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8 hours ago, CardinalBacker said:

 

On 9/18/2017 at 4:08 PM, CardinalBacker said:

 

On 9/18/2017 at 4:08 PM, CardinalBacker said:

 

On 9/18/2017 at 3:49 PM, fox said:

 

22 hours ago, bigdog said:

Win with class/ lose with class then maybe they will get some.   Some of these Crosby posters haven't shown the ability to do either.

I think the kids and coaches do a great job class wise.  Now Dayton on the other hand.....

19 hours ago, fox said:

where was the fifth official?

Good question.  Talking to a chapter president before, sometimes they just cant get the bodies for a fifth.  I read in an earlier post that this game was played with only 4.

28 minutes ago, Smoke on the Water said:

Again let the coach and school officials sort this out. I am certain they will get to the bottom of it all. As far as debate or not? How many pages are now rolling on this thread, how many comments? Ok let's call it a PUBLIC discussion then. Third, the young man has no way to defend himself on this thread because it would be completely inappropriate for him to do so. So why is it appropriate for it to be prosecuted on this site. Again let the officials or coaches or who ever talk with the young man and make interpretation of intent then talk with the coaches and decide what needs to occur or not occur. That is all!

I have been of the opinion also that this is not the medium to judge or accuse the kid.  His actions are on video to see and to pretend it didn't happen does nobody any favors.  I don't think I have seen anybody post anything threatening or disparaging to that young man personally.  There is an abundance of folks taking the high road here.  I don't know his name, I don't want to know his name.  God bless and good luck to the young man.  I can tell you care about this young man and don't want to see him crucified in this public medium.  I don't think that is happening.

However, the actions the school employees (coaches), administration, and the UIL take in regards to this incident is of interest to me and apparently many others.  Many on this board have relationships with these schools in many different ways.  This situation could have happened at any school (yes, your school too).  

Is there a pattern of behavior or communication by the coaches encouraging this behavior?  

Would a fifth official on the field made an impact on the behavior of the athletes during the game?

What action, if any, will the school system take in this situation?

I think these are valid questions to discuss and this is the appropriate forum for this discussion.  We are not contaminating any UIL or school district decisions by having a civil discussion about a real event.  

On 9/16/2017 at 3:47 PM, Cougtalk said:

We returned more than 1 starter on D. 

I pulled up the roster for last year and this year.  Maybe #90 the NT started last year?  As a sophomore?  He only played in 7 games.  But really, its just the corner and maybe the NT.  The LB, #14, only played 4 games last year.  Think he got hurt. 

 

I didn't realize they were that inexperienced on defense.  Explains how BH was able to draw them in and throw over the top early.  Brooks and Perry would have made that much more difficult last year.  By coverage or aggressive tackling.  

16 hours ago, Smoke on the Water said:

I just LOVE all the assumptions and broad strokes folks paint with when it comes to what a teenager thinking about in a situation like this. Hindsight...well it's a beautiful thing for the Saturday morning pundits and trolling mind readers. I am truly sorry the young man was hurt, but make accusations that the Silsbee player was targeting is ridiculously irresponsible and SETX should not allow the young to be maligned in that way, because we DON'T know what the kids intentions were. It's football, controlled warfare, it isthe gridiron and emotions are part of the game. I pray for the Jasper players quick healing!   JMO

The video doesn't make accusations.  This is a recorded witness of a horrible act by one kid.  His intentions are obvious and outside the realm of football at any level.  This is "Controlled Warfare" just as much as the combat in the middle east can be called "Uncontrolled Football".   I understand the metaphor but applying it in this context to rationalize the behavior of kids pushes it too far.

I will agree with you on maligning this kid.  He is a minor.  I hope I am forgiven for all the horrible things I did as a dumb teenager.  The player and the team deserve absolutely ZERO retaliation.  A good team will surround this young man, let him know that his behavior was out of line, and support him in whatever way they can.  

1 hour ago, PrettyBoi10 said:

I was taught Always keep you head on a swivel be violent and physical between the whistle and Hit or Be Hit simple as that this is Football smh what's the big fuss

That play wasn't football.  That wasn't "physical" play.  That is a kid trying to hurt a defenseless person.  Watch it again. He takes his time and waits until the QB has no clue and is completely unprepared.  Then he unloads on him.  This is in complete opposition of any kind of virtue or value that athletic competition provides.  

These are kids and kids do dumb stuff sometimes.  I understand the context.  This was an athletic competition between two teams of kids.   As much as the coaches and fans talk about these games being a "battle" or a "war", they aren't.  That is your baby out there.  My baby.  Our babies.  

My son is a physical DE.  He plays hard and has been flagged for late hits and a hit out-of-bounds.  Always trying to play hard football but sometimes he loses focus.  Hence the penalties.  I have never doubted he is trying to play football.  This hit isn't football.

But keep up that "head on a swivel" attitude.  Keep rationalizing cowardly behavior.  When football is pulled from the parks and schools because it is too dangerous and encourages unsavory behavior, it won't be the kids fault.  It will be ours.   

3 hours ago, Maroon4 said:

I have photos of a Jasper player standing over our injured player laying face down and literally stepping over his head to walk off. He did suffer a concussion and is out for the season. 

Are you speaking of the over the middle hit shown earlier.  Do you think the Jasper kid knew, at that moment on the field, that the Silsbee player was hurt that bad?  

 

3 hours ago, CCbigfan said:

Man Crosby lost a hell of a lot of talent on the defensive side of the ball, only 1 returning Starter on d, we knew it was going to be bad but not this bad smh 

Run defense has been OK. Missing a young MLB that can tackle last night. He should be back soon.  

They had moments last night that were great.  But they don't perform at that level consistently.  It's feast or famine with an inexperienced squad.  

 

3 hours ago, CCbigfan said:

TW 

Uh. Not this game. I know BH didn't have any RB but they can't put a WR in jet motion?

i could set my watch to that first down power right by the QB.  There was some go routes that smoked Crosby secondary early, why nothing underneath once the secondary was in soft prevent?  Was the QB making that call?  That's even worse. 

 

There was a great comeback play from BH15 that was a pure timing, thing of beauty. Ball was out before WR had turned around. Great play. Not run enough.  Coaching?  (We are just fans after all).

BH conditioned this secondary for the deep ball  early.  It dried up in the second half.  There was a beautiful fake power run where 5 pulled up and threw deep.  Suckered the corner hard for a TD.  By the 4th quarter the defense could afford to allow the 3-4 yard QB runs and cap the deep threat  I mean, points are what matters and they were turning these plays into points early but it set a tendency.  Rio was able to adjust for the 2nd half.  It seemed, defensively, BH  didn't adjust much.  Coaching?

I didn't see a whole lot of innovation or questionable decisions by either staff but no way Rio got out-coached. 

Great game.  Barbers Hill made less mistakes and had great QB play the first half. Burned the crosby secondary a lot through 3 quarters.  Were attacking, effectively, the same corner (23) then they worked on 17.  In the 4th quarter, 17 had some beautiful passes defenses. They tried to strike agains 23 and he had a couple great plays. 

Did I hear BH had both RB's out?  I never saw a RB carry for BH.  At all. Didn't notice until now. 

The penalties agains Crosby were deserved. There was some holding and blocking in the back. Some of them blatant. 

4th quarter - Crosby is starting to exploit BH focus on 21. Howard has some decent runs.  Patterson out muscles a contested ball in the end zone for a TD.  Fatigue hits both teams but BH loses speed faster. Defense had some really good stands and that final score was a dagger. 

This game was led by BH for quite a bit.  Both teams brought it. I think BH peaked early and Crosby peaked a little later. Made for a fun game. 

On 9/10/2017 at 4:59 PM, BHFAN said:

Pride , I gave up on that years ago trying to explain that you don't need DIV 1 recruits on your team to be successful. Don't get me wrong they are nice to have, but there are a lot of teams that have these so called athletes that cannot succeed because of there coaching. The kids at BH are very disciplined and have great community support..you get a good coach and things start clicking. Yall are well aware of that and we are just beginning to learn the value of what a good coach can bring to a team.

I think there are DIV 1 recruits inside of every district.  They are there.  It takes the right culture to seek, equip, and support them.  That comes from coaching.  There will always be kids that have talent and would stand out no matter where they are.  The right culture can coach up kids that would usually fade into the roster.  

Kids are kids.  Nobody is feeding kids anything different or have some kind of genetic booster in the water.  It is cultures that enforce the correct habits and behaviors that help these kids shine.  

BH has had a culture shift that has trickled down to the JH level.  I saw BH coaches actually coaching hard for JH track meets this spring.  A marked increase over some recent years.  I see far too many JH coaches coasting and that stinks.  The kids can tell when the coach is just going through the motions.  

Critical rule of leadership -  Teams will copy the leaders behavior before the leaders strategy.  

 

14 hours ago, TradenupBH said:

Here's a factor that I seen Friday night, conditioning. I noticed our boys getting wore out in the 3rd Q. Varsity I think suited out around 48 players. I don't see us with a lot of depth, so if we get in a up and down the field type of game, that favors Crosby. I'm not worried about scoring points because I think our offense is pretty impressive. If Spencer Long is back this week, it will add to the running game. The youngster didn't do bad last week, but Spencer will grind extra yardage and give others a break here and there. The D gave up a lot of yardage last week to a good RB, but Friendswood passing game was horrible and their QB play was horrible. This year Friendswood team is nothing like years past. If we can keep outside containment and swarm to the ball, we can hang with Crosby, but if we miss assignments in the secondary, and tackle poorly, it's going to be a long night. I think we have height advantage on the outside with our WR's, and can capitalize on that. Get ahead early and keep the foot on the pedal. If we beat Crosby, I'll be more of a believer, but I do like what I seen last week. Let's Geaux Hill!

If we assume your observations are correct, and things don't drastically change, then this should favor Crosby. 

• Crosby conditioning was excellent on defense.  Jasper was a physical offense on the field a ton.  Hopefully the offense has the same level.  They weren't on the field for long stretches.
• Crosby will exploit a mediocre run defense.  #21 will get his.  The backup is an OK senior.  The have a corner that was a RB last year that may get involved.  Thought I saw him in the backfield a little last week.
• Crosby QB did not play run first.  He was looking to throw.  (some comments here didn't believe he would) This should be an upgrade in talent to the FW QB.
• Crosby secondary is not dominant.  Jasper is not about the pass.  If I had complete game film, that is something I would want to go back and look at.  I could be wrong.

Looking forward to watching the 8th grade scrimmage (it is a man with no real life that will travel to watch an 8th grade scrimmage) tonight.  

15 hours ago, CCRed said:

And that 2 points could very well be missed PAT's.  Crosby missed 3 of them against Jasper. 

I saw Crosby rotating between 2 kickers.  I did not see who missed what.  

15 hours ago, AggiesAreWe said:

I'm sorry, but when a team (Jasper) fumbles the opening kickoff (without any contact, muffed the kick) setting up the opponent (Crosby) at the 15, then fumbling (no contact, fumbled the pitch) on their 2nd play of their first possession, setting up Crosby at the 6, well the result is 13 points on just 21 yards of offense in less than 2 minutes of game clock.

That's a gift.

Aha.  I didn't get to the game until 9:00 left in the first quarter.  Score was 13-0.   I never asked anybody about those first 13.  Credit to Jasper to keep fighting, lots of teams would have just laid down.  

Jasper did fumble a lot through the game I saw.  

I think the score is an accurate reflection of the two teams.  Getting off into the "well if this happened then this and then that" kind of conversations are a waste.  I am guilty of them also but we can't predict the future or the different outcomes if things had changed.  

Predictions are such a roll of the dice.  Makes it fun though. 

I made it to the game at 9 minutes to go in the first quarter.  Score was 13-0.  I thought “That was quick” and got to my seat.  I am a Crosby parent with 2 kids in the school system with one in athletics.  I am a little biased but this is what I saw –

·       Jasper has some undersized kids that play a lot bigger.  The JV/Freshman teams didn’t seem to have that issue.  They looked big and played that way. 

·       Crosby throttled back in the first half, again.  I am just a dude in the stands.  But I really think Crosby scores fast in the first half and pulls back.  Not just intensity from the kids.  Playcalling seems to drop off. 

·       One of the starting interior LB for Crosby is a soph.  One of the nicest kids from a great family.  He had 4 solo tackles and 1 sack. 

·       Defense looks young.  Except…

o   2 minutes to go in the 2^nd half and Jasper has a long run to the Crosby 1 yard line.  Jasper had a sideline penalty on the run.  Backed them up 10 yards.  Defensive line for Crosby just brutalized them at the point of attack on 1^st and 2^nd down.  3^rd and 4^th down were both sacks. 

·       Jasper recovered an onside kick (perfectly executed) to start the second half.  Promptly scores.

·       (Gulp)

·       Jasper recovered another onside kick.  I am not a mean guy but this kinda stuff is why I would expect a team to be ruthless at least for the first half.  Jasper has momentum and is knocking on the door to taking the lead in this game. 

Ball game is back and forth at this point but Jasper is starting to look winded and Crosby is playing very vanilla. 

Jasper offense is built for ball control and consistent scores but only has one speed.  There is no up-tempo.  They are down by 7 for most of the second half and even have the ball with a minute to go.  They never changed tempo.   

Jasper never stopped fighting.  Crosby left a lot on the table here.  Not including the 2 TD’s called back for holding. 

Tough game next week for Crosby.

On 9/10/2017 at 10:08 PM, AggiesAreWe said:

What about spotting you guys 13 points before the 10 minute mark of the 1st Q? Those two fumbles were gifts, nothing created by Crosby. It seems you want to overlook that part of the game.

Also, Jasper went for it on 4th and 3 from their own 20. Resulted in a FG for Crosby. IMO, that's 16 points "gifted" to you guys and you won by 6.

Paint it as pretty as you need. Fact is, Crosby not as good as you want them to be.

Jasper fumbled a lot.  Quite a few bad snaps.  Their QB lost his composure and was screaming at his center.  He gathered it up pretty quick.  

The whole idea of "gifted" points excludes any context.  How were those points scored?  What was the score beforehand?  Field position?  They weren't "gifts".  Just points.

Jasper up 6-0. 6:49 - 1st. 

7 minutes ago, Hupernikomen said:

Dare we say great game?  Let's hope the next two are as well, though we are told we have no right to think one of them should be.

That was a great game. Jasper has a big TE. Wish more teams could use a TE. Way under utilized.  It ain't like those type kids are under every rock. 

9 minutes ago, OHANA/Cougars said:

I saw the max preps rankings also.  But you go and see the other rankings they have Crosby in the top 35 in 5A i believe it was THCA may be wrong on the website.  Your absolutely correct when you say no game is ever a cake walk, but we have great coaches that make our players aware of that.  I do know the boys are extremly up for this game especially when they saw the post that was made from wedge.  Thanks wedge for firing our boys up.  Gametime baby.

I am seeing Crosby as #74 in the state on Maxpreps.  

If you read this 

 it is done by computer.  The cancellation of so many games may be affecting that.  Who knows.  It also rates Carthage as the #5 football team in Region III.  Ahead of Katy, Dickinson, Cedar Park.  

Me thinks it is broken.  

Where can I get BBQ in Jasper?  I love small town BBQ.

A bunch of senior wide receivers.  

I am digging through some Jasper video.  I don't think Jasper is anybodies whipping boy. 

I always get like this closer to the games.  Over analyze and dig too deep.  Fun though...

1 hour ago, OHANA/Cougars said:

your crazy if you think that is all we have.    A lot of depth an experience at WR.   So keep thinking that number 11 and 21 is all you need to lock down that will be a big mistake.   prediction: 21 will have a career night. 

I expect #10 to go off.  People just don't know.  That kid is a killer.  

24 minutes ago, 2wedge said:

By a ton? Cotton graduated two years ago....you know, the year Crosby made the semis. Howard will play QB a lot like Walter used to, but not nearly as effective. They will try to make him a passer, but he will prove to be a run first guy no matter what is drawn up. The kid will run at the first sign of pressure and will not want to throw the ball. You guys that want to call him a D1 prospect are outside of your minds and you are actually putting pressure on the kid that doesn't need to be there. Let him be who he is and he will be serviceable for you.

Well, we ain't putting pressure on anybody.  A lot of guys on this forum somehow think they influence things on the field, sidelines, or coaches office by what they say on these boards.  Illusions of grandeur abound.  

My point, probably not worded well, was that I can only compare my memories of Cotton playing (watched every snap of every game in the stands) to a couple of Howard's games last year and the scrimmages this year.  2 years is a long time to accurately remember Cottons performance and try to compare to another player.  And not taking into account other factors such as offensive line, defense providing good field position.  Howard did win the Newcomer of the year award for the district last year.  He showed something to those guys that vote for that stuff.

Howard wants to pass.  He knows that is his strength.  

And I am not being snarky, but if I polled this thread, lots of folks think this is a cake walk or tune up for Crosby.  Go to MaxPreps and the rankings for the teams are not.  They show Crosby at #300 in the state overall, and Jasper at #156 in the state overall.  Now I get it, rankings aren't worth a hill of beans compared to the scoreboard.  Spare me.  

Did most of us here miss something?

Is there something screwy with the rankings on MaxPreps?

Heading to the Fresh/JV game tonight.  My younger son played with a lot of the 9th graders through little league and my older son played with the JV kids and backup QB through junior high (awesome trombone player for the BRM now).  Good kids.  The 9th offense is run a little different (to use some different strengths)  than the varsity.  Just what I have seen from 2 scrimmages.  

Howards backup is a good QB also, but he is a sophomore and not even as good as Howard was last year.  

All the talk about the last 2 year playoff exits is legit.  No excuses but there are some contributing factors.  Last years theme seemed to be nagging injuries.  The year before was also injuries but Ridge Point was also more physical.  

How is that going to impact the team going forward?  Jeff mentioned in an interview about injuries and how they impact a teams chances to really go deep into the playoffs.  I wouldn't be surprised to see some rotations and decisions made to prevent injuries (personally think there isn't much you can do) and find ways to get the defense in better positions.  

1. Make the playoffs healthy.
2. Put a young defense in good positions. (saw some special teams changes...interesting)

19 hours ago, 2wedge said:

 You think he's a better pure passer than Tristan Cotton?

uh yeah.  By a ton.  Cotton was an amazing athlete with decent decision making.  But any pass over 20yds became a rainbow jump ball.  He couldn't deliver at distance.  

Howard is the best I have seen for Crosby, arm wise, for the last 5 years.  He isn't the hard runner that Cotton was.  Maybe top end faster.  That is just an eye test, Cotton graduated a while ago.