joe Sigler Tier 4 😳

Lol that’s what it looks like, Sig should be top 4, I would take DJ and Williams out. Jeffcoat and Mitchell better than those 2 coaches in my opinion. Joubert is top 10 also, dude does have a ring. 

4 minutes ago, 5GallonBucket said:

How bout the new guy at Warren?.

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just messing with y’all 🤣

Give me your list, you seem to be very knowledgeable, who’s your top 10 

11 minutes ago, 3’s please said:

So if Lumberton doesn’t win 20 game and doesn’t make the playoff does that mean coach Mitchell isn’t a good coach anymore? The list the Dragon made seems pretty fair beside Wilson . 

I see what you are saying there no doubt. 

10 minutes ago, The Dragon said:

I feel like making the playoffs four times ever is the opposite of impressive.  How long has Mitchell been there?  What is his overall record?  Where are the big, marquee wins?  I think he's a good coach, but I just don't see him as a top 10 guy in the area.  Maybe that is more of a reflection on how many good coaches there are.

1st Tier:  David Green, Todd Sutherland, Andre Boutte

2nd Tier:  Brian English, Scott Barrett, Kevin Foster

3rd Tier:  Clay Davis, Travis Williams, Chris Pennington, Brian Whitmire, DJ Wilson

No clue on the record, looks like he’s been there around 8 years. All I’m saying what was Lumberton basktball before he got there? Lumberton was alway the laughing stock around this Area for a long time. Marquee wins?? They beat Silsbee at Silsbee this year for the district title that’s pretty marquee. They beat Fannett twice 2 years ago when Fannett beat Silsbee and HJ that year those were big wins against a very very good coach in Rideaux.  Also, I think Jeffcoat does a good job also, DJ wilson has been a head coach for 2 years lol he can’t be in this discussion. Collins guy from hardin is better than wilson. 

24 minutes ago, whsalum said:

Granted this year’s playoff loss was a bad one. Not sure you can hold the losses to Yates against him. I definitely think he’s a top 10 guy.

No doubt I do agree he’s a top 10 coach. 

2 hours ago, whsalum said:

Clay has consistently won 25 games while playing a tough schedule. He lost one game to a great Tiger team when Cartwright hit a 3 at the buzzer. He lost another to the same  Tiger club at HJ by 3. If you charted the talent of each club these games probably shouldn’t be close. Give the guy his due. He’s successful year in and year out. 

Won 21 games this year lost in 1st round, won 20 games year before lost in 2nd round, 23 games year before lost in 2nd round,  25 games the year before lost in 3rd round, won 18 games year before and lost in 2nd round, won 20 games then lost in 2nd round. He’s good but I think program hasn’t made strides under him. Stayed pretty stagnant 

1 minute ago, 3’s please said:

What is your point ? Every school has move ins. He does a great job with the kids he has. Like him or not Coach Davis does a great job and should be on this list. 

He does do a good job. That program was already built though when he took over, if you look since he’s been the head coach at HJ what is his best season at HJ with the program already implemented and structure? I think he has underachieved at HJ. 

1 hour ago, bullets13 said:

A lot of those “any level” players are kids that don’t even look like they could dominate a middle school game.  It’s impressive what they’ve done with those guys.  

How many move ins has he had 

26 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

You’ve literally said the same thing three times.  By college type players are you talking about D3?  NAIA?  You’re severely overstating the quality of players and talent going through HJ.  What HJ does is build good players, but they’re not overrun with college ready athletes like you keep saying.  

HJ gets a lot of move-ins also, College level meaning any level. 

1 hour ago, Tigers94 said:

No names to add besides what's already been said. Of course all these coaches need talent to do what they do. Nobody is taking the chess team on a deep playoff run lol.

 

 

I agree with u!! I thought last with what Sigler did was his best coaching job in a long long time 

Boutte is a legend no doubt he’s up there prob number 1, you have to have talent to win, HJ has college type players every year, Davis does a good job but he has talent every year no matter what, Kevin Foster should be up there also…was McClure a d1 player his sophomore year and Junior year?? Also don’t forget about Buna coach he’s another good one. 

8 minutes ago, no-look said:

Good point on athletes but you have to  continually develop those guys and maintain a level of success. Which he has done. 

Hj has been good since 90s let’s be honest the program at HJ has been good for a long dang time. It’s easy when you take over a great program. He’s a good coach but he’s had it made with a lot of talent.

2 hours ago, no-look said:

You got to mention Clay Davis in the discussion. 20+ wins in last 5-6 seasons at HJ. Won at Jasper and Tatum. 

Those are all schools who have really good athletes everywhere what has he really built? HJ has been good since 90 lol 

20 minutes ago, Cherokee88 said:

This thread gets brought about every 3 or 4 months, I think the guys mentioned are all obviously good but I would probably add a couple guys as well. (Robertson @ BC & Smith PNG). My only question would be what has Lumberton/Mitchell  done without the McClure kid who ended up at Lamar? 

Good question but they have made the playoffs the last 3 years and a total of 4 times in school History that’s impressive.