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52 minutes ago, CardinalBacker said:

My understanding is that he’s being charged with falsifying business records regarding the payment of money to Stormy Daniels. Something along the line of Pecker paying her the hush money, then Trump reimbursed Pecker claiming that it was business deductible payments to Cohen… I think at some point it was questioned as to whether Trump illegally used campaign funds to buy her silence. Or something along those lines. I honestly don’t care to learn the specifics because I think that this particular prosecution is bogus, unless it led to tax fraud of some sort. 
 

A bigger question is why Trump bothered to try and kill the story when his good “Christian” followers don’t care how immoral he is.  Y’all need to repent for supporting that godless man. 

How godless are you? You continue to judge others, but how will you fair when we turn the spotlight on you? Are you morally superior to Trump? Or the Christian followers you denigrate? Can you stand up to the scrutiny?

If we laugh at you, does that make us morally inferior?

6 minutes ago, Separation Scientist said:

Trump could have went after the career criminal Hillary Clinton, but he did not.  

I hope he doesn't make that mistake again.

17 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

he'll 1000% abuse this if elected and given the chance.  he's like a petulant little kid.  again, I'm voting for his policy, but he's all about revenge against slights and wrongs, both real and perceived.  

I think we are on the same page on most things, but almost polar opposites regarding how Trump will act as president.

I hope you are right on the revenge thing. I hope he nails them to the wall. God knows they deserve it.

41 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

There is a difference, but I wouldn't at all put it past Trump to do so if he had the infrastructure in place to get away with it like the Dems currently do.  With the amount of effort he's invested in ruining those republicans who've opposed him, it wouldn't surprise me one bit.

It would shock me beyond belief if he tried to. Now, I hope and pray he appoints people that will investigate, charge, and imprison anyone found guilty of the crimes against him...including treason. I would be all for a special task force charged solely with the task of investigating crimes against Trump. Of course the Democrats will be screaming bloody murder that Trump is weaponizing the government against them. We all know the story. From a cursory standpoint, there seems to be a plethora of evidence to lock up many Democrats for a long time. Unless this is done, I see no end to destruction of our political system...and this country.

7 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

Surely you're aware of the great lengths Trump has gone to disrupt the elections and destroy the careers of republican politicians who haven't supported some of his most outlandish claims, or dared to question him or disagree with him about January 6.  You and I actually agree on this issue, although it must only go one way for you, because Trump's actions against republicans who didn't fall into lockstep with him is one of my biggest concerns about reelecting him.  The fact that he took action to affect literally hundreds of republican primaries from national elections down to municipal levels across the country, is concerning. It would've been one thing had he done it in an effort to help republicans win. Instead his purpose was to push out his perceived detractors and install MAGA politicians at every level of government in as many places as possible, and has resulted in a fractured republican party.

Both sides...that is, everyone tries to get their people elected. Trump has not weaponized the government to bankrupt and imprison his political opponents. Night and day difference for me.

12 minutes ago, SmashMouth said:

If that's what you want to believe.

Denial is also in that book. Maybe you should read it.

4 minutes ago, SmashMouth said:

Difference is, your shot was weak. LOL!

At least mine hit the target.

5 hours ago, CardinalBacker said:

I think you’re missing my point- I also believe the prosecution is a mistake, but that’s not the point. 
 

I’m confused that Conservative Christian Right-wing Republican straight white American male family first Trump voters are ignoring the fact that Trump did, in fact, do that awful thing…. But are instead focused on the fact that he’s being accused of covering it up. 
 

There’s obviously no decency or morality in MAGA. But they still believe themselves to be exactly that… the side of decency and morality. It would be funny if the stakes weren’t so high. 

Do you feel you are a decent and moral person? You try to group all MAGA supporters (including me) as lacking those things. Do you include yourself as having these values, especially after looking at the way you treat others? Are you above MAGA folks in moral standing? Are you above me in moral standing? Are you directly impugning my moral standing because I will choose to vote a certain way?

Tell me again, who lacks decency and morality?

9 minutes ago, SmashMouth said:

So you're saying you have a copy?

After all, you're the one who brought up the DSM-5... I simply added to your reference about what it includes.

You simply tried to take a shot. I simply took a little shot back. 

How do you surmise from my post that I am saying I have a copy. Do you regularly read things that aren't written? If so, that book may or may not help you. I don't know.

4 hours ago, CardinalBacker said:

Here’s the thing. I keep dropping facts on you, and you keep on knee-jerk saying “all lies!” I’ve asked you multiple times to point out whatever I’ve said that is factually wrong…but you can’t.  You might not like the facts, and they might make your eyes sweat a little… but it doesn’t change the fact that they are as true. Heck, deep down inside you might even know that Ol’ CB is right, but you believe Trump isn’t to blame. That, sir, does not turn the truth into a lie. What you should have said was is “that may be true, but I’m giving Trump a pass because…” Not “that’s a lie” when the numbers don’t lie. 
 

But for you and everyone that  believes Trump was good for the economy, I’ll give another of my beloved and informative analogies that might help you finally understand. 
 

A man handles his Family’s finances.  He makes a decision that life could be better, so he’s like “this is our year!” He stops all contributions to retirement accounts (cuts taxes) then proceeds to book a trip to Disney, buys nice things for the family and maxes out all possible lines of credit…. Now they’re facing bankruptcy.  The kids (y’all) are now arguing “things were so much better when  Dad (Trump, also your Daddy) was in charge! We had nice things!”

The man set us on a course for ruin with deficit spending, then it accelerated with COVID, then he was such a pig that Biden got elected, and now we’re facing another “anybody but Trump” loss in the November, guaranteeing four more years of nonsense from which we’ll probably never recover. The debt is just insurmountable. We shouldn’t be surprised, either.  Trump has always been a “borrow as much as we can and pray (errrr, hope….not pray. I’m pretty sure he doesn’t do a lot of that) that it all works out” as evidenced by his businesses which have repeatedly bankrupted. 

That's so cute. You actually think you "keep dropping facts" that prove Trump was bad for the economy. You have yet to "drop" one fact that proves your point. Trump's policies were good for the economy, and you can't give any refuting "facts".

Your little analogy comes from some Liberal fantasy land that applies to Democrats. I've seen people fart better scenarios. Trump shut down the government to prevent your little lie from becoming reality. TDS is a hell of a drug apparently.

But keep trying...it might be embarrassing for you but it is entertaining for us.

10 hours ago, SmashMouth said:

Are you suggesting a present for yourself? Lol. 😆 

Everyone who dabbles in pop-psychology should have a copy.

22 minutes ago, CardinalBacker said:

Do you understand what you read? Or did you even try to read it?

Trump added almost as much debt in four years as Obama added in eight, and you’re proud of that fact?

Before you can say “COVID,” I’ll say “housing crisis of 2008.”

Are you still trying to defend yourself? I love it. Literally LOL!

Update: I just realized a fellow poster proclaimed you schooled us on this topic, so I can see now how that must have buoyed your confidence to continue. My bad. Carry on.

30 minutes ago, myrecordwashorrible said:

My question is why do those of you that are staunch Republicans, like me, engage this foolishness?  We have idiots on college campuses behaving like 1930's Germany and you all engage this thread. Where the hell is our next Rush Limbaugh to teach you all again to leave the defense alone and attack the lefts evil and foolish ways. Cardinal just beat you all to hell simply by having any of you having a single response to this. He defined the narrative for 5 pages of waste.  Pull your heads out and quit!

Simple response if you have to have one on this topic it's I DONT GIVE A DAMN.  

Now when and if he, U of Cal at Austin Alum,  or Big Pronoun Lover responds, I will not.  Leave it be! Discuss the things that matter 

5 pages of a set up and you all took it. Disappointing!

Can you please explain how CardinalBacker just beat me all to hell? He embarrassed himself. Does that qualify in your mind as "beating you all to hell"?

What was the setup? CardinalBacker spreading false information? 

I'm fascinated with this post. I don't understand any of it, but still fascinated. Please elaborate for us minions that supposedly just got schooled. You have my attention.

11 hours ago, SmashMouth said:

Careful...Narcissistic personality disorder is in the DSM-5. 🤣😇

1 hour ago, CardinalBacker said:

Wrong again.

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The day that Trump took office, our nation debt stood at 19.9 Trillion dollars (End of Q4, 2016).  After his tax cuts (without corresponding cuts in spending), the national debt stood at 23.2 Trillion dollars at the end of Q1 of 2020 that was the Start of COVID, FYI... Or a total increase in debt of almost 17% during Trump's first three years (and one quarter) in office.  At the end of his reign (with COVID spending for which Trump himself signed off on) was at 27.7 Trillion Dollars.  That's a 39% increase in the National Debt while Trump was in office. 

For further reference, Biden inherited a 27.7 Trillion dollar debt to start.  At the end of Q4 2023, the debt stands at 34 Trillion.  That's an increase of 19% over the first three years.

I know that math and facts hurt your feelings, but Trump was horrible for the country before he allowed "them Dirty Democrats to shut down the economy."  Anybody that says "Trump was good for the country" doesn't know the first thing about micro/macro economics or the effects of deficit spending.  Trump hurt us like no other president, period. 

Anybody that says "Trump was good for the economy" is actually stating for the rest of us with some sense "I don't know what I'm talking about."

44 minutes ago, Englebert said:

Apparently TDS can do some crazy stuff to some people. Why would you say my feelings are hurt? I'm just sitting back laughing at you making a fool of yourself. In fact, my feelings are in high spirits. Your cognitive analysis is worse than your fiscal analysis, and that is hard to beat.

Just to expound a little further, so you are not confused...I, along with so many others, are laughing at your desperation. You are working overtime, nay, double even triple time, trying to convince normal people Trump was bad for the country. His policies provided for peace all over the world, low gas prices, low food prices, energy independence, closed border, low inflation, record low unemployment, and on and on and on. You try to counter this narrative by saying unemployment skyrocketed on his watch. You said this knowing full well the unemployment rate went up due to Covid. Your narrative is just so laughable, to the point of side-splitting hilarity. Who would even attempt this asinine narrative?

Now, even if you get past the utter stupidity of that MSNBC talking point, you provide another side-splitting hilarious tidbit of evidence to back your claim of Trump being bad for the country. You actually tried to tie the stock market going down to Trump...after Covid. You, I, and everybody else knows the stock market was flourishing under Trump...until Covid hit. This argument is just as bad as the other one. Again, who would even attempt this narrative?

The only thing you could remotely muster that had any sliver of truthfulness, is that spending increased. Sure, Trump rebuilt the military and gave them a deserved raise. But he also had to shut down the government due to Democrats demanding an even more, and very detrimental, increase in spending. And in a true extremely exaggerated fashion, you proclaim that spending "skyrocketed". Again, who would even attempt this narrative?

I think I can smell the desperation. Do you have any other whoppers to contribute?

32 minutes ago, CardinalBacker said:

Wrong again.

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The day that Trump took office, our nation debt stood at 19.9 Trillion dollars (End of Q4, 2016).  After his tax cuts (without corresponding cuts in spending), the national debt stood at 23.2 Trillion dollars at the end of Q1 of 2020 that was the Start of COVID, FYI... Or a total increase in debt of almost 17% during Trump's first three years (and one quarter) in office.  At the end of his reign (with COVID spending for which Trump himself signed off on) was at 27.7 Trillion Dollars.  That's a 39% increase in the National Debt while Trump was in office. 

For further reference, Biden inherited a 27.7 Trillion dollar debt to start.  At the end of Q4 2023, the debt stands at 34 Trillion.  That's an increase of 19% over the first three years.

I know that math and facts hurt your feelings, but Trump was horrible for the country before he allowed "them Dirty Democrats to shut down the economy."  Anybody that says "Trump was good for the country" doesn't know the first thing about micro/macro economics or the effects of deficit spending.  Trump hurt us like no other president, period. 

Anybody that says "Trump was good for the economy" is actually stating for the rest of us with some sense "I don't know what I'm talking about."

Apparently TDS can do some crazy stuff to some people. Why would you say my feelings are hurt? I'm just sitting back laughing at you making a fool of yourself. In fact, my feelings are in high spirits. Your cognitive analysis is worse than your fiscal analysis, and that is hard to beat.

7 hours ago, CardinalBacker said:

Back up..... where's the lie?  Please point out which of the facts that I stated are untrue?  There are three facts that I stated.  Which of them is untrue?

Fact: The debt and spending exploded under Trump, even prior to COVID.

Fact:  unemployment was higher at the end of Trump’s term was higher than when he started.

Fact: The stock market was down substantially on the day Trump left office than when he took office. 

 

Just because the facts contradict your beliefs doesn't make them lies.  

 

The fact that you try to bolster your assertion that Trump was a bad president by using "facts" that are not attributable to him is disinformation at it's worse. It is "lying by omission", which is just another way to say big ol' fat lie. Unemployment was going down to record lows before Covid hit. You and I and almost everyone on Earth knows this, but somehow you try to spin this stat as a knock on Trump. Same for the stock market. LYING BY OMISSION. A tactic almost as old as prostitution.

The debt and spending exploding due to Trump is just an old fashioned bald face lie.

You seem to follow the mantra "if you tell a lie enough times it becomes fact." You are starting to resemble Biden now. Do you have any other whoppers to share?

20 minutes ago, CardinalBacker said:

He’s the thing in a nutshell: I can’t even watch Pornhub in Texas anymore because republicans are so opposed to pornography. 
 

But they’re trying to elect a guy who’s on trial for trying to cover up the fact that he was banging a porn star on the side while his wife was carrying their child. 
 

Oh, and the wife’s nudes are also available online.

 

But the Dems are immoral? Gimme a break. 

There you go again...always trying to put people in a little box. Are you saying that every Republican has to walk in lockstep with each other to get elected? That seems to be the Democrat mantra, I find it odd you would capitulate to that Marxist ideology. Then again...

It's funny that you blame Republicans for your inability to get free porn. Who would have guessed the depths that one will go in an attempt to prove the real "big lie".

26 minutes ago, CardinalBacker said:

Fact: The debt and spending exploded under Trump, even prior to COVID. Fact:  unemployment was higher at the end of Trump’s term was higher than when he started. Fact: The stock market was down substantially on the day Trump left office than when he took office. If you want to excuse his failures, that’s okay… but to pretend they never happened is foolish. Personally? If you believe that COVID was a democrat conspiracy, etc… why did Trump allow it to happen on his watch? And  is he going to let it happen again?

 

 

More lies. Your little box you live in must be insufferable. I guess that is why you try to put others in a little box.

Where do you get off accusing me of believing Covid19 was a democrat conspiracy. Does lying make you feel better about yourself?

1 hour ago, CardinalBacker said:

First off, my words are as true as those of St John the Revelator. 
 

I might have said some things that you don’t believe, but those are all facts, not lies. Easily proven. 
 

Which part was dishonest?

You consistently try to say Trump ran our debt up and that the stock market and job market cratered during his administration (along with other MSNBC talking points). That is a flat out LIE, and you know it. Not only are you telling a mistruth, you knowingly are telling a mistruth...which is a blatant LIE...which makes you a "(I don't remember what word you used to describe Trump, something like a purse for dirt)" does it not? You know for a fact that the economy, stock market, and job market was thriving under Trump. You know that the Democrats controlled the house, and proposed a budget that would hurt the economy, in which he shut down the government. Even after this fiasco brought on by Democrats, our economy flourished under his administration. Then Covid19 hit, and the blue states shut down the country. YOU KNOW THIS, but continue to blame Trump. You lie...blatantly. Again, what do we call these people that partake in disseminating misleading information. You coined it...that purse thing. Does the shoe fit? I bet it does.

It is amazing that you try to put "MAGA people" into this little box for the soul purpose of allowing all negative attributes of anyone that will vote for Trump instead of Biden to be attributed. That is a sickening modus operandi of stupid people. It is hard for me to believe that you would adopt that childish stereotyping. But since you are willing, I'm willing to push back.

I'm a Trump supporter. I will gladly vote for him over Biden. So get busy putting me in your silly little box of stereotypes so I can embarrass you some more. You've been shot down by practically everyone on this board when you say stuff like Trump is their Messiah, or that supporters overlook his flaws. Everyone on this board has stated that they don't agree with Trump on much of his behavior, but you ignore these statements and continue with your lies. Oh yeah, since I'm a Trump supporter, those comments were also directed directly at me. So let's go. Prove I'm a simpleton that will ignore all of Trump's flaws and vow to disown the bad ol' orangeman. Let's continue that diatribe you peddle. I now am interested in responding. I also have boxes I can place people in. Whose box is accurate? Better yet, whose box is more embarrassing? I'm fairly certain your box is more entertaining for the board to make fun of. TDS should be included in the DSM-6, or revise the DSM-5 to include it since this phenomenon is so pervasive now. You are a walking, talking picture of Trump Derangement Syndrome. Do you like that box? Can you refute the rationale for placing you in that box. Everyone can refute your rationale for placing them into your irrational box, while you languish in your TDS box.

32 minutes ago, CardinalBacker said:

When you say America is headed down the wrong path, I agree. The Christians are overlooking Trump’s character flaws and misbehavior…. Hardcore fiscal conservatives are supporting him despite the fact that he ran our debt to the moon during his administration and the job market and stock market both cratered.  
 

Trump himself isn’t disputing the fact that he cheated on his wife with a porn star… and y’all are all like “so what?” Proven rapist, etc, etc… just today Trump’s operatives at the Enquirer admitted that the story about Ted Cruz’s Dad and Castro was 100% false.  Don’t say anything about the Dems lying about Russian collusion  Trump was doing it to fellow Repubs. Who would have ever believed that one day there’d be nudes of the First Lady all over the Internet? Even if somebody said “yeah, I can imagine that happening one day,” I wouldn’t have dreamed that candidate would be a Republican.  Straight up dirtbag, and it’s all still okay to MAGA.

It’s a shame, I tell you. 

This is some laughable screed. A professional blowhard would have trouble topping this. MSNBC might be having an emergency meeting to tender you a job offer.

My only question is: If Trump is such a dirtbag, why do you have to lie about the man to convince others you are correct in your assessment? Doesn't that make you the dirtbag?

1 minute ago, SmashMouth said:

You're so silly...

What is silly? You are sounding like Big Girl.

2 minutes ago, Big girl said:

I guess you made it up or you wouldn't have a problem given me the link to an article that support your claims.

Wow. Give it up. Everyone on here is laughing at you...and for good reason.

30 minutes ago, SmashMouth said:

 

Told you so...

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What did you tell me? That you broke board rules and I followed your lead.