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Should’ve been a United blowout, they ran a zone almost the whole game and we didn’t have shooters in really until late in the second half. On to the next round. Lots of adjustments to be made if they wanna make a deep run.

8 hours ago, BMTSoulja1 said:

Great win. Kids balled out of control.  They played great defense and grabbed rebounds.  Harrison did his thing..And it becomes a knee slapper when I hear people that say Coach Green is not the answer.... He did a great job...

They obviously have the talent to beat top ranked teams, so who’s to be held accountable for the bad losses? Because they’ve had them. Westbrook? NS beat them by 30. Lol good win, yes. It should open your eyes a little bit more though to what this team is actually capable of. Can you explain to me why Pleasant spent most of the year playing very few minutes coming off the bench? I can’t either. Half way into the year and he’s just now figuring out who his guys are. You gotta hold these coaches accountable man don’t let a great win wipe away some bad losses. 

I hope he is successful for these kids sake, they really deserve a deep run in the playoffs.

What was said earlier was exactly my point about Green.

20 hours ago, understand said:

You have combine Ozen and Central let's give the kids and coaches time, lol this is not AAU  or Summer basketball. As I remember Silsbee and Memorial are the only teams to have go to State and won in the last 20 years and Memorial coach came from Green and Green started at Silsbee . West Brook played up like the6 would against Ozen and Central. Green has sets for offense and a defenses system the kids will get it down but I do understand I'm   UNDERSTAND when a team lose the coach can't coach and when they win he has great players.

You're right this isn't summer basketball. Competition is alot different in AAU, with unfortunately alot less organization and structure.

I'm not going to take away anything from Green, he's obviously has had a ton of success. I'm just saying the game of basketball now is far different than it was 10 years ago. I'm sure this team will be much much better when Dotson comes back, but they should be rolling teams right now as is. From what I've seen, you can't beat great teams with a good press and a stagnant offense, just doesn't work. I do know that he doesn't like shooting the 3 much. Just doesn't seem like hes adapted to the style of play of today.

13 hours ago, Kountzer said:

Not taking anything away from Coach Boute.  He's a great coach, no doubt.  I'm not totally sure how many state championships he has; I'm thinking it is one, with Ozen.   That team had one distinct advantage, they had a 6'10" 260 lb man child named Kendrick Perkins.  No other team in 4A, now 5A, had a player anywhere close to that size.  Lincoln had Bosh, but I am not sure he was around the year Open won state.  

As for the coaching selection and hiring of coach Green, that's a done deal.  I am sure they did their due diligence and they came up with the best coach for the job.  Hindsight is always better than foresight.  

One of the coach's biggest problems is he has to deal with this message board, because it gives voice to all the negative armchair ADs and coaches in the 409 area.  He didn't have that problem at his previous job.

Well, most of the United kids, pretty much every Junior on that team I’ve helped develop since the summer of their 6th grade year and I can tell you from experience a simple modern system and utilizing their strengths brought us a ton of success. I’ve prided myself on doing that so that when they get to a more structured game(high school) they’ll be equipped with the fundamentals of the game. It’s an easy game. It’s just frustrating when you have a coach not willing to evolve to the era. Boutte has. It’s not just coming from me either, the kids see it too.

1 hour ago, BMTSoulja1 said:

And FYI, Bou has NOT won a title on the state's largest classification.  Green has.  This is 6a ball and this team is pretty darn good.  There is old school coaching here now, whereas there wasn't from the old Ozen and Central.  But the kids will get used to it.  Hell, the Silsbee kids adjusted with Sig and it paid off, obviously.  

I just think its too darn early to be having mantrums.  

Man.....where do I begin lol

First off, there have been coaches that win state championships from being given a bunch of talent, and there are coaches that develop maybe less talented players into a system and execute to perfection.

Green has got to go. Period. You’re telling me a guy that’s won a state championship doesn’t know how to attack the gaps on a zone defense? Kasen is gonna have to Coach this offense himself, it’s horrible. The backside lob was there all night he could’ve put Baker there in the corner and had himself a field day. They switched to a box and 1 and United doesn’t have shooters in. So much wrong with this game makes me really question his knowledge of the game. He may be a good in other areas, but Xs and Os he’s not. Why do you have 15 different plays in high school LOL and can’t execute one of them? This team is top to bottom talent wise the best team I’ve ever seen put together. I just don’t feel like Green was the answer. Nothing at all against him as a person but as a basketball coach I’m not impressed at all.

Boutte is the best coach in the area. Followed by Southerland and then English. Green ain’t even in the top 20. All this yelling and cussing at these kids with no solutions and got them standing around on offense holding the ball to try not to lose. Embarrassing. 

To me he's hands down the best player in the area.

FWIW, I saw Nederland Twitter correct the stat line for Hefner, he had 30 not 26.

Does anyone in here still think he's not a major D1 prospect? 

Barbe Holiday Hoops

I believe Barbe is also an NFHS school, so the tournament may be available to watch online.

4 hours ago, BMTSoulja1 said:

Brown plays overseas I think...

He does. I think he’s finally starting to get it. At Texas he was dropping close to 20 a game his final year before declaring and got invited to the combine. He had the most body fat of any player there, went undrafted. Think he got picked up by the Heat for a short time and they cut him. Now he’s over seas, looks healthy. I hope he makes it to the NBA the talent level is definitely there. Hefner is on the same level though. The stuff I see him do is on another level, even against some of the better kids in the country. He’s only going to get better when he starts filling out and the get some size on him.

5 hours ago, Mamba said:

Bro I can respect “your” opinion but that’s it because you have lost your everlasting mind saying he’s up there with J’Covan Brown & one of the greatest to lace em up  man stop that foolishness!!!!!! You must have forgot all the guards to come thru Ozen,WB,Central and heck even Vidor. And before you start talking offers and all that we living in a different era. And then better than Weisbod no sir skill wise yes but overall no . No knock on Hefner but he will never come close to Weisbod he is the most accomplished player Nederland has ever had .Man I like that kid because he’s very very good but don’t put that label on him it isn’t fair to him. Hefner is a baller the most highly recuitable player in his class in this area just let him be him...  #Peace

He will never come close to Weisbrod? I mean, this is a team game. The Nederland TEAM was far far better those years than every year leading up to this year. Individually, it's not even close. Like I said, no knock on Weisbrod but its unfair to compare the two. Acting like that man beat a #1 team by himself LOL...come on man. 

J'Covan got thrown out of several games and had tantrums all through high school. Zero work ethic but his talent was the best ive ever seen, best player I've ever guarded by far...but with an attitude like the one he has/had only gets you so far. I do hope he's faced his demons and makes it to the League.

Are we really comparing Hefner vs Weisbrod?? Is that because of the skin color or what? LOL that's a slap in the face to Hefner as far as I'm concerned. To me, he's up there with the likes of J'Covan Brown as far as guards. One of the greatest guards to ever lace them up in SETX. He's pushing 6'5...his head almost comes even with the rim, he can shoot, he can finish with either hand at an elite level, he's very basketball smart and he can handle the rock. He's also VERY coach-able and has leadership qualities...and thats something Brown didn't have. Sometimes he's too Unselfish. Again, Nothing on Weisbrod but that man didn't even have that skill set 4 years into his career at Lamar. He was an undersized post player. After the small sample size this kid has given us this year, there should be zero hatred on him, he's taking over every big game as a Junior.

35 minutes ago, 5GallonBucket said:

I wonder if boutte knows? When I talked to him before thanksgiving break he was looking forward to having him

I'm sure he does by now, not sure. Like I said, according to Ja'kobi as of Saturday, he's not playing. That could change though I'm sure.

11 minutes ago, BlkMamba24 said:

Defense man who plays defense anymore i saw no one willing to guard Bush. Ask any coach Hs,college or talent evaluator they will tell you Subject has the “potential” to be the best player on United ,it’s in no way a knock on Kasen because he is an excellent guard, this is about projection @ the next level 6’5 intangibles compared to 6’0 isn’t close. Tyrese isn’t lazy from what I’ve seen in the Yates game he was everywhere scoring ,rebounding, blocking shots and then boom back to the bench within 1:30 of play. He has to find a rotation and stick with it trying to play 12-14 guys on that team isn’t gonna work it’s such a thing as being to loaded and they are. As a coach you feel obligated sometimes to play a kid because he is practicing great but at the same you don’t wanna leave you’re staters out if they are playing well. JP doesnt enough touches that kid has great footwork Omar taught him well & you can see it. And yes good coaches will game plan & find ways to make Kasen come off the ball with different schemes don’t be naive & think it can’t happen. They will be fine but in order to beat the good teams you have to be willing to play mutliple styles !!!!!

Subject is nice, but maybe its me being bias again..No one is touching Kasen. I do agree though, there isnt much of an offense over there and they have the talent to blow out Silsbee by 15-20 if they had a system in place. Think Green is having to learn as he goes because Im not sure he knows what he has yet. Justin was with me a few years we ran him at PG some because of his handle and footwork so I know all about that. Tyrese can be very lazy. He was with me too, incredible talent just not sure he has alot of confidence yet. All these kids have to be coached a certain way because with all this talent you have alot of people with expectations of being "the guy"

21 hours ago, BlkMamba24 said:

But back to the Silsbee vs United game. Silsbee fans I mean this as no disrespect but there is no way in hell Silsbee should’ve beaten BU last night.( I did pick Silsbee to win so don’t go crazy). Yea I understand Silsbee has 3 extremely good players along with Tyler who could very well be a star at any other school. But I’m not a fan im a student of the game of basketball and what i saw last night from BU was terrible. No offensive sets ,poor substitutions,lets not even talk about the defense. Silsbee took advantage of all that with 7 guys playing at that pace for an entire game , that in itself is jaw dropping. #5-6’6 Justin Pleaant could not be stopped offensively and he might have had 5 touches,#14- 6’6 Tyrese Baker played 45 secs., #23-6’5 Jaylen Subejct who is the best player on BU doesn’t get in til the 2nd qtr seriously. Lack of shooting will get them too, BU made maybe 8 jump shots for the WHOLE GAME!!!! .Your only true ball handler is Kasen and you rely on him to score because your not running offense. When you start to play good teams they will take him out the equation by trapping him which is what Silsbee should’ve done. BU has so much length but they only play one way you won’t beat good teams playing like that. They are legitimately 10 deep but trying to play 14 guys will get them in trouble every game . There isn’t enough time to do that and you take players out of rhythm. No negative energy here only my thought as a student of the game 

Man...... I agree with a lot of this but Subject is not the best player on BU lol. He doesn't play much defense, that's what got him in the dog house to begin with. Baker and JP I agree with though, maybe because Im a little bias. Tyrese can be lazy though, and Green is old school so that'll get you a first class ticket to the bench. You're not going to trap Kasen like that especially when hes not the only handler.

On 11/24/2018 at 8:16 PM, 5GallonBucket said:

Oh.  Dang.  

Yeah, I'm kind of upset about it as well, he has a little girl to take care of though.

On 11/22/2018 at 9:00 AM, 5GallonBucket said:

Like what others have said he had over 1000 yards as a sophomore at Tomball.   Very good rb.  Better footwork than the others. And knows situational football.... get the 1st down first.  In my opinion he could be the starter Nothing against mcgrue.... mcgrue is very good.  That’s just how good I think jakobi is.  He ll also be on the varsity basketball team. An  All around athlete.

Unfortunately for WB unless something dramatic changes, he won’t be playing basketball.

On 11/21/2018 at 8:18 PM, Kowboy98 said:

He's a RB. Its obvious he has some talent. Looks like he played his Sophomore year at Tomball in Houston and ran for almost 1600 yards and 13 tds

That's according to 247 Sports

Also i looked at a slide show from the Jesuit game. Its a shame I didn't go as i live 12 or so miles away from that School

#14 Yowman did play in that game as well when I looked at the pictures

 

Yeah, JaKobi is a very special player. He wasn’t being treated very fairly in my opinion this year in Tomball after they went from more of a read option scheme with a very very mobile qb last year, to an air it out attack this year. His carries went way down. He actually contemplated coming back to Beaumont earlier but they convinced him to stick around only to continue doing the same thing. Didn’t make much sense to me because he was starting to get letters of interest from Texas, TCU, Baylor, UH just to name a few. Up until last year, he played basketball for me since he was 12. Very well mannered, great kid, and one hell of a RB.

Yes, I mean't "Showcase". Had seats saved for me behind the bench and I gotta miss. Bummer.

Does anyone know if there is a live video broadcast for this Tournament? May not be able to make it.

Will be attending many United games as well as West Brook and some Nederland games. United to me is by far the most talented team in the area. If they don't make a run at state this year they will definitely be in the mix next year.

9 hours ago, 5GallonBucket said:

I knew who u were talking about. He followed flannigan when Flannigan took Tom ball job.  

Yeah I thought you said moved from Flannigan I didn’t think about that being the coach over there. 

1 hour ago, 5GallonBucket said:

I believe the kid he s talking about moved when Flannigan moved and is now coming back.   And the kid will be able to play this year.  Moved back due to family

No I’m talking about Ja’Kobi Holland. From Tomball. Coached him awhile in basketball but he just moved back. 1600+ yards rushing last year as a Sophomore.

For all of you West Brook fans out there, you will be very excited for y’alls latest addition. I don’t think he can play this year, but y’all have a real shot at state next year.