Red Dawn

1 hour ago, Cougar14.2 said:

I think Crosby's junior qb Jaiden Howard is Aaron Sharp 2.0. Probably doesn't have the long speed Sharp did but will be a more elusive and effective runner when asked. Already taller than Sharp at a legitimate 6-3 was the 21-5A newcomer of the year in 2016. Only saw limited action last year but is already thought of highly enough in recruiting circles to be ranked one of the top 80 recruits in Texas' 2019 class. I don't think 3,500 total yards and 35+ total tds is out of the question. 

Jaiden Howard - 

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Breakout year coming for Mr. Howard. 

6 minutes ago, Bronco94 said:

I'll give you that, preparations will have to be made for sure. 21-5a has changed, you really can't take too many opponents lightly.

I think the district will be tighter this year. Crosby will come out on top but there is not as much distance from top to bottom as is recent years. 

Let the good times roll!!!

59 minutes ago, RaiderGirl2010 said:

A Lumberton football/baseball player,  Braden Carter,  in need of a lot of prayers right now.  Thought he had mono last week but something worse. He has been admitted into Texas Children's 

Prayers

1 hour ago, CougarCal said:

Man, I hope they look in early, like real early.  Like before kickoff and then just don't cut back to this one.

58 minutes ago, Lightning/Eagle said:

I was wondering what you were going to say when I first saw you had posted to this topic. It really did make me LOL when I read it. However, being the first game of the year and you're at home, I believe you will keep it close. I still think Manvel has too much and will ultimately prevail, but I think you guys will hang with them for the first half to three quarters.

I really like this year's Cougars and think they might grow in to being a very good team, but that is a tough Week 1 draw. 

Strap 'Em Up and let's go. 

41 minutes ago, Stattrax said:

The post said best Programs all time in SETX. I didnt see 2006, or last 15 years are Crosby this, or 3 rounds that. If you are going to rank them. Rank them from day 1. Its a no brainer. Who has the most hardware. Its WOS. Period.

 

No one cares about anything but hardware................ Just ask Dan Marino..................

Why you got to throw Crosby under the bus. I didn't rank us as one of the best of all time. Did I miss something?

36 minutes ago, prepballfan said:

WHen typing respect use a capital R...LOL

R-E-S-P-E-C-T

10 hours ago, Red Dawn said:

 

Can't argue with that. The semi final run was 3 years ago. Crosby has improved from being a perennial 3rd or 4th place team in district to being the consistent top team in 21-5A, but besides the semifinal run 3 years ago we can't get past the second round. Until we can put 2 to 3 rounds on the books in most seasons we can't be considered an elite team. With that said, Crosby has a better program than 94.35% of all setx programs. 

7 hours ago, TexazBall said:

94.35%?? That's a lot of teams..I would probably say 85%

Tough crowd. Tough crowd. I get no respect!!! ;-)

9 hours ago, TradenupBH said:

West Brook can't be second for one major reason. Playoff wins. I'm a product of West Brook and I can tell you that in the early 90's when WB had some of the best talent around would go 10-0 in the regular season and lose the first playoff game. I remember WB cruising through the regular season multiple times only to lose in the 1st round of the playoffs. I don't care what classification of competition your playing at, if you can't consistently win atleast a couple of playoff games most years, you can't expect to be in the talks of top program in the area. Also, WOS plays every year with almost no depth on their roster meaning they are fortunate if they even have 2 deep at every position.

6 hours ago, L-Train11 said:

Hmm... sounds like Crosby.

Can't argue with that. The semi final run was 3 years ago. Crosby has improved from being a perennial 3rd or 4th place team in district to being the consistent top team in 21-5A, but besides the semifinal run 3 years ago we can't get past the second round. Until we can put 2 to 3 rounds on the books in most seasons we can't be considered an elite team. With that said, Crosby has a better program than 94.35% of all setx programs. 

5 hours ago, bronco pride said:

Very true. Craig Williams is 3 star recruit I believe and if he is healthy is by far the best back in our district. He has had issues the last 2 years staying on the field but is blazing fast.

Great kid. And if he can avoid the injury bug, will put up 3000 total yards. 

6 hours ago, Stattrax said:

This is what the D word means.

Ill break it down how it was told to us...

When you are playing a team that has more team speed, more individual speed, more size, and better athletes... (WOS-PAM-KATY-STEPHENVILLE-AUSTIN WESTLAKE-LAKE TRAVIS-Any Dallas team............

Your best chance of beating them is play assignment (D WORD) football. You have a guy, make sure you take care of him, because you simply do not have the means (athletes and speed) to make up for errors. So you better tackle well, cover your gap or space well, block well, and do all the little things that might keep you in the game. And that my friend, is your only shot, when you are up against a better team....

 

Now Soulja, being Soulja, just gets a little feather ruffled when he sees the D word.... He knows what it means, but just likes to play with us about it...

 

But Soulja, in the name of something.............. (And I wont have BIaplayer cuss anyone)............... We will still buy you a bag of peanuts............

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Agree with you. But I don't think Soulja is crazy either. Well, I do think Soulja is crazy, just not on this one ;-). 

I've seen two teams play the same type of game and then hear one described as athletic and the other as disciplined. 

You are correct. What you wrote above is how a team can beat a more athletic team. I'm just saying that a team full of good athletes can also have excellent discipline. And a non-athletic team can be undisciplined. 

I know this sounds like common sense but it's very hard for a team with athletes to get credit for their discipline as well. 

5 hours ago, Red Dawn said:

 

I agree. I just think teams that are disciplined and have athletes and win usually just get credit for being athletic. My point is that teams can be athletic and disciplined. 

The great teams are both. 

24 minutes ago, Brubaker said:

Goodness, there is no team in the area more athletic than WOS, some folks are just easily distracted by what they want to hear... not talking about you here

I've never watched WOS but I can't imagine their success on just  athleticism alone. 

1 hour ago, Red Dawn said:

 

 

In yall's opinion, can chaos be disciplined. For example, is a disciplined team one that plays conservative gap control, bend but don't break defense with a conservative don't turn the ball over run oriented offense,

or

can a an aggressive, shoot the gap, blitzing, create turnover style defense with an aggressive chunk the rock offense be disciplined as well?

in other words is discipline a result of the style of play or how well the kids execute the style of play. 

I believe either type of team can be disciplined or undisciplined. I think some teams get slighted as just being athletic bc of their style of play when in fact it takes great discipline to create organized chaos. 

1 hour ago, team first said:

It's how well kids execute any style of play. 

I agree. I just think teams that are disciplined and have athletes and win usually just get credit for being athletic. My point is that teams can be athletic and disciplined. 

The great teams are both. 

5 hours ago, BMTSoulja1 said:

Guys, I know, I know.  I said it to only address the discipline word.  It irks my everlasting nerves...  That word.  It definitely wasn't a knock on WO-S.  

3 hours ago, BMTSoulja1 said:

It a a long standing 'irk' of mine.  I've discussed in the past why it irks me.  The reference to it on this thread was more like a poke and laugh deal...  

15 minutes ago, team first said:

Don't believe it was poke and laugh, but ok. 

In yall's opinion, can chaos be disciplined. For example, is a disciplined team one that plays conservative gap control, bend but don't break defense with a conservative don't turn the ball over run oriented offense,

or

can a an aggressive, shoot the gap, blitzing, create turnover style defense with an aggressive chunk the rock offense be disciplined as well?

in other words is discipline a result of the style of play or how well the kids execute the style of play. 

I believe either type of team can be disciplined or undisciplined. I think some teams get slighted as just being athletic bc of their style of play when in fact it takes great discipline to create organized chaos. 

On 7/1/2017 at 10:01 AM, Red Dawn said:

Did you say "D"? :-)))

10 hours ago, TradenupBH said:

He likes the "D"! Lol

8 hours ago, Bronco94 said:

That D I'm stressing is Defense my little perverted neighbors from the south and the west. That D will be too much for the hill and Crosby this year. More disciplined and we got a corner outta nowhere this year that will be a QB nightmare. 

Ha. I was chuckling bc you mentioned Dayton D. As in defense. Y'all have been tough to beat but putting up points on the Broncs has not been the issue as of late. 

8 minutes ago, WOSgrad said:

Sure, it is arrogant.  But then again, I don't know that setting high goals and expressing those goals is the issue.

The issue is that some, some being Crosby fans but they are in no way the only offenders, tend to use words to indicate that they are looking down their nose at other programs, usually because they are smaller.  And because ANYBODY that gets on this board is by no means a shrinking violet, there will be push back when they feel that has happened.  Heck, that is why we are all here! LOL!

 

Gotcha. And as much as a Crosby Cougar fan as I am I try to be realistic. 

I thought we had a shot at it all in 2015. I thought that the #2 ranking was high but I thought being ranked somewhere between 6-8 would have been legit. 

Then we played a poor game vs a very good Ft Bend Ridge Point team and the dream was over. 

The team that went to the semis in 2014 had moderate expectations and look what they did. 

I think this 2017 team should compete for and win the district championship. After that, I'm not sure. If they stay healthy, play together, and a few unknowns emerge...

32 minutes ago, Red Dawn said:

Ok. I change mine to Crosby vs anyone in the State Championship Game then!!! 

4 minutes ago, WOSgrad said:

Why not? I know Coach Riordan is thinking that way!

I am not trying to discount any regular season games.  In fact, I know that the Mustangs have several tough tests ahead of them in their 2017 schedule.  And there are several games involving local teams (a lot of them have already been mentioned) that will be worthy of getting large attention because of either tradition or the strength of the teams involved.

But it you want to win big, you gotta think big.

I agree. But My goodness, how much grief have us Crosby fans caught for mentioning that we thought we had a shot at a State Championship?

4 minutes ago, Brubaker said:

I wasn't saying that WOS could beat anybody in 5A, I was referring to their defense.  I do think they had one of the top defenses in the state, even at the 5A level and I stick by that.  The comment was in reference to why I thought WOS last year would've beaten PAM, which I think they would have.  WOS 2016 defense was elite at any level, that doesn't mean I think they beat all of the 5A and 6A top teams.

I've always thought the discussions about hypothetical games vs other classifications as well as downplaying playoff success bc of being in D2 vs D1 was a bunch of hooey. The kids play who the bracket puts in front of them. If you win 6 Texas High School Football playoff games in a row, regardless of classification or division, you're pretty dad-gum-good. 

And WOS is an ELITE program. The pride of SETX imo. Time for the rest of us to pull our weight. 

7 minutes ago, WOSgrad said:

I think Brubaker was speaking strictly at the local level.  WO-S has had success against local 5A teams (14-2 against current 22-5A teams, 2-0 against Dayton since moving to 3A/4A) and teams in 4A Division I ranks (10-0 against 4A-I teams, including 4A-I state semifinalist Kennedale).

But outside of the areas above, I agree completely with you.  With that and a couple of state championships under the belt, some of our fans wish to think that they can whip anyone.  I don't follow that line of thinking as I know there are a number of teams across Texas that are capable of taking my beloved Stangs.  Would I mind facing those teams to see how they measure up?  Not at all.  Do I think it is vital to prove something?  No, WO-S has 2 trophies in their case from the UIL which is all Mustang fans need to point to show the Mustangs' worth. 

That is why I have refrained so far in this thread from listing what I would consider the Mustangs "game of the year."  Do the Mustangs have some marquee games? Yes.  Some intriguing games?  Absolutely, especially for the local crowd.  However, as far as I am concerned, there is only one "game of the year" that should be in consideration, that is the one that I hope that they are playing the weekend before Christmas.

And I am sure that you have the same considerations as a Carthage fan.  And your school provides the textbook example of what I am speaking of.  On 9/23, the Bulldogs travel to Gilmer.  They will play a game that will probably feature the #1 ranked teams in 4A-I and 4A-2.  A game with so much marquee value that it will be played on a Saturday instead of the usual Friday night.  However, can that really, for either Carthage or Gilmer, be considered their "game of the year?"  If the Bulldogs shut down Poppy Brown and company and win the game, the Bulldogs gain literally nothing out of the game with the exception of bragging rights and the experience of facing a tough team.  On the other hand, if Mr. Brown goes for 400 yards and the Buckeyes win, I don't see Susan Elza denying Scott Surratt the 4A-I trophy should they be so lucky to win the last 4A-I game of the season simply because Carthage lost to Gilmer.

I guess what I am trying to say is that your game of the year kinda depends on what you are trying to achieve.

Ok. I change mine to Crosby vs anyone in the State Championship Game then!!! 

19 minutes ago, Red Dawn said:

For playoff purposes you are 100% correct. That loss to Splendora last year was a back breaker. 

16 minutes ago, bronco pride said:

Yes sir that's why I think it's a big game. 

That and Porter's victory over Crosby hurt the Broncos a lot. 

I actually like it when Crosby, Dayton and BH are the top 3 in 21-5A but if Crosby hopes to go D2, that only leaves room for me to root for 1 of the 2 (Dayton or BH). 

6 minutes ago, bronco pride said:

Crazy as it sounds I think Daytons biggest game will be against Splendora. The kid from Splendora ran for well over 300 yds against Dayton last year which is by far the most yds by a rb against Dayton in at least the last 20+ years. It's a game Dayton should win but it's also a game if they lose will most likely put Dayton finishing under .500 again. I think their other big game will be Humble because that game could possibly be for the 4th playoff spot.

For playoff purposes you are 100% correct. That loss to Splendora last year was a back breaker. 

18 minutes ago, Bronco94 said:

I do think Dayton will be much improved this year all around, unlike Crosby with exception of a healthy rb. Won't be enough.

Bronco94, you are definitely at the top of my list for 2017 fan of the year. I respect your support of your team. 

Crosby will lose to Dayton or BH again at some point. I don't see it being this year. But then again, I thought Crosby should have blown Dayton out the last 3 years and didn't. So you never know. 

"That's why they play the games."

5 hours ago, Bronco94 said:

I know our games of the year are always when we play Crosby and The Barbies Hill. Crosby who only won the past two contest with OT, and the Barbies Hill whom only won last year, won't have the same luck this year. Manny is gone, his OT run got the W last year, and the Hill, I just don't know, I was there and I couldn't believe what I was seeing, for one, a couple ints., one resulting in a TD from a linebacker and the rest is HISTORY!!!!! 2017 Broncos take revenge out on these two teams this year, I once said if we didn't win any games but the Crosby and the Barbies Hill game we'd be fine with it, but this team will be not only doing that, they gonna do way more than that. We are young, but talented. We are young, but determined. We can beat the Coogs. We can, We will, Kill the Hill. We will be a top contender, Again. 2017 Dayton Broncos, a force to reckon with. 

So, just to be clear, you think Dayton will be back in the mix in 2017? ;-)

I agree with you in that Dayton and Barbers Hill are our big games too. 

For accuracy purposes, Crosby's last 2 victories vs Dayton were not OT games. OT was in 2014 & 2016. 2015 was a 10 point win for Crosby in Dayton. It's easy to get the years mixed up due to all the Crosby victories in a row.

Although it's easy to identify Dayton and BH as Crosby's 2 big games, they get that status in two very different ways. 

Crosby vs   Dayton / BH

2013             33-27 / 63-26

2014       OT 41-35 / 30-7

2015             30-20 / 40-21

2016       OT 41-34 / 42-18

Crosby is 8-0 vs Dayton & BH over the last 4 years but the Dayton game is always close (7.25 avg margin) while BH has struggled to be competitive (25.75 avg margin). 

Its interesting that most odds makers would give BH a better chance than Dayton of competing with the Coogs in 2017. Although I agree that BH is more of a lock for the playoffs in 2017 than Dayton, I'd give Dayton a better chance of beating the Cougars due to their history of being able to keep the game vs Crosby close until the end. With that said Crosby will be 2-0 vs their two biggest rivals again in 2017. 

Go 21-5A

Go Crosby!!!

I think it could be fun but:

1) I don't think us regular fans can be impartial. 

2) I really only know 21-5A. 

2 hours ago, Gamewarden 54 said:

1. Crosby - great talent lost some offensive line  but their skill played will show out (Crosby has 4 of 5 starting linemen returning as well)

2. Barber hill - proubly most displined team on here and plus they have some returning starters coming back (BH will be competitive but not sure why they get labeled as most disciplined team on here.  Kind sounds like an atmosphere kinda conversation)

3. New caney- lost 3 starters on offensive line lost their rb and there star receiver and they lost a lot of defensive of lineman (Um, Yikes)

 

4.humble - they are really talented they just ain't displined and good qb lost a lot of lineman they have a good returning secondary and they are really fat went pretty far in track this season (No issues with this comment. I agree. They put it together a bit this year.)

5. caney creek- they return with 9 starters on defense lost a lineman and a receiver and there defense returns with 8 they improved a lot they went to porters 7 on 7 league and beat porter and lots of other teams but they will be in the run for a playoff spot (I like returning starters if they were quality returning starters that have a clue how to win. I just don't see CC making that big of a jump, returning starters or not.)

6 Dayton - lost their qb lost that great receiver #1 and they just have to have a strong defense this year if they want a playoff spot (I agree that Dayton will struggle but I'd put them in the 5 spot over CC.  I'd take a lack of experience in a good program over a lot of experience in a poor program any day.)

7. Porter they lost their whole offensive line their qb there 3 good receivers have a good retiring rb and a great safety they still have a good coach will see what happens but they will be fighting also for that 4th spot (Good analysis but I'd place them over CC)

8. Kingwood park - lost a lot of their offensive line lost that #2 player which played every spot and they just need a stronger offense and someone needs to step up on their defensive side (✔️)

9. Splendora has a great rb but they need to move to a spread offense or they will lose all their games because their offense line gets beat up like every game maybe throw the football more (You're probably right but I just like the fight in the Wildcats. They won't finish last)

5 minutes ago, CougarCal said:

I have to say Bronco Pride is spot on.  I'm agreeing with your assessments spot on.

Yep. And just bc you have concerns about your team doesn't mean that you aren't a faithful supporter.