teeboan
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Yeah we had the same issue today. With 8 minute quarters it took 45 minutes to play the 1st half... The score was already 6 - 0 and the clock still had never been started. Time outs called and clock wasn't stopped for almost 1 minute one time. The referees need to have an official timekeeper and not rely on someone operating a clock. In this case it was a kid. You know something isn't right when points are being put on the board for a td and one never was made....
the refs have nothing to do with who runs the clock. that is the the responsibilty of the home teams
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i had a long good response to ya raider44 but... in short..everyone has their opinions...and i dont agree with you...at the high school level yes....at 9-10 years old no.
there should be a set limit on temperatures.... its very dangerous regardless of how tough you think it makes the 6 year old flag kids on saturdays. ( Even a time limit or longer mandatory half time..something)
Next lightning storm and a game gets cancelled..lets give em all long steel rods and have em hold those while they play..that'll toughen em up. ( More kids die from heat related illness's every year than the same amount of lighting strikes over 10 years) and besides..you said it best..we do live in SOUTHEAST TEXAS for pete's sake..we should act like we have a brain and let it reflect in our decisions when dealing with our kids safety.
Im all for a mercy rule in youth sports...i actually think the 10 run rule is a great rule in little league baseball...we are here to protect these kids physically and mentally.
The kiddos playing 3-5 baseball games on Sunday..should have been sitting in Church.. THATS whats wrong with the world today.
This isnt Marine Boot Camp...it's junior league football... does em no good to be tough and all at 9-10 if they end up hating the game and dont choose to play in high school.... and I'll leave it to a man named Faircloth to prepair my boys for two-a-days. They are ten..im pretty sure it doesnt take 6 years to get in shape for two a days .
hey but to each his own...your intitled to your opinion...like me mine..i tend to go overboard with safety stuff...im a fireman/medic by trade and have dealt with plenty of kids with heat injuries...scary thing when dealing with kids. they crash fast.
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Wow, didn't realize what a can of worms this would open. I'm just saying in my opinion as a guy who has been a hi school, semi pro, pee wee ref for the last 10 years it seems that if 10 minutes is too long for 14-15 yr old kids that have been through 2 a days and on a year round work out program and play late in the evening it's probably too long for the little fellas that play at hi noon. I know when we get mid way throught the 4th quarter in most instances, I don't see the competive fire the their eyes anymore. The majority of them are ready to call it a day. Oh well, this point will be moot in about 8 weeks when it cools off to 85!!!!!! If I was the Grand Pooba of the league, we'd play 7 minutes quarters with every kid having to play 1 quarter but that's just me...Good luck to you all this year......
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WOS White junior - 54
png purple junior - 0
PNG was beat before the game even started. On a side note...OMG it had to have been the hottest day for junior league football in the history of the world. MISERABLE..Poor kids..couldnt imagine playing in conditions like that...I dont know why they dont schedule more evening games...I guess when a kid falls out with heat stroke they'll take a look at it. No way in heck boys this age should be playing football in this kind of heat. It's actually kind of dangerous if ya ask me. When a kid crashes from a heat related illness..they crash fast and your in trouble. Hope everyone stays well hydrated this summer.
And may I add that 10 minute quarters are WAY to long....they don't play that long in UIL sub varsity games for a reason. Take note of all the injuries you start getting in the 4th quarter. It's because the game should already be over.
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They ask us every year (TASO officials) if we would like to suggest changes. Every year I suggest they ban all blocking below the waist. It's getting there slowly but surely. Along the same note, I got my new rule book last week. They now are good for 2 years. This year's rules are good for 2009 and 2010. The rules committee will not meet again until after the 2010 season.
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We had a young lady join our chapter last year. She (like all newbies) worked jr hi games and the chains/down boxes on Friday nights. She worked the chains for my crew once or twice and did fine. I never really heard anything good or bad about her game calling. Don't know if she'll be back. We don't get many newbies back for their second year. You have to do it for love of the game because the money sure ain't worth the bull you have to endure!
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Interested in becoming an official? The South East Texas football chapter of TASO begins weekly meetings July 20, 7:00 pm at the IBEW hall in Beaumont. Come join us!
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10-6 in the 7th It was an offense packed game.....Hazelwood with a great put out at the plate from center field....Umps were calling low strikes, but they were consistant. Josh Harris was thrown out at first by a phantom touch, but I saw it from about 200 ft...then I consulted a fan (Hemphill) behind 1st base...it was the Bob Uecker all over again.."he missed the tag"..anyway..some great hitting, and some poor base-running by both teams cost some runs... Jasper has a great field...I really like the brick wall, and the green Moster!!!
FOOTBALL STARTS in 100 DAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just and FYI, Hemphill doesn't like to use Bmt chapter..those umps were from Tyler, so I herad.
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Happiest person around when we return to baseball will be Mrs Ruth. She tells me i've been crowding here space since I've been home every night. Should I be worried?
just be ready for the inside fastball, the space belongs to her!
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Many of us have witnessed it time and time again. And don't think ejections are the only thing that counts as bad behavior. Those are just the times the umpires have had enough. Many times the umps are concentrating on umpiring when those in attendance get to see much more, and unfortunately, the guilty ones have given us much to see.
Well, you are right about one thing as an ump, I concentrate on the game on the field. The dugout and stands are really of no concern to me. It takes all my concentration to be where I need to be and stay on top of everthing ON THE FIELD. Now let me say this. I was behind the plate for this game and both teams played hard and acted like sportmen should as far as I saw. Both teams players were very cordial and had smiles on their faces evertime I talked to them. I had good conversations with both catchers (Joran fromd WOS and Kyle from HF) all night long and never heard anything negative. After the game several HF players walked up, shook my hand and said good game. You expect that from the winning team (which they did) but when the team that lost does, that shows class to me. So let's not throw these kids under the bus for a couple of isolated incidents.
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has any other players been kicked out of a game this year? and lets limit this to the golden triangle area. HF has how many? 2 at least? sounds like we have a lack of discipline problem with this program. i know when we played HF players would argue balls and strikes and everthing else until the ump had enough and gave a kid a warning.
i agree with what is being said. players play ball, coaches coach, and fans cheer, scream, and holler at umps or whoever.
awww thats such a TERRIBLE thing that the hf players say something when they think its a ball instead of a strike.if you played the game i know for a fact that everyone does it...sorry that we get umps that dont have a clue and just eject people for stupid reasons. and the players that got ejected didnt do anything for you to sit there an say that the progam doesnt have any class..you wouldnt know cause you werent in the dugout..if our players were to of done something so terrible to the ump, then you would have heard the coach say something to the player....and if # 6 did something so wrong to the ump at bc then why is it that both coachs went over there to talk to him and to say how stupid he is for making that call...im pretty sure that if that player would have done something so bad like everyone claims he did i positive the coaches wouldnt go over there to try and argue the call..now if anyone else wants to say that that hf doesnt have any class this year then there is somehting wrong...i promise this team has made a complete turn around from the way we treated the game last year and the way we do now..and i promise that that program has alot more class then anyone else thinks
2 things - 1 arguing balls and stikes is an AUTOMATIC ejection 2 - the ball field is an extention of the classroom, language not tolerated in the classroom isn't tolerated on the field either
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It was a fielder's choice. If Cloeren had thrown to first, I would have given it a hit if the runner had beat the throw.
wait what? infield hit by LC-M but Cloeren who play for LC-M didn't throw it to first? come on fellas lets get on the same page my head is hurting lol
I think TD got it backwards in his earlier post. It was no no for Brown for 6 innings, then Barry for 7th no hits. then BC with 2 hits in 8th.
Yes they gave BC an infield hit in the 5th I think it was. I did have it backwards but I have now fixed it. Sorry for the confusion. I would have scored it differently but that's not what was put on the board. I agree as far as I was concerned there were no hits on either side through 7 innings.
thanks td that was really confusing me
This was the best game. If you missed it you really missed something. If you like good pitching that is. All three kids were great. This kind of game makes an old man think he still has one good inning left. Knowing good and well I can't bust a grape, it sure makes you want to get out there and try.
wow what a game I was fortunate enough to have the best seat in the house, I was calling balls ans strikes this game really recharged my batteries and you BC/LCM fans made it better, two great fan bases thanks for a great time
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In Texas, high schools play under NCAA rules. The horse collar tackle was outlawed last year.
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We are paid less to do a High School game than most summer leagues are willing to pay. Most states have pay scales more than us. Now look at this list and these prices are average prices. You do not need to buy these things every year of course, but they do wear out and need to be replaced.
Shirts 30.00 ea min of 2 ---- ---60.00 most have at least 6 180.00
Under shirts 15.00 min of 2--- 30.00 most have at least 6 90.00
Pants 50.00 min of 2 ---------100.00 most have at least 4 200.00
Jacket 65.00 -------------------65.00 many of us have Blue and Black so 130.00
Hats 16.00 min of 1-------------16.00 many have 4 64.00
Ball Bags min of 1 --------------12.00 many have 2 blue 2 black 48.00
Belts min of 1 ------------------20.00 need a backup have 2 40.00
Ball and Strike Indicator ---------5.00 most have many lets say 4 20.00
Plate Brush ---------------------4.00
Mask --------------------------80.00
Shin Guards ------------------- 70.00
Chest Protector ---------------160.00 if you want to be protected well
Plate Shoes -------------------125.00
Base Shoes --------------------60.00
Socks min of 3 pair -------------20.00
Cup ----------------------------6.00
Jock ---------------------------15.00
or
Compression Shorts ------------25.00
Total 873.00 average minimum or could be as much as 1200 to 1500 dollars.
No other sport even comes close to the money it takes to Umpire Baseball. So you say you can't lose money. You could possibly in your first few years. But even if you didn't lose money there is much overhead. I am already 130.00 in the hole this year for what I have bought. That isn't much for this year. Last year I spent around 300.00 upgrading some worn out items. If I do 30 games this year at 45.00 per game thats 1350.00. I have spent 130.00 lets take that off. Thats 1220.00 divided by 30 is 40.66. Now we do scrimmages for no money, we have training and meetings every Wednesday here in Beaumont. Thats time and money. I know this was not directed at me, but I want everyone who reads this to understand we must do this for some other reason than money because there is not that much to make. It is time we get a fair pay for the amount of time and money we spend to be there so it is worth our while and maybe we could keep more members who have just decceided they are not going to take the verbal abuse and under appreciation they get.
We are paid less to do a High School game than most summer leagues are willing to pay. Most states have pay scales more than us. Now look at this list and these prices are average prices. You do not need to buy these things every year of course, but they do wear out and need to be replaced.
Shirts 30.00 ea min of 2 ---- ---60.00 most have at least 6 180.00
Under shirts 15.00 min of 2--- 30.00 most have at least 6 90.00
Pants 50.00 min of 2 ---------100.00 most have at least 4 200.00
Jacket 65.00 -------------------65.00 many of us have Blue and Black so 130.00
Hats 16.00 min of 1-------------16.00 many have 4 64.00
Ball Bags min of 1 --------------12.00 many have 2 blue 2 black 48.00
Belts min of 1 ------------------20.00 need a backup have 2 40.00
Ball and Strike Indicator ---------5.00 most have many lets say 4 20.00
Plate Brush ---------------------4.00
Mask --------------------------80.00
Shin Guards ------------------- 70.00
Chest Protector ---------------160.00 if you want to be protected well
Plate Shoes -------------------125.00
Base Shoes --------------------60.00
Socks min of 3 pair -------------20.00
Cup ----------------------------6.00
Jock ---------------------------15.00
or
Compression Shorts ------------25.00
Total 873.00 average minimum or could be as much as 1200 to 1500 dollars.
No other sport even comes close to the money it takes to Umpire Baseball. So you say you can't lose money. You could possibly in your first few years. But even if you didn't lose money there is much overhead. I am already 130.00 in the hole this year for what I have bought. That isn't much for this year. Last year I spent around 300.00 upgrading some worn out items. If I do 30 games this year at 45.00 per game thats 1350.00. I have spent 130.00 lets take that off. Thats 1220.00 divided by 30 is 40.66. Now we do scrimmages for no money, we have training and meetings every Wednesday here in Beaumont. Thats time and money. I know this was not directed at me, but I want everyone who reads this to understand we must do this for some other reason than money because there is not that much to make. It is time we get a fair pay for the amount of time and money we spend to be there so it is worth our while and maybe we could keep more members who have just decceided they are not going to take the verbal abuse and under appreciation they get.
Ump, you left out our local and state dues we pay every year. I drive over 800 miles each season just attending our weekly meetings.
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Hey ref, you call that ball short by inches? I heard your wife say the same thing............
you should hear what we refs say about the local yokels in the stands....the players get a kick out of it!
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No.... I just hate when the officials have a bearing on the game...Need to look at the penalties for both teams.... Wife said it wasn't very good.
there were 4 on Buna and 6 on Deweyville, I was one of the refs. it was a hard fought game by both teams. Closer than the score indicates. The ball bounced Bunas way. how many turnovers did Dville have? It's a shame people like you can taint a good game played by great kids.
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?? i dont get it. so they gonna ban this statewide?? alot of schools support like this.
I've been out of school a looooooong time but do they still play shirts vs skins in gym class?
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"The fair catch bobble does nullify a fair catch from my understanding"
Not true...If a fair catch signal is made the receiver can bounce the ball all over his body until he catches it and the defenders have to give him room. But once it hits the ground it's a live ball.
"and the guy was blocked into the receiver on that play."
It looked like such was the case, but if so why no flag on PNG for illegal block in the back??
I thought for the most part the crew did pretty good with the execption of that one brain fart they had. I doubt all 12,000 people have ever left MCM without at least one fan complaing about the officiating.
Thank you for your support. The brain fart can be blamed on me. I was walking back to step off the holding penalty and replay the down when the dead ball fould occurred. That's what threw me off. I knew they would take the penalty and wipe out the gain so i forgot about the yardage gained. We/I gave the Ned. captain wrong options because I told him if he declined the live ball and took the dead ball the down would stand and they'd be penalized 1/2 the distance from the previous spot, which is what he accepted. That was wrong, I lost track on the yardage gained. If we had gave him the correct options he would have accepted both fouls. That would have put the ball on the 11 for the live ball then half the distance for the dead ball and it should have been 2 down with the line to gain still the 31. Instead we gave them 3rd on the 12 with the line to gain still the 31. I wish it didn't happen but it did. It was not a late hit call it was spearing, he lead with the crown. That is called to protect the tackler not the ball carrier. Tackles like that can caused spinal damage. The fair catch/no fair catch was deemd not a fair catch signal, but shading his eyes. the waved off flag was because the kid was blocked into him. for the record none of our crew lives,lived, schooled or know any kids that play in mid county although one nice lady informed me different. I still have a little bit left on my left cheek if someone would like to chew on it.......fire away
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Central was giving the game away. Vidor will make the playoffs, whos spot will they take?
not trying to be critical, but were you there??
because central din not give that game away in no way whatsoever
the missed 25 yard field goal that hit the scoreboard was imo the deciding factor in the game
not tryin to put the kicker down, buy he shanked it terribly
i also was completely disgusted by the option call on 3rd and goal from the 11 (which set up the missed field goal)
you DO NOT try to run option on central, too much team speed on the defensive side over there
and to add to that, it wasn't even a power option, it was speed option.....
i just don't see why refs can't officiate games smoothly and fairly for both teams in every game, its such a simple philosophy... you see a penalty, you call it, if you don't see a penalty, don't make something up...
for instance on the first onside... we were called for an offsides penalty... none of our guys were even near being offsides... and the ref threw the flag AFTER we recovered it...
i am in no way blaming this on the officials.. i just think it could have been called more fairly
You sound like you would make an outstanding official. Why don't you join our chapter?
thanks for the compliment :-)
and im only 18, and would not know how to go about it, if anyone could send some info that would be helpful, i have reffed and coached little league games before
We start meeting in Beaumont,the 2nd Monday in July and meet every Monday after until the season is over. We have plenty of guys that started at 18. Love to have you join. I'll see to it we post something here next June about our meetings.
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The mayors of Port Neches, Groves, and Nederland are running commercial talking about Mid County Kindness. Asking the fans at tonights game to wear "Red" in support of Bridge City. Also talking about the volunteering in the clean up effort that they are supporting.
We (officials) will be wearing red arm bands.
The zebras??
LOL yes, the Zebras
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The mayors of Port Neches, Groves, and Nederland are running commercial talking about Mid County Kindness. Asking the fans at tonights game to wear "Red" in support of Bridge City. Also talking about the volunteering in the clean up effort that they are supporting.
We (officials) will be wearing red arm bands.
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Central was giving the game away. Vidor will make the playoffs, whos spot will they take?
not trying to be critical, but were you there??
because central din not give that game away in no way whatsoever
the missed 25 yard field goal that hit the scoreboard was imo the deciding factor in the game
not tryin to put the kicker down, buy he shanked it terribly
i also was completely disgusted by the option call on 3rd and goal from the 11 (which set up the missed field goal)
you DO NOT try to run option on central, too much team speed on the defensive side over there
and to add to that, it wasn't even a power option, it was speed option.....
i just don't see why refs can't officiate games smoothly and fairly for both teams in every game, its such a simple philosophy... you see a penalty, you call it, if you don't see a penalty, don't make something up...
for instance on the first onside... we were called for an offsides penalty... none of our guys were even near being offsides... and the ref threw the flag AFTER we recovered it...
i am in no way blaming this on the officials.. i just think it could have been called more fairly
You sound like you would make an outstanding official. Why don't you join our chapter?
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When the defense gets a delay of game call you know the officials are bad.
haha no joke
this really happend?
Did you know the signal for "disconcerting signals" is the same as delay of game? If a defensive player is saying "hut,hut" or something sounding like that, they are flagged for disconcerting signals and the delay signal is used. Not saying that's what happened but it may have. Also let it be known that the chapter in question is not ours (Bmt).
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I agree totally that umpiring is not an easy job and certainly mostly a thankless job. I also agree a coach should not let any situation reach the point where he should/would be ejected from a game. That being said a coach also has a responsibility to protect and "go to bat for his kids". A coach should have a right to question an umpire's call without an umpire ejecting him as long as he is civil.
I questioned an umpire's call on a strike this season when the ball was called a strike over the kids head with the game on the line. I merely asked the ump how could he call the pitch a strike and got threatened with an ejection. The kids can't question the call, they just go back to the dugout shaking their heads and feeling that it doesn't matter how good they are, just that the game was taken away from them. If a kid feels wronged and doesn't have someone willing to stick up for him this is just as bad an example as a coach being tossed. Every umpire should strive to get the call right..even if it means changing their initial ruling. Are umpires perfect, no few of us are. There will be mistakes, it is an extremely difficult job and thankfully they are willing to subject themselves to the abuse they do have to take. However, every coach should have the right to question a call but any coach crossing the line into lunacy should be suspended for a few games.
Arguing balls and strikes is an automatic ejection. The umpire has no choice. I tell coaches before the game, that if I call a runner out at home and everybody but me sees the ball on the ground, if he will ask for time and come to me calmly and ask me to get help, I will. He if comes running at me screaming like a mad man, it's going to be a short game for him. Same with a bang/bang play at 1st. If it's just a close call, don't come out but if you think the fielder was off the bag, ask me, I'll get a second opinion if I'm in B or C postion. I have had high school coaches come up to me acting like they had line up changes, but are actually just getting their point across. As long as he is calm and respectful and not making a scene he can say (almost) anything. It's not your objection that gets you tossed, it's your presentation....................
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I have seem it checked! Once in my life and I have been to ALOT of games.
What did they do put a gauge on it?
Yes, we carry an air guage and a pump..If they aren't between 12.5 and 13.5, we add or let out air...we also check the chains and field markings before each game too, we get to the stadiums a couple of hours before game time..we meet with both head coaches before games also...after the game we meet the head coaches again and give them each a game report, showing how many penalties were on each team
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Some schools request clock operators/chain and down box guys and some don't Our problem is we are very short handed because not many people are willing to take the abuse we receive so unfortunately we cannot fill all request from schools. Two thirds of our new guys this year won't be back next year, that is proven over history. We have 16 varsity crews that work local high school games but we just don't have the numbers to fill all the clock,chain and down box assignments. Anybody want to join up?